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I definitely had a great time this year, and after the GT they announced they will be running it TWICE a year!!!
The next one will be in march sometime(I dont recall the dates they mentioned) . I really like the idea since with family and all I dont get to travel to GT's and this is only an hour from Buffalo NY. Im sure attendance will be much greater at one than the other though since I doubt all of the out of towners that attend will be able to swing it financially to attend twice a year.

but yea just wanted to throw this out there...

So who won? What happened? What was the meta?

Best overall: Andrew Gonyo - about 50 PAGK, 50 guard blob, coteaz, flagellents
2nd overall: Ricky Johnson - Tau/Eldar
3rd overall: Mike Mutscheller - CSM with khorne lord, bikers, oblits, and many marines on foot
Best gemeral: Ben Mohlie - Cron Airforce

Meta was mixed. Overall winners were all foot lists. 76 players total. 2 cron airs. 2-3 flamer spam lists. 6 or so tyranids. 6 or so DE. 6 or so orks. I'd say it was a good mix of just about everything. Only 1 sisters that I saw.

Sounds like a good turnout but i would think running twice a year would detract from the event itself.

Andrew Gonyo... I think this is like his Tenth GT win in the last 4 years..... pretty good player I'd say.

His list was 40 PAGK, Coteaze, guard blob with comisar, power axes/frag and krak grenades, Lord Comisar, something like 24 storm bolter acolytes., and an inquisitor with psycannon/ termi armor

 hyv3mynd wrote:
Best overall: Andrew Gonyo - about 50 PAGK, 50 guard blob, coteaz, flagellents

Interesting. He dropped the razorbacks and picked up a blob squad? I guess you have to make the blob work with a commissar since you can't give them ATSKNF with GKs.

2nd overall: Ricky Johnson - Tau/Eldar

My Canadian nemesis!

That build seems to be popular in the great white north since Nate took it to the Nova Open.
As I have been saying to everyone who is whining about how Tau suck, they are very good if you just throw in an Eldrad.

3rd overall: Mike Mutscheller - CSM with khorne lord, bikers, oblits, and many marines on foot

Good to see Mike finally back up near the top. Those Toledo boys like themselves some chaos and it is interesting to see the marine foot horde do well.

Best gemeral: Ben Mohlie - Cron Airforce

My American nemesis!

Cron air is erratic, but formidable.

Meta was mixed. Overall winners were all foot lists. 76 players total. 2 cron airs. 2-3 flamer spam lists. 6 or so tyranids. 6 or so DE. 6 or so orks. I'd say it was a good mix of just about everything. Only 1 sisters that I saw.

We are seeing a lot of variety of armies in 6th edition. Adding allies really opened up the field. At the 11th company GT there were several SoB players and a very good mix of armies, with only 1 or 2 Cron air. They seem to be dying out, or shifting to other necron builds that do not rely on 10 flyers.

Too bad some tournaments are going to open up to allow forge world and kill the diversity of armies that 6th edition brought.

Remember, Daboyz has 'comp' so the reason you see more variety as minmaxing, repetition and spamming are scored poorly. I would be interested to see the comp scores along with position.

It does sound like a very diverse group of armies which if the goal was accomplished then the comp seemed to have done what it was expected to.

I wish I could have gone. This time of year is hard to travel for me :(

Overall a super fun event with a ton of tough games (I'm Andrew Gonyo), I'll definitely be back. Just to clear up a few points from above:

-Da Boyz normally runs comp, however since 6th was so new they chose not to this year since they'd have no way to know if it was needed. So this event was 100% uncomped.

-My list was 40 Strikes, Coteaz, Psycannon Inquisitor, 50 man blob with axes/krak grenades, pcs, lord commissar, and 24 stormbolter acolytes (obviously I left out some upgrades )

-From BFS I dropped my razorbacks, but I had the blob at BFS as well. BFS was 2k, DA Boyz 1850, so my changes were: remove my foot dreadknight, remove 7 psybacks, drop my 10 purifiers, and then add: 20 strikes, krak grenades on the blob, 24 storm bolter acolytes, I felt a heavier foot build would be better for KP's which were more present at Da Boyz, and for not losing first blood. As it stood I still lost first blood 50% of the time and ended up missing my psybacks or something with a range other than 24 inches, but of course it still worked out pretty well.

