Author |
Message |
 |
|
 |
Advert
|
Forum adverts like this one are shown to any user who is not logged in. Join us by filling out a tiny 3 field form and you will get your own, free, dakka user account which gives a good range of benefits to you:
- No adverts like this in the forums anymore.
- Times and dates in your local timezone.
- Full tracking of what you have read so you can skip to your first unread post, easily see what has changed since you last logged in, and easily see what is new at a glance.
- Email notifications for threads you want to watch closely.
- Being a part of the oldest wargaming community on the net.
If you are already a member then feel free to login now. |
|
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 03:50:57
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
Sickening to think that he only has to suffer 21 years of this type of confinement....
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/10/world/europe/norway-killer-breivik-complains-about-prison.html
Anders Behring Breivik would like butter, a new pen, more comfortable handcuffs and a view.
Mr. Breivik, the Norwegian extremist convicted of the coldly premeditated murders of 77 people in 2011, is serving a 21-year sentence in a maximum-security prison outside Oslo. He is not satisfied with the accommodations, though: his three-cell suite with a television and exercise equipment, lodgings commensurate with Norway’s typically humane treatment of its convicts.
Addressing penal officials in a 27-page letter obtained by the Norwegian newspaper Verdens Gang and confirmed by his lawyer, Mr. Breivik bemoaned the “800” strip searches he has undergone, for instance. Not one of them has shown him to be holding an object “between the buttocks,” he noted.
He would enjoy more social interaction, according to the letter, which says he is alone with his thoughts for “23 hours and 55 minutes” on a typical day and speaks only with his guards.
“Such treatment isn’t human,” said a lawyer for Mr. Breivik, Tord Jordet, according to Agence France-Presse.
Mr. Breivik is denied a computer or Internet access to prevent him from spreading his ideology of racial hatred, officials have said.
He expressed many other concerns in his letter, many of them prosaic. He must be supervised while shaving and brushing his teeth, he complained, and because of the “mental strain” this causes he is forced to limit those activities to once a week. Nor is he permitted to keep hydrating skin cream in his quarters, which are drab and without a view, he wrote. Switches for his lights and television are outside his suite of cells, obliging him to summon guards to turn them on and off.
Mr. Breivik dislikes handcuffs, too, because the steel edges cut into his wrists, and he dreads putting them on for each trip outside his cell, Verdens Gang reported. Without a thermos, his coffee frequently goes cold, according to news media reports.
Furthermore, he wrote, his phone calls and mail are unfairly censored. “His freedom of speech is being violated,” Mr. Jordet said.
Only correspondence from “New Testament Christians and other people who do not like me” has reached him in recent months, Mr. Breivik wrote.
Letters aside, Mr. Breivik would like to pursue his literary ambitions while in prison, he said, but those aspirations are being thwarted by the stab-resistant safety pen he has been provided, “a nightmare of a tool” that causes his hand to cramp. The pen is “an almost indescribable manifestation of sadism,” he wrote, though presumably it did not prevent him from composing his lengthy letter of complaint.
A prison spokeswoman said Mr. Breivik was given an electric typewriter on Friday. It was not given in response to Mr. Breivik’s letter, the spokeswoman said, according to The Associated Press.
“I highly doubt that there are worse detention facilities in Norway,” Mr. Breivik wrote.
Mr. Breivik’s 21-year sentence is the country’s maximum, and he is considered the most heinous offender in modern Scandinavian history.
Mr. Breivik confessed to setting off bombs in downtown Oslo in July 2011 before shooting dozens of people at a summer youth camp run by the Labor Party. He said the killings were intended to protect Norway from Muslims and multiculturalism.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 04:02:13
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
|
Whatever happened to the interviews to be his paid for best friend?
|
Avatar 720 wrote:You see, to Auston, everyone is a Death Star; there's only one way you can take it and that's through a small gap at the back.
Come check out my Blood Angels,Crimson Fists, and coming soon Eldar
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391013.page
I have conceded that the Eldar page I started in P&M is their legitimate home. Free Candy! Updated 10/19.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/391553.page
Powder Burns wrote:what they need to make is a fullsize leatherman, like 14" long folded, with a bone saw, notches for bowstring, signaling flare, electrical hand crank generator, bolt cutters.. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 04:18:47
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
|
It's stupid the way they're treating him. They should either try to rehabilitate him, let him have more human contact and maybe have a stupid little job he can do or they should execute him.
All they're doing here is driving a crazy person even crazier, and then letting him out in 21 years.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 04:23:41
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
|
er... is this a ploy for sympathy?
His life is over... deal with it.
|
Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 04:30:48
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Douglas Bader
|
LoneLictor wrote:All they're doing here is driving a crazy person even crazier, and then letting him out in 21 years.
That's assuming they don't judge him insane at the end of it and keep him locked away for life, which is a pretty unlikely scenario.
