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 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
About the homeless thing:

There's a book called Stone Cold by some author who wrote Skellig. It wasn't a great book, but it had a really powerful bit at the end where it said that

Spoiler:

the mass murderer would get 3 square meals a day and shelter whilst the protagonist, whose homeless, would continue to struggle.

A bit simplistic.

If you are saying that the murderer has it better then you are way off the mark. Unless the individual likes being incarcerated (which is the case with some prisoners/types of people).

 LordofHats wrote:

Homeless actually do that in the US you know. Not go to Norway, but they'll commit petty crimes so they can spend the winter at a detention facility.

Indeed, and it's tragic. Norway prisons simply sound a lot nicer than bunking with Bubba for the winter chill.

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I'm all for prisoner reform, in the case of a drug addict committing burglary or a fraudulent person serving time and not doing things again. I believe criminals in a lot of circumstances can be made into good and productive citizens. This is a different sort of case, these crimes go beyond the 'repairable'.


In this case, put the fether down and be done with it, he's as close to evil as we can get, take him outside, put a bullet in him, incinerate the remains and scatter them to the four winds. Done and done.

QFT and not what I expected out of MGS at all.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
I'm all for prisoner reform, in the case of a drug addict committing burglary or a fraudulent person serving time and not doing things again. I believe criminals in a lot of circumstances can be made into good and productive citizens. This is a different sort of case, these crimes go beyond the 'repairable'.


In this case, put the fether down and be done with it, he's as close to evil as we can get, take him outside, put a bullet in him, incinerate the remains and scatter them to the four winds. Done and done.

QFT and not what I expected out of MGS at all.

I'm often bemused that folks expect because I am left wing that I am somehow 'soft' or a 'pinko tree hugger' as Matty would call it. Some of us on the left are fairly authoritarian. I believe in very liberal society protected with fairly draconian legislation. Because I am left wing and for the average working man and woman is precisely why I am for the welfare state and entirely opposed to it being abused by 'scroungers', because I am for freedom of religion and sexuality and gender and belief is why I am opposed to sharia law being afforded any credibility or influence in western civilization.

Status Quo or death!

Actually I would assume he does get a decent amount of fanmail, I know quite a few people who agree with his message though not his methods. *shrug*

Well that and he is the current reigning king of /b/.

Normally I'd say he deserves death, but this man claims to be "suffering"-good. Let him suffer for the rest of his life. Of course, this 'jail' sounds like a damn good bachelor pad (minus the cuffs), and he's actually got it easy. I think he needs what Kalishnikov suggested: barely edible food, a dingy cell, and let the fether spend the rest of his days in misery. He should suffer for as long as possible for what he's done. Death is too good for him, and so is his comfy cell.

I bet they don't get D grade meat in Norway's prisons. It's what we get in the military here.

What's D grade meat?

Smallest. Violin. Ever.

And not even a cool sad tune.

To look at it another way, he clearly hates it in prison so why not leave him there?

his cell is better than any flat/house I've ever lived in, he should be grateful. It could be so much worse.

Nope, the guy should rot.

The gak killed 77 people, got put in a comfortable cell, and he has the nerve to complain?
feth this guy, he should be burned.

If Brevik is unhappy with his living conditions, I'm sure many Norwegians would be happy to provide him with an alternative. One that involves excessive blunt force trauma.

Or he could shut up and be grateful that he gets to live the rest of his life, period, let alone live it in what appear to be actually relatively comfortable surroundings, albeit with severe restrictions on social interaction and travel. But, you know. That's prison.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Moose are scary as hell, least the ones up north. All the dog sledders I know up in Alaska would much rather run into a bear then a moose, then bear's less likely to kill you and your team.

In Maine, i'd see a Moose about every other day, some walking out of the woods into the middle of people working the fields and just stand there looking around. Thing is, there was nothing that could really threaten them like a Grizzley, and the Black Bears wouldn't even think about attacking one. It makes me think that the nature of the predators in the area form the creatures attitude.