-Not my 10th win sadly, number 6 for me! I guess this blind squirrel has just found quite a few nuts somehow

Just some thoughts from reading previous comments, overall I loved Da Boyz, I got to play 6 totally different armies, from all foot nastiness to full mech IG (my first and one of my tougher matches since I have short range and it was hammer and anvil), and all opponents I'd never played before, including Alan and Greg from the ETC team, which is a lot of the reason I travel to GT's, new/old friends and cagey new opponents!

There was 0 comp scoring this year due to the proximity to the release of 6th ed.

So it sounds like the major meta shift is away from transports. More foot troops and non transport vehicles.

That was my NOVA experience as well as transports seem to be deathtraps in 6th and everyone is now playing shooty armies.

nkelsch wrote:
So it sounds like the major meta shift is away from transports. More foot troops and non transport vehicles.

That was my NOVA experience as well as transports seem to be deathtraps in 6th and everyone is now playing shooty armies.

Transports still have a role when they can perform double duty like a psyback provides mixed range additional firepower. I made a strategic decision not to use them at Da Boyz, and even though I won I found myself missing them every game. I ran 7 razorbacks when I won BFS a month earlier, so I think they are still alive and well and have a role to play, they just aren't any longer the no brainer go to choice they used to be

Hi

Glad to hear that Ricky finished second. Unfortunately, I had to drop last minute due to work.

Ricky uses Eldar as his parent list with Tau support, while I run the inverse, but there is a lot of overlap in the lists - Eldrad, War Walkers, Broadsides led by a commander with A.S.S., a small unit or two of jetbikes, and fire warriors.

The only thing that I find lacking is the ability to really take the middle of the table with a strong/numerous unit. I have tried 10 wraithguard, and while durable they don't kill anything significant. Ricky uses 18-20 Guardians with conceal, but that unit just evaporates under concentrated fire.

Who took painting this year? Kyle again?

Cheers,
Nate

nkelsch wrote:
So it sounds like the major meta shift is away from transports. More foot troops and non transport vehicles.

If the meta shift is away from vehicles/transports then the counter meta build is back to vehicles. Everyone is going foot horde with a lot of rapid fire going on with a 24" range and a 6" move then a ranged shooty army that has a lot of vehicles becomes good again.

For example: I played against a lot of foot horde armies the weekend and they had no answer for my war walkers.

Yes Kyle Oman was best appearance. I believe Greg Evers was second. Don't remember who took 3rd appearance.

Congrats Mr. Gonyo.

Glad the event went so well. Sounds like an awesome time. I wish I could have made it.

 hyv3mynd wrote:
Yes Kyle Oman was best appearance. I believe Greg Evers was second. Don't remember who took 3rd appearance.

Marcus Kim got 3rd in appearance with his Blood Angles.


Had a great time at the event, look forward to comming back.

Target wrote:
... all opponents I'd never played before, including Alan and Greg from the ETC team, which is a lot of the reason I travel to GT's, new/old friends and cagey new opponents!

Congratulations, I thought you had a good chance after our game (number 3) - I like the foot GK list, it represents a lot of what is great about 6th edition from psykers to S5 Stormbolters.

Still lamenting that missed Grinder charge and Fiend mishap!

 calypso2ts wrote:

Target wrote:
... all opponents I'd never played before, including Alan and Greg from the ETC team, which is a lot of the reason I travel to GT's, new/old friends and cagey new opponents!

Congratulations, I thought you had a good chance after our game (number 3) - I like the foot GK list, it represents a lot of what is great about 6th edition from psykers to S5 Stormbolters.

Still lamenting that missed Grinder charge and Fiend mishap!

The worst part is... and Jay Da Boyz saw it (I think it was jay or it was the main TO)... Andrew and I rolled for 6th turn that final round... and I had the game won if it ended... 30-3.... and we rolled up turn 6... then rolled up turn 7.... and he basically tabled me :(

Damn greyknights being good vs deamons....

 frgsinwntr wrote:

 calypso2ts wrote:

Target wrote:
... all opponents I'd never played before, including Alan and Greg from the ETC team, which is a lot of the reason I travel to GT's, new/old friends and cagey new opponents!

