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Got the book, have to say, I love those Chosens.

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HQ -
Abaddon - 265
Sorcerer (Telepathy) - Lv. 2, Force Axe - 85

Troops-
Chosenx8 - PG x3, LCx1, Power Axe x1, MoK - 240
Chosenx8 - PG x3, LCx1, Power Axe x1, MoK - 240
Chosenx8 - PG x3, LCx1, Power Axe x1, MoK - 240
Chosenx8 - Flamerx3, ACx1, Power Axe x1, MoK - 200

Heavy Support -
Havoks x5 - ML with Flack - 175
Havoks x5 - ML with Flack - 175
Obliterator x3 - MoN - 228

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47 guys, 8 MLs with Flack, 3 Obliterators, 3 LCs, 1 AC, 9 PG and 3 Flamers.
Chosens will also beat most average melee units in melee, even when charged thanks to counter attack. They have 4 attacks each when counter attacking and 5 when they charge.
Would love an aegis line, not sure what I get rid off for it though.

This is VERY similar to an army I was considering, once/if I get enough models to use as Chosen! We think a lot alike .. right down to the 85 pt Sorc with PML 2 and Telepathy (it's the jam right? lol), the MoN Obliterators, and the Gear for the first 3 Chosen Squads .. minus the MoK, b/c I hadn't really considered it. Excellent idea though and definitely the most useful one for them. Challenging/Challenged Axe Champs will rock and a nice easy roll on the boons table.

Flamers and Autocannon are nice too, i like that .. definitely more versatile now than they used to be with snapfire rules on the AC (even LCs for that matter), if you need to be on the move.

Abaddon is badass as hell now, and helps with those Gets Hot rolls against SMs! Makes plasma spam (my favorite), that much better!

Hadn't really considered the Havocs (was thinking more Oblits, 6+ or so), although that's mostly b/c I'm not used to fielding them, and have a lot of Oblits already ;P Skyfire will certainly help, good thinking, again.

I almost feel like adding something fast might do this army some good, like Warp Talons of Slaanesh for instance .. 5+ invuln, Dual Lightning Claws, Fear, I5, and plenty of attacks. Can fit 7 in for roughly the same cost as one Chosen Squads. Already have plenty of AP 2 stuff, so the LCs would be enough, and they can kill a lot before they kill you.

However, Raptors may be enough to accomplish this anyway, for less points/more models and customization. Bikers are nice and cheap now too, as another person on here pointed out .. seemingly very good in the new edition.

But honestly, the List is pretty rock solid imo mate .. Lots of nice Ranged variety, covering all distances, very shooty (especially against SMs) yet more than good enough CC-wise, takes a lot into account and very tough! .. A+

EDIT: The only concern I have is lack of LD/Fearless on Chosen and Havocs. May not be big deal, especially since Abaddon and the Sorc will help whichever unit they join in this aspect .. however, Icon of Vengeance or Vets of the Long War might be worth it on the others .. or at the very least whichever unit you decide to take point with. Anyway, good luck!

I think i would do slaanesh chosen instead, with the icon of excess, remember the icon gives you 1 extra combat result, and ini 5 for sweeping, and dont forget feel no pain, i would allso make them veterans so they are ld10. I would allso make the sorc mastery lvl 3 for more chances for the good stuff on telepathy list. The obliterators would need veterans allso, them beeing ld 8 is hard, unless you plan to run your sorc or something with them offcourse


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If you run into some armor 14 you might struggle, with only the obliterators as the real threat

Aren't power axes a bit risky for challenges? Power sword armed enemy has a chance to kill you before you can act.

I was about to say that it looks really solid, then I realised you have no rhinos for the Chosen. Whilst you have a lot of firepower i'd still be concerned about getting the chosen into position.

I'd consider swapping the 3rd plasma gun in each unit to a meltagun in case you encouter av 13/14, and as Crimson mentioned I too am on the fence regarding power axes for challenges when you only have a 3+ save.

After saying all that though, I like the army, and Abaddon will push in everyone's faces

RonCrazy wrote:
I think i would do slaanesh chosen instead, with the icon of excess, remember the icon gives you 1 extra combat result, and ini 5 for sweeping, and dont forget feel no pain, i would allso make them veterans so they are ld10. I would allso make the sorc mastery lvl 3 for more chances for the good stuff on telepathy list. The obliterators would need veterans allso, them beeing ld 8 is hard, unless you plan to run your sorc or something with them offcourse


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If you run into some armor 14 you might struggle, with only the obliterators as the real threat

It may be a 'better' choice getting FNP+I5, but MoK is definitely the cheaper one, and this obviously isn't a CC oriented Army outside of whichever two squads are already getting Abaddon and the Sorc .. but those 2 squads will be using the two HQs Initiative and LD already, as I mentioned. The extra attacks for support would suit them better, plus I5 doesn't mean all that much with chainswords. Vets, Vengeance, or even the MoS/Excess wouldn't be a bad idea for one of the other two, if the points can be found.