The real problem here is that anyone is still paying attention to him. Let him write all he wants, and the media should just ignore it entirely. Never publish another story on him, never mention his name, just let him rot away in prison ignored and forgotten. In other words, the perfect hell for someone like him.
|
There is no such thing as a hobby without politics. "Leave politics at the door" is itself a political statement, an endorsement of the status quo and an attempt to silence dissenting voices. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 04:31:48
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
[DCM]
GW Public Relations Manager (Privateer Press Mole)
|
This discussion will ultimately become;
Do you imprison someone to punish them for actions
or
Do you imprison someone to keep them from harming society
If neuroscience continues developing at its current pace and forcing us to discuss uncomfortable facts--I think a great majority of group A might be moving to group B.
|
Adepticon TT 2009---Best Heretical Force
Adepticon 2010---Best Appearance Warhammer Fantasy Warbands
Adepticon 2011---Best Team Display
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 04:51:37
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Paramount Plague Censer Bearer
|
Or option C, do you reform prisons to rehabilitate the people inside them?
|
Meet Arkova.
or discover the game you always wanted to:
RoTC. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 04:52:21
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
Kamloops, BC
|
LoneLictor wrote:It's stupid the way they're treating him. They should either try to rehabilitate him, let him have more human contact and maybe have a stupid little job he can do or they should execute him.
All they're doing here is driving a crazy person even crazier, and then letting him out in 21 years.
Or they'll just keep extending his sentence.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 04:56:12
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
5th God of Chaos! (Ho-hum)
Curb stomping in the Eye of Terror!
|
Cheesecat wrote: LoneLictor wrote:It's stupid the way they're treating him. They should either try to rehabilitate him, let him have more human contact and maybe have a stupid little job he can do or they should execute him.
All they're doing here is driving a crazy person even crazier, and then letting him out in 21 years.
Or they'll just keep extending his sentence.
He needs some lead poisoning...
|
Live Ork, Be Ork. or D'Ork!
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 05:01:03
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Fixture of Dakka
Kamloops, BC
|
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/11/10 05:04:55
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 05:04:06
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Last Remaining Whole C'Tan
|
No internet for 21 years? I'd pay for the bullets.
|
lord_blackfang wrote:Respect to the guy who subscribed just to post a massive ASCII dong in the chat and immediately get banned.
Flinty wrote:The benefit of slate is that its.actually a.rock with rock like properties. The downside is that it's a rock |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 07:25:58
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Depraved Slaanesh Chaos Lord
|
I was coming in here all prepared to point out that the conditions in some US prisons could be considered cruel and unusual and there may be something to the complaints once we push past the demagoguery.
But upon starting the article I see that it's a prison in Norway: so feth this guy.
He should spend some time in Pelican Bay and see how that works out for him.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 07:43:13
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
|
Norway's prisons are well known for the conditions being easy, comparable with "open" prisons in other countries.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 09:08:15
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Frenzied Berserker Terminator
|
Ouze wrote:No internet for 21 years? I'd pay for the bullets.
That's similar to what the Chinese do - they shoot the guy and force the family to pay for the bullets, it's genius!
About Norway: this must work, considering how low the crime rate is. Apart from Breivik and the church burning of the early 90s, what crimes have you heard about from Norway? Then think of the crimes you hear about from the States, the UK, etc.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 09:20:57
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
|
Sod Pelican Bay, stick him in with GenPop in a Manila prison and see if he is still breathing after 21 minutes, let alone 21 years.....
A three room 'suite', TV, a fething GYM!?! Screw this guy, his cell sounds nicer than my flat......
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 10:01:42
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
|
Good lord. He is doing what he did in court. Grandstanding for publicity. Ignore him.
As for talking about the prison conditions, lets compare murder rates in the US to Norway and then say whos system works best...
|
insaniak wrote:Sometimes, Exterminatus is the only option.
And sometimes, it's just a case of too much scotch combined with too many buttons... |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 10:03:29
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Hallowed Canoness
|
I'd like to complain about the conditions he's being kept in as well. For one his hand cuffs aren't on constantly, two he has a pen, three that his food doesn't consist of the blandest nutrient rich "substance" man can produce that is actually considered edible, and fourth that he can see the light of day at all much less complain about a decent view.
But then again I'd much rather they shoot him and be done with it. Or feed him to something vicious and carnivorous that lives in Norway, I have no idea what type of vicious meat eating animal lives in Norway, but I can only assume there's something there. A type of bear perhaps?
|
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
DR:90-SG+M+B+I+Pw40k12+ID+++A+++/are/WD-R+++T(S)DM+ |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 10:19:58
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Powerful Pegasus Knight
|
LoneLictor wrote:All they're doing here is driving a crazy person even crazier, and then letting him out in 21 years.
21 years is not his sentence. The term can be extended to as long as the authorities deem him a threat to society. Anders Behring Breivik will never be released from prison.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 10:31:56
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Contagious Dreadnought of Nurgle
|
KalashnikovMarine wrote:I'd like to complain about the conditions he's being kept in as well. For one his hand cuffs aren't on constantly, two he has a pen, three that his food doesn't consist of the blandest nutrient rich "substance" man can produce that is actually considered edible, and fourth that he can see the light of day at all much less complain about a decent view.