Congratulations, I thought you had a good chance after our game (number 3) - I like the foot GK list, it represents a lot of what is great about 6th edition from psykers to S5 Stormbolters.

Still lamenting that missed Grinder charge and Fiend mishap!

The worst part is... and Jay Da Boyz saw it (I think it was jay or it was the main TO)... Andrew and I rolled for 6th turn that final round... and I had the game won if it ended... 30-3.... and we rolled up turn 6... then rolled up turn 7.... and he basically tabled me :(

Damn greyknights being good vs deamons....

Both of you guys gave me tough games, Daemons are sick right now!

Against Rich he legitimately had me on turn 5, the big LOS blockers allowed him to hide Daemon Princes and flamers where I couldn't get to see them, then on turn 5 (he went 2nd) he hopped over the wall, contested both of my objectives, then hoped for the game to end. Luckily, it went to 6, my blob charged fateweaver and the flamers (a lone gk ate the flamer overwatch for my blob, poor fella!), and on turn 7 I managed to finish them off and was standing on the objectives!

Winning GTs...somewhat being a good player, somewhat getting a tad lucky at the right moments

Question: How were they ruling gun emplacements at Da Boyz?

Could the gun fire on its own for the person who bought it with nobody around at all?


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Is there an FAQ available somewhere (other than the GW ones) that was being used by the judges at the event?

INAT FAQ does not seem to be updated yet for 6th, so trying to find some steady rulings on stuff is a bit of a pain right now.

Target wrote:

 frgsinwntr wrote:
The worst part is... and Jay Da Boyz saw it (I think it was jay or it was the main TO)... Andrew and I rolled for 6th turn that final round... and I had the game won if it ended... 30-3.... and we rolled up turn 6... then rolled up turn 7.... and he basically tabled me :(

Damn greyknights being good vs deamons....

Both of you guys gave me tough games, Daemons are sick right now!

Against Rich he legitimately had me on turn 5, the big LOS blockers allowed him to hide Daemon Princes and flamers where I couldn't get to see them, then on turn 5 (he went 2nd) he hopped over the wall, contested both of my objectives, then hoped for the game to end. Luckily, it went to 6, my blob charged fateweaver and the flamers (a lone gk ate the flamer overwatch for my blob, poor fella!), and on turn 7 I managed to finish them off and was standing on the objectives!

Winning GTs...somewhat being a good player, somewhat getting a tad lucky at the right moments

Target, didn't you run daemons at the Nova Open? I guess that helps in knowing how to face them

You seemed like a great guy the few times I've run into you briefly (at Blobs Park one year and at this past Nova). Congrats on (another) win!

 RiTides wrote:

Target wrote:

 frgsinwntr wrote:
The worst part is... and Jay Da Boyz saw it (I think it was jay or it was the main TO)... Andrew and I rolled for 6th turn that final round... and I had the game won if it ended... 30-3.... and we rolled up turn 6... then rolled up turn 7.... and he basically tabled me :(

Damn greyknights being good vs deamons....

Both of you guys gave me tough games, Daemons are sick right now!

Against Rich he legitimately had me on turn 5, the big LOS blockers allowed him to hide Daemon Princes and flamers where I couldn't get to see them, then on turn 5 (he went 2nd) he hopped over the wall, contested both of my objectives, then hoped for the game to end. Luckily, it went to 6, my blob charged fateweaver and the flamers (a lone gk ate the flamer overwatch for my blob, poor fella!), and on turn 7 I managed to finish them off and was standing on the objectives!

Winning GTs...somewhat being a good player, somewhat getting a tad lucky at the right moments

Target, didn't you run daemons at the Nova Open? I guess that helps in knowing how to face them

You seemed like a great guy the few times I've run into you briefly (at Blobs Park one year and at this past Nova). Congrats on (another) win!