 ExNoctemNacimur wrote:
Not necessarily. Dubai, the city in which I live in, has a very low crime rate even though there is quite a bit of poverty.

Dubai's definition of poverty is if you don't have a silver plated Rolls Royce you're poor, so you're hardly talking from a level field.

Relapse wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Moose are scary as hell, least the ones up north. All the dog sledders I know up in Alaska would much rather run into a bear then a moose, then bear's less likely to kill you and your team.

In Maine, i'd see a Moose about every other day, some walking out of the woods into the middle of people working the fields and just stand there looking around. Thing is, there was nothing that could really threaten them like a Grizzley, and the Black Bears wouldn't even think about attacking one. It makes me think that the nature of the predators in the area form the creatures attitude.

Moose cause more death's per year than any other mammals in the world.

Moose are fething dangerous.

KalashnikovMarine wrote:I bet they don't get D grade meat in Norway's prisons. It's what we get in the military here.

Nor "Nutraloaf".

 Kovnik Obama wrote:

Relapse wrote:

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Moose are scary as hell, least the ones up north. All the dog sledders I know up in Alaska would much rather run into a bear then a moose, then bear's less likely to kill you and your team.

In Maine, i'd see a Moose about every other day, some walking out of the woods into the middle of people working the fields and just stand there looking around. Thing is, there was nothing that could really threaten them like a Grizzley, and the Black Bears wouldn't even think about attacking one. It makes me think that the nature of the predators in the area form the creatures attitude.

Moose cause more death's per year than any other mammals in the world.

Moose are fething dangerous.

I'm not denying they are dangerous. I'm just wondering based from my experiences with Moose in Maine if they are less agressive than the Moose in the west and Alaska where there seem to be far more predators that could take one out.

Moose cause more death's per year than any other mammals in the world.

This is due to car crashes, not moose aggresiveness. When you hit a moose you pretty much take the thing out at the ankles, meaning you now have a one ton monstrosity falling right ontop of the cabin of the car. If you look at the aftermath of highspeed moose collisions it looks like someone took a knife and just hacked everything off above the doors.

 Ratbarf wrote:

Moose cause more death's per year than any other mammals in the world.

This is due to car crashes, not moose aggresiveness. When you hit a moose you pretty much take the thing out at the ankles, meaning you now have a one ton monstrosity falling right ontop of the cabin of the car. If you look at the aftermath of highspeed moose collisions it looks like someone took a knife and just hacked everything off above the doors.

I know, I said they're dangerous, not vicious and violent.

Although they can be if you piss them off. Takes major balls to charge at a pickup truck.

Breivik is not a human, why should he be treated like one?

MadEdric wrote:
Breivik is not a human, why should he be treated like one?

not sure if serious but anyway..

Because someone would be upset if they didn't? and Norway doesn't deal with convicts that way.

at least he hasn't become a major celebrity out of this as many British and American killers have. Though this article says different. :/

at least he hasn't become a major celebrity out of this as many British and American killers have. Though this article says different. :/

I wouldn't say he's a major celebrity, but he's definately well known within some circles.

At least people have stopped calling him Captain King.

Why do they publish this?? Attention is all he wants, so give him none!

Ratbarf wrote:

at least he hasn't become a major celebrity out of this as many British and American killers have. Though this article says different. :/

I wouldn't say he's a major celebrity, but he's definately well known within some circles.

At least people have stopped calling him Captain King.

Captain King? Are you serious?

That stupid name doesn't even have internal consistency, and it's only two freakin' words.

He be trolling.

Pah. He deserves it, anyone who is a mass murder should not have rights to complain in prison.

[qoute]Captain King? Are you serious?

That stupid name doesn't even have internal consistency, and it's only two freakin' words.

Everything Breivik has done has been for publicity for his cause, and this is no different. After he was sentenced, the media should have just turned their back on him and ignored him, rather than giving him the attention he wants. Ironically, I assume this article was published as a means to rile up right-wingers in favour of extreme punishments anyway.