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I'm officially changing my guess to Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say it's the FW Easter Egg commander guy hiding in the doorway of this picture (ganked from Faeit 212):

I really like the Tartaros pattern. I looks sleeker and more advanced. Granted, I did just put in an order for 20 of the Cataphractii. The Tartaros doesn't have the right look for my IW's. Granted, this one is looking like it could substitute with the heavier bolts and the segmented loin cloth so maybe I'll pick some of these up and grab some of the standard tataros weapon kits.

The loincloth looks like the Warpsmith from the 40k Chaos marines so I think it's a tech marine.

I am leaning towards either a Techmarine or something AdMech with a power ax/tool thingy.

I refuse to be swayed by your very logical and compelling argument.

Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff

I'm guessing Deathshroud hands down.

Bloodwin wrote:The loincloth looks like the Warpsmith from the 40k Chaos marines so I think it's a tech marine.

d-usa wrote:I am leaning towards either a Techmarine or something AdMech with a power ax/tool thingy.

I already said that!

But now it does look more like Deathguard shenanigans...

They had librarians during the Heresy? That was my first guess when I saw the staff/blade/thing, but I though the Empy had the Nicea (Nikea? Thing!) something preventing SM from getting psykers.

 Bobthehero wrote:
They had librarians during the Heresy? That was my first guess when I saw the staff/blade/thing, but I though the Empy had the Nicea (Nikea? Thing!) something preventing SM from getting psykers.

He did ask for them to stop training librarians just before the heresy started (Thousand Sons and Prospero Burns). However, there were still some librarians that had been trained that were still a part of their legions, but had their powers restricted following the Council of Nicea. Wiki, for what it's worth...

Gamewise: The Horus Heresy Betrayal books allows you to make a librarian from a Legion Centurion.

 kronk wrote:
I refuse to be swayed by your very logical and compelling argument.

Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff

Isn't this book set at the first Istvaan? Then there are no librarians, as they're still outlawed.

 Salacious Greed wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I refuse to be swayed by your very logical and compelling argument.

Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff

Isn't this book set at the first Istvaan? Then there are no librarians, as they're still outlawed.

And yet that very book (Horus Heresy: Betrayal) allows you to make them...

I don't think the Emperor's Children and the Sons of Horus particularly care a great deal about Nikaea at that point...

Of course, the World Eaters and Death Guard killed off all of their libbies if I remember right.

I'd put money on any World Eater that showed psychic tendencies getting put down, true.

However, Typhus, the only named Death Guard in the Chaos book, is a psycher. He could be an anomaly, though. I don't know nearly enough about the Death Guard's past, sadly. Just what little is covered in the Betrayal book.

 kronk wrote:

 Salacious Greed wrote:

 kronk wrote:
I refuse to be swayed by your very logical and compelling argument.

Legion Centurion Librarian in terminator armour and force Staff

Isn't this book set at the first Istvaan? Then there are no librarians, as they're still outlawed.

And yet that very book (Horus Heresy: Betrayal) allows you to make them...

This is good to know - makes me want that book even more now, and I didn't think that was possible!

A lot of Deathguard showed some latent psychic abilites.

Morturg, the loyalist SC for the DG in Betrayal, is a psyker that always has the Endurance spell.

PEOPLE PEOPLE! Betrayal (Isstvan) took place prior to the Council of Nikaea so there were Librarians, otherwise they wouldn't have been put into the Legion list. It's not a Librarian, it's not Abaddon (duuuh! Lol). It is a Deathshroud. I know because the Deathshroud use Tartaros armour (while Abaddon uses Cataphractii hence why it's not him) and that is in fact a Manreaper. I know all of this from Betrayal, chatting to the FW staff at Games Day 2012 and because they had a manreaper piece on display that I also asked about and such.

Hope this settles it all. I for one cannot wait! I'd love to get some Deathshroud.

 crimsonfist832 wrote:
PEOPLE PEOPLE! Betrayal (Isstvan) took place prior to the Council of Nikaea.

This is 100% incorrect. Prospero was destroyed after the Council of Nikae, but before the betrayal at Istivaan III.

The Librarians are in the Betrayal book because, even though they were no longer allowed to train new Librarians, many Legions still had them in their ranks. They were restricted by the edicts of the Council of Nikae, though.

 kronk wrote:

 crimsonfist832 wrote:
PEOPLE PEOPLE! Betrayal (Isstvan) took place prior to the Council of Nikaea.