Thanks! I'm afriad I haven't sullied my hands with daemons, they're the most broken codex you see, and I'd never play that... ( ) You're probably thinking of Nick Nanavati (a friend and team mate), he ran Daemons at nova and we hung out quite a bit at the event. I was GK/IG at nova, bfs, and Da Boyz, all different lists but the same concept. I know how to play daemons fairly well mostly from Nick and Rich, two friends that both do very well and have played me with their daemons a fair bit.

As far as the metagame goes, In my opinion, Necron air-cav is honestly way too good. I'm not talking about 9 flier one trick ponies, I had 5 fliers and then some other units to allow me to actually take ground and hold it. The speed and firepower is just ridiculous. The only army that can really give me a run for my money is a 5th ed Mech IG list, which is very rare these days. That being said, I got to play some people that are so good they managed to make it a real ballgame. Even so, I won all my games pretty handily and had a large battle point lead overall.

In my opinion, A balanced Necron Aircav in the right hands is just flat out impossible for a lot of lists to beat.

Spacecurves wrote:
Well, if we're talking about winning games, let the record show I had the most battle points by far . I didn't win overall because the sportsmanship system required people to rank their games, and people really don't like getting tabled on turn 3. I got chipmunked BIG time.

Necron air-cav is honestly way too good. I'm not talking about 9 flier one trick ponies, I had 5 fliers and then some other units to allow me to actually take ground and hold it. The speed and firepower is just ridiculous. The only army that can really give me a run for my money is a 5th ed Mech IG list, which is very rare these days. That being said, I got to play some people that are so good they managed to make it a real ballgame. Even so, I won all my games pretty handily in the end.

In my opinion, A balanced Necron Aircav in the right hands is just flat out impossible for a lot of lists to beat.

You won in bp 172 to 159, I don't know if that's by far , it's like 5%! Paint and sports were where I had you, I got you 12 on paint and 20 on sports, giving me that prolific leap in the end and overall, having not seen my paint or sports score going into awards, when I didn't hear my name called for general or any of the others, my heart was sinking a bit thinking somehow i'd gotten low sports and/or paint and missed everything. My army just isn't designed to win big, and I had the good luck to play Alan (18-15) and Greg (23-10) who weren't willing to give up lots of points, stingy fellows . I wish we could have gotten in a match!

I'm always torn on the ranking system for sports, I like it personally as it provides more spread in the results since it isn't just "everyone awards max sports, unless that guy was a real, real jerk" like traditional sports. However I always feel bad, like I did at da Boyz, when I have to rank my opponents and I had 6 excellent games - giving people the 4-6 slots feels bad since they were great guys too. But, I don't know if I'd call the ranking system chipmunking, chipmunking has typically meant "people dinged my score to manipulate the system (collusion) and/or because they didn't like my army/something that isn't related to sportsmanship". After all, I won all 6 games as well, most pretty big (why we only have a ~5% difference in BP) and ended up with a 47/60 on sports. One negative thing I will say about a ranking system is it can just lend itself to being very..fickle, since you HAVE to award some "low" scores, if your opponents had all good opponents, it's hard to know if you'll do well.

We should get in a match one of these days, I've yet to run into a necron "air cav" style list that frightens me much, and haven't lost to one to date really - my biggest worry/challenge is actually the same as yours, a true 5th edition mech guard list, which I had to play in the first round at Da Boyz and it gave me fits. I find against necron cav lists (and I agree the right number of flyers is ~5) they don't have the guns to punish how much foot I have on the ground, and they don't have a strong enough ground presence to do anything but get blown off the board. Also, strike squads with psybolt (16 str 5, 8 str 7) and rerolls from presience do a number on av 11 flyers when I need them to.

Spacecurves wrote:
Well, if we're talking about winning games, let the record show I had the most battle points by far . I didn't win overall because the sportsmanship system required people to rank their games, and people really don't like getting tabled on turn 3. I got chipmunked BIG time.

Ha - welcome to the club. Funny how Walking Eldar received worst Comp a few years ago and therefore couldn't win the overall due to "Chipmunking". What kind of people would ever do such things. Not a friendly neighborhood dentist, nooooo... LOL.

