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 Darth Bob wrote:

12thRonin wrote:
Except it is?

Not in most areas. No-one in my area liked it, and most threads on HCRealms regarding it were generally negative.

I'm talking about it's getting an expansion and your statement that it appears is dead. Were that the case, I doubt they'd put money toward two expansions for two games.

 Darth Bob wrote:

12thRonin wrote:
Except it is?

Not in most areas. No-one in my area liked it, and most threads on HCRealms regarding it were generally negative.

It doesn't mesh well with normal Heroclix as the ships are pointed against each other and not other sets (Streetfighter has the same problem). Also people don't like the idea of Spiderman beating up the Enterprise. As a stand alone set, it makes for a pretty good game.

And I don't know how well traveled you are to claim it's dead in most areas so I can't refute your claim, but sweeping generalizations aren't usually viewed as intelligent

 Bat Manuel wrote:
Also people don't like the idea of Spiderman beating up the Enterprise.

...Ahh. Just when one of my sig quotes was starting to feel a bit stale

Well, from what I saw when the first set hit, a lot of folks bought them for collecting more than gaming purposes. I kind of figured there would be another set; I think it was a stoke of genius to use the same minis in the board game and in the Tactics game, as it allows Wizkids to "double dip" on the production costs.

And I have to say, I'm with Kyoto on the scale issue. There is simply no economically feasible way to do a game like Tactics or Fleet Captains with models that are even close to scale; the size differences between TOS era ships and TNG ships alone would make that difficult, but you also have to add in the problem of truly huge ships like the Borg cube as well as the fact that many ships had scales that fluctuated significantly over the course of the various shows and movies (the BoP mentioned earlier being just one example). FF had a much easier time of it with X-Wing IMO; doing small fighters to scale with each other is pretty easy as they will all be close in size.

Scale wouldn't be that difficult. Enterprise D and similarly sized ships would roughly fit on their "giant" sized bases. Enterprise A thru C sized ships on the pill shaped bases, Defiant and Bird of prey on the small standard size circular base. Of the ships were then sculpted to fill those bases the scaling would be client enough.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Scale wouldn't be that difficult. Enterprise D and similarly sized ships would roughly fit on their "giant" sized bases. Enterprise A thru C sized ships on the pill shaped bases, Defiant and Bird of prey on the small standard size circular base. Of the ships were then sculpted to fill those bases the scaling would be client enough.

Oh, I agree, it would definitely be possible to do, I'm not arguing that. My point was that I don't think it would be economically feasible to do, given the number of ships that Wizkids apparently wanted to include. Heck, Fleet Captains costs $80+ as it is! Plus, mounting the large TNG ships on "giant" bases would make them pretty unworkable for the boardgame, which means they would only be sold as Heroclix units, thus removing some of the economic advangates of doing parallel development for both Tactics and Fleet Captains.

Well that's their real failure, they shouldn't have tried to do 3 different games with the all the same miniatures. Some ships being smaller for a board game would have been fine because its a bit of a different beast.

 aka_mythos wrote:
Well that's their real failure, they shouldn't have tried to do 3 different games with the all the same miniatures. Some ships being smaller for a board game would have been fine because its a bit of a different beast.

How is that a failure?

The larger "Super Boosters" don't really sell well. They cost too much($25-$40) and people don't want to take a gamble on buying more than one. It stings a lot less to buy a blind booster for $5 and get a ship you already had or didn't want then to do the same for $40.

There is no good business reason to scale them correctly based on heroclix sizes.

Plus you get the box shakers that will check to see if the good stuff is in there or not already.

I'm personallyvery happy with their lack of scale. I plan to buy all the ships and clip off their bases so I can integrate them into my micromachines collection. I guess you could call the scale "1/child's hand size", because these toys are ideal for children (and adults...ahem) who just want a toy space ship. Since my son will grow up with a lot of science fiction in the house, these toys will be ideal for him.

If you really need to work in scale, use the plastic kits. Most of them are in scale, except for the D'Diridex and BoP, depending on which episode you watched recently. You can always use a cardboard box covered in sprue bits as a Borg cube. You can make your own bases out of board or clip them from other sources.

 BobtheInquisitor wrote:
I'm personallyvery happy with their lack of scale. I plan to buy all the ships and clip off their bases so I can integrate them into my micromachines collection. I guess you could call the scale "1/child's hand size", because these toys are ideal for children (and adults...ahem) who just want a toy space ship. Since my son will grow up with a lot of science fiction in the house, these toys will be ideal for him.

That's actually a really good point; now that you mention it, I think the Heroclix Trek ships would stand up quite well to that kind of play.

If you really need to work in scale, use the plastic kits. Most of them are in scale, except for the D'Diridex and BoP, depending on which episode you watched recently. You can always use a cardboard box covered in sprue bits as a Borg cube. You can make your own bases out of board or clip them from other sources.

And actually, most of the major ship kits have been released in a number of different scales in the past, so you could probably get pretty close to having a to-scale collection if you looked around; at the very least, I bet you could get to within +/-20%, which is probably reasonable given the "fuzziness" of scaling in the source material.