With an army like this one too, you could practically just glance a LR to death pretty easy lol. On top of that, as long as the Oblits follow closely behind one of the squads, or even deepstrikes, any AV14 wouldn't be too terrible. The 5 toughness makes them a LOT harder to kill, due to no ID under S10 .. making them really take advantage of their two wounds!

PML 3 would be great, but overkill .. Psychic Shriek is already an unbelievably useful ability against models in cover, anything else is just gravy ;P But all of the abilities would fit this army very well, even the ones that give fearless/regroup, and terrify. Invisibility is amazing and Hallucination can really screw an enemy over. Cannot go wrong in Telepathy, I love it.

Why is 8 Ld a bad thing on Obliterators? They're already Fearless being Daemons..

 Crimson wrote:
Aren't power axes a bit risky for challenges? Power sword armed enemy has a chance to kill you before you can act.

I kind of agree, I would have fielded Swords or Axes myself tho .. against a lot of champs you'd be fighting at same Init and it's an almost garunteed win if not a draw for cheaper points than a PF. Against real threats like HQs or something that fights at Initiative + AP3 the Sorc or Abaddon should be doing all the fighting in challenges. On top of which .. What happens against a Terminator or Artificer Champ? You could say that in that situation the PS would be equally as useless. The Axe does win out in this situation imo, because it compensates for what would be lacking moreso.

 Caranthir987 wrote:
I was about to say that it looks really solid, then I realised you have no rhinos for the Chosen. Whilst you have a lot of firepower i'd still be concerned about getting the chosen into position.

I'd consider swapping the 3rd plasma gun in each unit to a meltagun in case you encouter av 13/14, and as Crimson mentioned I too am on the fence regarding power axes for challenges when you only have a 3+ save.

After saying all that though, I like the army, and Abaddon will push in everyone's faces

I partially agree here too .. but honestly, running in power armor is enough a lot of the time. It's also why I suggested something like a fast attacker to make up for the speed to tie up, contest, or even kill clutch units.

Melta/Plasma/LC mix is a bad idea imo ;/ The Las can already take care of a lot, and as I mentioned above there's more than enough firepower elsewhere. However, this may just be due to my love for plasma here haha.


I stand by my opinion that this is a great army, and can't wait to make one just like it ;D New Codex and Chosen are the jam!

Going to be honest with you mate, running 35+ point models up the field with no vehicle or protection is a bad idea. Any army with some Ap 3 long range shooting is just going to paste your incredibly expensive guys that still die like a tactical marine to shooting.

Rhinos are still the best 35 points you can spend. I would do whatever you have to, to free up the points.

Not sure on points but id go with more boots on the ground, see below

HQ -
Abaddon - 265
Sorcerer (Telepathy) - Lv. 2, Force Axe - 85

Troops-
CSM x10, x2 plasma guns, Power axe, MoK - ???
CSM x10, x2 plasma guns, Power axe, MoK - ???
CSM x10, x2 plasma guns, Power axe, MoK - ???
Chosen x10 - Flamerx3, , Power Axe x2 MoK - ???

Heavy Support -
Havoks x5 - ML with Flack - 175
Obliterator x2 - MoN - 152
Obliterator x2 - MoN - 152

Agis Defence Line + quad gun 100

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Maybe take out the wizard to get rhinos?

Beerfiend wrote:

Why is 8 Ld a bad thing on Obliterators? They're already Fearless being Daemons..

The Daemon Special Rule does not confer the Fearless special rule. They get a 5+ invuln and the Fear special rule, not fearless. The Chaos Daemon codex gives Fearless and Eternal Warrior to all daemons, but not the units with Daemon in the CSM codex.

Unless I missed something, which I'd be extremely happy to have done.

 Caranthir987 wrote:
I was about to say that it looks really solid, then I realised you have no rhinos for the Chosen. Whilst you have a lot of firepower i'd still be concerned about getting the chosen into position.

I'd consider swapping the 3rd plasma gun in each unit to a meltagun in case you encouter av 13/14, and as Crimson mentioned I too am on the fence regarding power axes for challenges when you only have a 3+ save.

After saying all that though, I like the army, and Abaddon will push in everyone's faces

I'm moving away from rhinos on my lists actually, they always concede the first blood point to the enemy (unless he had rhinos as well and you go first), however I agree you need some way to move Abaddon around which would be attaching him to a DS unit or paying a LR

Mechanized version is work in progress, not very hard to take out a few things for Rhinos, probably from cutting the LCs they wont be using.
With Rhinos I'd most likely switch Predators and Obliterators for 2 Predators and 1 Vindicator. As cool as the new daemon engines look, Preds and Vindi has front 13 and they are cheaper.
Then maybe drop a Chosen squad down to 5 with a LC and get a Aegis with a quad gun so I have some kind of AA. Or drop a chosen squad for a Helldrake.

On the lack of melta in the original, droping a chosen squad and 1 Obliterator can probably get me 2 bike squad with 2 meltas each.

And if you are wondering why I havent update anything, my friend is borrowing my book to read.