This is 100% incorrect. Prospero was destroyed after the Council of Nikae, but before the betrayal at Istivaan III.

The Librarians are in the Betrayal book because, even though they were no longer allowed to train new Librarians, many Legions still had them in their ranks. They were restricted by the edicts of the Council of Nikae, though.

I apologise entirely then. I thought the Isstvan campaigns took place prior to Nikaea though? Oh well, yes I shall detract that part of my post, just ignore the strange ranting person people. Ignore..... at your own peril!

I suppose "Standard Bearer" is out of the question?

@Crimsonfist832

The short answer (and my interpretation) is:

1. The Emperor passed his judgement at Nikae.
2, The Thousand Sons (with Magnus) went back to Prospero to pout.
3. Magnus saw the coming of the heresy and tried to warn the Emperor using methods that the Emperor JUST TOLD HIM not to use (and caused a lot of issues that I won't spoil here).
4. Russ was sent to capture Magnus.
5. Horus, aware of how Magnus could foil his Coop, had planted the seed in Russ' mind that perhaps Magnus and his psycher marines should be taken out, as they are a threat, playing on Russ' distrust of psychers.
6. Russ did his thing at Prospero
7. Istivaan III.

Unfortunately, some of the books (chief among them Outcast Dead) aren't that consistent with the timeline of 3-7, much to everyone's annoyance. However, I'm not the best source of 30k or 40k Lore, and I'll freely admit that I can be wrong about the points above.

Breotan wrote:I suppose "Standard Bearer" is out of the question?

Yes, sorry to disappoint. That weapon is obviously a Manreaper, the Tartaros TDA suits the unit as does that chest vent (which is similar to that on the Death Guard Contemptor). You could always make your own of course and there is that Mk IV standard bearer as well.

kronk wrote:@Crimsonfist832

The short answer (and my interpretation) is:

1. The Emperor passed his judgement at Nikae.
2, The Thousand Sons (with Magnus) went back to Prospero to pout.
3. Magnus saw the coming of the heresy and tried to warn the Emperor using methods that the Emperor JUST TOLD HIM not to use (and caused a lot of issues that I won't spoil here).
4. Russ was sent to capture Magnus.
5. Horus, aware of how Magnus could foil his Coop, had planted the seed in Russ' mind that perhaps Magnus and his psycher marines should be taken out, as they are a threat, playing on Russ' distrust of psychers.
6. Russ did his thing at Prospero
7. Istivaan III.

Unfortunately, some of the books (chief among them Outcast Dead) aren't that consistent with the timeline of 3-7, much to everyone's annoyance. However, I'm not the best source of 30k or 40k Lore, and I'll freely admit that I can be wrong about the points above.

I believe you. I have no reason to believe otherwise and don't have a book at hand to be able to get a timeline.

 Breotan wrote:
I suppose "Standard Bearer" is out of the question?

nope its a tarteros termi with pre heresy legion boarding mop and power bucket !

 CURNOW wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I suppose "Standard Bearer" is out of the question?

nope its a tarteros termi with pre heresy legion boarding mop and power bucket !

If it isn't, it should be!

 CURNOW wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I suppose "Standard Bearer" is out of the question?

nope its a tarteros termi with pre heresy legion boarding mop and power bucket !

As good a theory as any so far.

 crimsonfist832 wrote:
I know all of this from Betrayal, chatting to the FW staff at Games Day 2012 and because they had a manreaper piece on display that I also asked about and such.

If it really is a deathshroud than I am a little disappointed as it really is not ornate enough to resemble the bodyguards of a Primarch. Perhaps pictures of the upper part will change my oppinion.

well, neither the Death Guard nor the Iron Hands legions where big on ornamentation, The Santar, Ferrus Manus' personal guard wore completely unadorned, if heavily agumented, suits of Terminator armor. Who know's, maybe FW went for the minimalistic approach with these?

Yea from my understanding the death guard were not big on ornamentation, according to BL anyway.

 STC_LogisEngine wrote:
well, neither the Death Guard nor the Iron Hands legions where big on ornamentation, The Santar, Ferrus Manus' personal guard wore completely unadorned, if heavily agumented, suits of Terminator armor. Who know's, maybe FW went for the minimalistic approach with these?

Ok, if this is the case then its fine by me. I just want to see more finesse models which are not Primarchs. Looking forward to Abaddon ...

I'd add a vote for Deathshroud, the vent and pipes are very Death Guard, you just need to see the the Death Guard Contemtptor to see the similar look.