And yes - that was Walking Eldar and worst Comp in the same sentence.

@Target Hey man, I didn't mean for the post to sound so snarky, I should never write things pre-coffee. I wasn't trying to insult your skill, just express frustration at the scoring system. I do think Necrons are way to good right now, the ability to fight whenever and where is just amazing. I can zoom up, hop out of the scythes, fry everything, then get back in and zoom off the board, so crazy!

Sorry again for the original post, didn't come out the way I wanted.

Spacecurves wrote:
@Target Hey man, I didn't mean for the post to sound so snarky, I should never write things pre-coffee. I wasn't trying to insult your skill, just express frustration at the scoring system. I do think Necrons are way to good right now, the ability to fight whenever and where is just amazing. I can zoom up, hop out of the scythes, fry everything, then get back in and zoom off the board, so crazy!

Sorry again for the original post, didn't come out the way I wanted.

Oh no problem, I didn't take offense!. Also I see overall as an award that goes to someone with the best combined score and is "equal" in the cosmic scheme of things to general, so even when I win 6 games and lose it, providing the other guy is well painted/etc., I don't get ruffled and I didn't think you did, apologies if you felt you should have had it! Honestly I didn't know where Ricky Johnson was in BP, but since his army is better painted then mine, I was wondering if he'd snipe it. General was definitely what you deserved (that is 100% not a dig!), as you scored the most BP and showed the most "I kick teeth and play missions correctly!" of the day. In a 6 game tournament with that many people (and the bp format) I'm never surprised even if a 5-1 steals it, with multiple 6-0's it's a total crapshoot.

But my mandolls will still totally beat up your mandolls.

Haha ok good I'm glad. As for Necron flier army, the main advantage when you are "doing it right" is the ability to place your guys whever you want all the time. So for example you can absolutely crush one flank the turn you roll on the board, then get back in, fly off the board next turn, and do it all over again turn 4. I've got a fair amount of foot troops inside my night scythes, which allows me to actually take ground when I want to. Foot armies have a really hard time bringing their firepower to bare usually. That being said, if they have enough bodies they can restrict flier movements so even if they don't get many kills there is a danger they can keep me off objectives and the like.

Deathmarks + despair techs help clear a lot of ground though .

Spacecurves wrote:
Haha ok good I'm glad. As for Necron flier army, the main advantage when you are "doing it right" is the ability to place your guys whever you want all the time. So for example you can absolutely crush one flank the turn you roll on the board, then get back in, fly off the board next turn, and do it all over again turn 4. I've got a fair amount of foot troops inside my night scythes, which allows me to actually take ground when I want to. Foot armies have a really hard time bringing their firepower to bare usually. That being said, if they have enough bodies they can restrict flier movements so even if they don't get many kills there is a danger they can keep me off objectives and the like.

Deathmarks + despair techs help clear a lot of ground though .

That's the main mistake I've seen cav lists make - taking 5 man warriors to open up more scythes, which just don't have the ability to do much once down. Despair techs are definitely the most frightening folks in the army, luckily there's only 2 and coteaz can semi-mitigate for his own unit with "I've been expecting you" and positioning can help with the others to an extent (the guard blob cradles us!). If you don't mind me asking, what was the list you were running? I never ended up actually getting to see any of your games.

Sure no problem, here it is. So many cool tactics I can use with this army. Obyron and Overlord hang with tomb spyder, zandrehk rides in a scythe, I think you can see the potential for shenanigans!

Nemesor Zandrehk 185
Obyron 160
Necron Overlord: mindshackle scarabs, warscythe, sempiturnal weave, phase shifter 175

Royal Court 1: Harbinger of Despair, Harbinger of the Storm with lightning field 65
Royal Court 2: Harbinger of Despair, Harbinger of the Storm with lightning field 65

5 Deathmarks 95
Night Scythe 100

10 Immortals: tesla 170
Night Scythe 100

5 Warriors 65
Night Scythe 100

5 Warriors 65
Night Scythe 100

5 Warriors 65
Night Scythe 100

5 Scarabs 75

3 Canopytek Spyders: 1 gloom prism 165


Total 1850