But then again I'd much rather they shoot him and be done with it. Or feed him to something vicious and carnivorous that lives in Norway, I have no idea what type of vicious meat eating animal lives in Norway, but I can only assume there's something there. A type of bear perhaps?
Sadly I believe that the only slightly vicious animal in Norway is the Moose. But on the other hand they could always tie Brevik to a pole, naked, during the rutting season.....
That would appease all parties. Breivik would get the fresh air and view that he so craves, and the public would most likely see that bastard impaled on the end of a horny Bull Moose... Justice is done.
|
This message was edited 1 time. Last update was at 2012/11/10 10:33:43
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 10:36:42
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Hallowed Canoness
|
Moose are scary as hell, least the ones up north. All the dog sledders I know up in Alaska would much rather run into a bear then a moose, then bear's less likely to kill you and your team.
|
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
SoB, IG, SM, SW, Nec, Cus, Tau, FoW Germans, Team Yankee Marines, Battletech Clan Wolf, Mercs
DR:90-SG+M+B+I+Pw40k12+ID+++A+++/are/WD-R+++T(S)DM+ |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 10:42:45
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Lord Commander in a Plush Chair
|
Only correspondence from “New Testament Christians and other people who do not like me” has reached him in recent months, Mr. Breivik wrote.
He seems to assume that there's much more mail to be had. What does he expect, fanmail?
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 10:53:14
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Bryan Ansell
|
Howard A Treesong wrote:Only correspondence from “New Testament Christians and other people who do not like me” has reached him in recent months, Mr. Breivik wrote.
He seems to assume that there's much more mail to be had. What does he expect, fanmail?
He probably thinks his mail is being held up and that his 'supporters' are being refused access. Blame the victim and all that jazz.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 12:05:21
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
[MOD]
Anti-piracy Officer
Somewhere in south-central England.
|
ExNoctemNacimur wrote: Ouze wrote:No internet for 21 years? I'd pay for the bullets.
That's similar to what the Chinese do - they shoot the guy and force the family to pay for the bullets, it's genius!
About Norway: this must work, considering how low the crime rate is. Apart from Breivik and the church burning of the early 90s, what crimes have you heard about from Norway? Then think of the crimes you hear about from the States, the UK, etc.
Norway's low crime rate "works" because their society and economy is structured towards the elimination of poverty and ignorance through the redistribution of wealth into universal, high quality social services like health and education.
Poverty and exclusion are the main drivers of crime. Reduce them and you reduce crime. The severity of punishment is more or less irrelevant in the process.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 12:21:26
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Frenzied Berserker Terminator
|
Not necessarily. Dubai, the city in which I live in, has a very low crime rate even though there is quite a bit of poverty.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 13:06:14
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Imperial Admiral
|
I think we solve the homeless problem in America by shipping them all over to commit crimes in Norway. Commit some sort of felony and you'll get a three-room suite, guys.
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 13:15:30
Subject: Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Highlord with a Blackstone Fortress
Adrift within the vortex of my imagination.
|
ENOZONE wrote:Or option C, do you reform prisons to rehabilitate the people inside them?
To be fair Norway lead the world in this, by a considerable margion, but you just can't reach everyone.
|
n'oublie jamais - It appears I now have to highlight this again.
It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. By the juice of the brew my thoughts aquire speed, my mind becomes strained, the strain becomes a warning. It is by tea alone I set my mind in motion. |
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 13:19:04
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Secret Force Behind the Rise of the Tau
USA
|
Seaward wrote:I think we solve the homeless problem in America by shipping them all over to commit crimes in Norway. Commit some sort of felony and you'll get a three-room suite, guys.
Homeless actually do that in the US you know. Not go to Norway, but they'll commit petty crimes so they can spend the winter at a detention facility.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 13:31:32
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
LordofHats wrote: Seaward wrote:I think we solve the homeless problem in America by shipping them all over to commit crimes in Norway. Commit some sort of felony and you'll get a three-room suite, guys.
Homeless actually do that in the US you know. Not go to Norway, but they'll commit petty crimes so they can spend the winter at a detention facility.
An old 2010 but relevant article on this, but from the British perspective:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/dec/23/homeless-committing-crimes-for-shelter
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 13:53:50
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Decrepit Dakkanaut
|
I'm all for prisoner reform, in the case of a drug addict committing burglary or a fraudulent person serving time and not doing things again. I believe criminals in a lot of circumstances can be made into good and productive citizens. This is a different sort of case, these crimes go beyond the 'repairable'.
In this case, put the fether down and be done with it, he's as close to evil as we can get, take him outside, put a bullet in him, incinerate the remains and scatter them to the four winds. Done and done.
|
|
|
 |
 |
![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2012/11/10 15:27:54
Subject: Re:Mass Murderer Complains of Prison Conditions
|
 |
Frenzied Berserker Terminator
|
About the homeless thing:
There's a book called Stone Cold by some author who wrote Skellig. It wasn't a great book, but it had a really powerful bit at the end where it said that
|
|
 |
 |
|