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So I am going for uber cheese and competitiveness but please comment if I am doing it wrong.

Chaos Lord - 150 pts
Bike
Black mace
MON
volw

4x 7 plague marine - 198 pts
2x plasma gun

5x bikes - 165 pts
2x melta
meltabomb
MON

3x 5 havocs - 130 pts
4x autocannon
MON

So thats 8 plasma guns, 2 melta and 12 autocannons, everyone is T5, I have 1 mini deathstar unit that will hit hard with the lord. 4 scoring units thats are hard to move and lots of support fire.

Problem is you're gonna get screwed by anything with a power weapon (AP3) thats I4 or 5. Remember plague marines are I3. Your lord, despite his cheese weapon, will find it difficult facing say a warboss in a challenge, id put my money straight on the warboss! I dont think this list can counter flyers in any way either, nor can it deal with A14 effectively, autocannons are good at killing trukks and to a stretch killing rhinos.

 Orkaswampa wrote:
Problem is you're gonna get screwed by anything with a power weapon (AP3) thats I4 or 5. Remember plague marines are I3. Your lord, despite his cheese weapon, will find it difficult facing say a warboss in a challenge, id put my money straight on the warboss! I dont think this list can counter flyers in any way either, nor can it deal with A14 effectively, autocannons are good at killing trukks and to a stretch killing rhinos.

For 130 points 4 autocannons is pretty good. Also everyone is T5 and the Bikes T6, I don't think I am scared of the S8 power claws because I would kill the warboos way before he kills me, S4 ap4 I4 demon weapon attacks + his attacks.

Also I doubt anyone will have more than 1 Av14 tank to deal with and I do ahve 2 meltaguns for that purpous and they are on T6 bikes, in 1 turn I should be within melta range unless his staying away from me which is fine to me.

Anti flyer, I have 32 - 40 S7 shots I think I can take down 1-2 flyers, also arn't every army haivng trouble dealing with flyers its not just the chaos. My purifers Have like 48 S7 and 12 S8 shots but thats in a 1750 list.

I know the chaos list is not gonna be better than the necrons or GK but can you suggest something that can hurt the flyers? and don't say flakk because thats a waste of points and the dragon is rubbish.

ork Warbosses are str5, so str10 with a claw

how are you planning to hold objectives, with only two squads of 7 troops?

I'd scrap the MoN on the havoks - anything that's in range of them is going to be high strength. Might be worth getting them the fearless banner instead, since they're tiny squads.

I think you've got too few models.

I think it's competitive, if you give those PMs some rhinos. Footsloggin, even in 6th, is a recipe for IG insta-wins. Just drop a few bikes to pay for them.

At the end of the day, its a solid list, but it can't cope with hordes or flyers (Chaos are good at killing flyers currently). Also a tyranid warrior with a bonesword is just going to flop your captain and dance on him with the instant death it gives, so there's another problem - this model count is auto-lose vs nids.

 buddha wrote:
I think it's competitive, if you give those PMs some rhinos. Footsloggin, even in 6th, is a recipe for IG insta-wins. Just drop a few bikes to pay for them.

Chaos Lord - 150 pts
Bike
Black mace
MON
volw

4x 5 plague marine - 185 pts
2x plasma gun
Rhino

10x Cultists - 55 pts
1x Heavy stubber

5x bikes - 165 pts
2x melta
meltabomb
MON

3x 5 havocs - 130 pts
4x autocannon
MON

S4 on the lord doesnt matter thanks to fleshbane on the black mace, he wounds on a 2+ regardless of toughness.

I'm not sure if this is just me but.... I've been seeing some lists around with their lords without an invul sv... not sure if maybe the times are changing for where you no longer need an invul save but imho you should at least pay him the 5+ so that it can stand a chance against anything.

Also, the warbosses usually go on termie armor so your lord without an invul sv would get smashed to death :|

 Lord Yayula wrote:
I'm not sure if this is just me but.... I've been seeing some lists around with their lords without an invul sv... not sure if maybe the times are changing for where you no longer need an invul save but imho you should at least pay him the 5+ so that it can stand a chance against anything.

Also, the warbosses usually go on termie armor so your lord without an invul sv would get smashed to death :|

I don't know if meta has changed but I have never used a warboss in my ork list tis always been big mek, maybe some lists involve mega armoured warbosses, but I seem more warboss on bikes than megarmour.

1, I am not stupid to charge a mega amrour warboss and also anything less than 4+ = dead and anything with 3+ stands little chance with the number of attacks i get.

Lastly Inv save is a good idea I might just change my list a bit:

Chaos Lord - 150 pts
Bike
Black mace
MON
dark glory


4x 5 plague marine - 185 pts
2x plasma gun
Rhino

10x Cultists - 50 pts

5x bikes - 160 pts
2x melta

MON

3x 5 havocs - 130 pts
4x autocannon
MON