New GW Campaign Book - Crusade of Fire

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**MeanGreenStompa**

Eldarguy88 wrote:
Is that a new bloodthirster in the preview image?

It's certainly interesting. I can't make out the head properly.

but I think it's a converted daemon prince, the wings, marine style shoulder pads and most especially that it's just got a sword and not an axe and whip.

**Happygrunt**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Eldarguy88 wrote:
Is that a new bloodthirster in the preview image?

It's certainly interesting. I can't make out the head properly.

but I think it's a converted daemon prince, the wings, marine style shoulder pads and most especially that it's just got a sword and not an axe and whip.

Yah, that is just a Daemon prince. Looks good though.

**MeanGreenStompa**

In fact, if I'm not mistaken, those kneepads are previous edition fantasy chaos warrior shoulder pads.

**H.B.M.C.**

That's what I was checking, as the knee-pads certainly aren't part of the DP kit. But they are from another kit (Marauders or old Chaos Warriors - unsure which). I know because I use done to make the 'face' of a Scavvy leader for Necromunda (combined with an iron gob from the Ork sprue!).

**nolzur**

Ouze wrote:
Limited edition. They have been pushing it hard for about a year or so, since Dreadfleet really.

Since Dreadfleet? Man, I sure am glad that I can still order a copy of Space Hulk...

**Juggalo17**

does anyone have any information on the contents? im curious about the new flier rules mentioned... maybe balancing them out a bit?

**wuestenfux**

Well, LE, who cares. You can certainly get a copy later from ebay or so.

**Darth Bob**

wuestenfux wrote:
Well, LE, who cares. You can certainly get a copy later from ebay or so.

For three times the original cost.

**wuestenfux**

Darth Bob wrote:
wuestenfux wrote:
Well, LE, who cares. You can certainly get a copy later from ebay or so.

For three times the original cost.

Well, I hope not. I want to get it cheaper than the original price.

**Kroothawk**

Platuan4th wrote:Blood in the Badlands was LE? Huh, guess I can wait on this one, too, going by how many copies of BitB are laying around in stores here.

nolzur wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Limited edition. They have been pushing it hard for about a year or so, since Dreadfleet really.

Since Dreadfleet? Man, I sure am glad that I can still order a copy of Space Hulk...

wuestenfux wrote:Well, LE, who cares. You can certainly get a copy later from ebay or so.

Again: It is limited supply, not limited edition. Means: As with Blood in the Badlands there can be reprints if demand is there. GW just made a first printing in China and hasn't ordered a second printing yet.
Oh, and you can't order Space Hulk from GW anymore (was available online for 2 days).

**nolzur**

Kroothawk wrote:
nolzur wrote:
Ouze wrote:
Limited edition. They have been pushing it hard for about a year or so, since Dreadfleet really.

Since Dreadfleet? Man, I sure am glad that I can still order a copy of Space Hulk...
Oh, and you can't order Space Hulk from GW anymore (was available online for 2 days).

Yeah, that was sarcasm. Using sarcasm to point out the obvious flaw in his argument of GW pushing limited just recently

**Kroothawk**

nolzur wrote:
Yeah, that was sarcasm. Using sarcasm to point out the obvious flaw in his argument of GW pushing limited just recently

Wasn't obvious without emotes.

And more recently would be:
Making Codex Sororitas or rules for several big models a splash release.

**Nagashek**

Not impressed. This is almost exactly the same description as for Blood in the Badlands, which did not have any support for the Mighty Empires tiles (which would have been an obvious tie in) and barely said anything at all about the campaign or how to build one, maybe as many as 10 pages of actual decent material. The rest of it read like an issue of White Dwarf. When I said I wanted a campaign guide for 40k/Fantasy, I meant the General's Compendium, not a hard cover print off of someone's blog.

**narked**

No support for Mighty Empires? It was entirely based around using a Mighty Empires map...

**Happygrunt**

So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...

**mikhaila**

Check with your local game stores. We only just ordered them today, and won't get them until later in the week.

**Kroothawk**

Official release date is 1st December.

**Panic**

yeah,

Nagashek wrote:Not impressed... maybe as many as 10 pages of actual decent material... The rest of it read like an issue of White Dwarf.

I'm excited and expect this to be better!

By the GW description it has lots of useable content .
The campaign system
Plus multi-player scenarios.
Plus fighting low-gravity environments.
Plus fighting in bunkers deep below the ground.
Plus Expanded rules for Flyers.
Plus Fighting the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh.
Plus Fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.

All this would make for a extremely polished mega White Dwarf!

Happygrunt wrote:So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...

That Sucks big Time.
This is the kinda Justified reason why GW should be hated...

Their drop of a hat pre-ordering schemes are a mess!

I sent them this email..

Spoiler:

Panic...

**Herzlos**

Panic wrote:
yeah,

Nagashek wrote:Not impressed... maybe as many as 10 pages of actual decent material... The rest of it read like an issue of White Dwarf.

I'm excited and expect this to be better!

By the GW description it has lots of useable content .
The campaign system
Plus multi-player scenarios.
Plus fighting low-gravity environments.
Plus fighting in bunkers deep below the ground.
Plus Expanded rules for Flyers.
Plus Fighting the gladiatorial arenas of Commorragh.
Plus Fighting battles on the surface of a Daemon World.

All this would make for a extremely polished mega White Dwarf!

A lot of that is the sort of stuff that used to be in White Dwarf. Not in a single issue admittedly, but spanned over 2 or 3.

I expect each of those will be a couple of pages of rules and tables, assuming a generous 5 pages a title there it's 35 pages of content. White Dwarf could easily fit 3 x 12 page articles in (they waste more than that each issue with filler :p), or a single 35 page supplement. They won't though, because they can charge £25 for the same thing and the fans will snap it up.

I remain sceptical as to the usable page count until I've seen it though, I'm more than happy to be proved wrong in this instance because I love the idea of it

**H.B.M.C.**

Happygrunt wrote:
So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...

Yikes.

Glad I secured my copy.

**Lansirill**

Happygrunt wrote:
So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...

Welp, looks like unless the store near me happens to have some copies GW won't be getting my $41. Sucks to be them. I thought about getting it, even though it sounds overpriced, but I wasn't going to spend that much cash on something of unknown quality.

**kitch102**

Crusade of fire is still available on the UK site.

If any of you johnny foreigners (said with a smirk, I promise) know someone in the UK that can get them sorted for you, you might want to drop them a line, quick style

**The Crippler**

I went to order it tonight, only to find out it was sold out. The least they could do would be to offer it digitally. You'd think they would, but then again, I know enough to not automatically apply logic to GW reasoning.

**Kroothawk**

As said, all GW and local stores will have it on 1st December. Supporting your local store doesn't hurt as much as rumours say

**clively**

Personally, I like how they were much clearer on the expected delivery dates this time. If you indicated you would pick it up at the store; then you get it first. If you had it shipped to your house, wait another week.

With 6th, I got mine a couple weeks after it was available in the store simply because I mistakenly thought having it shipped to my house would be better.

**Panic**

Yeah,
So I saw this...

Happygrunt wrote:So, Crusade of Fire is completely sold out in North America. So much for a Christmas present...

And it kinda rubbed me the wrong way... I hate this Kinda thing, preorders should not sell out all available online stock prior to a products launch.
Maybe it's just my opinion I guess, but I believe that everyone who see's that preorder page should be able to buy it.
I sent GW this email..

Spoiler:

I got this reply.

Spoiler:

I'm a think I'm a little confused... by this reply.

Crusade of Fire has already gone on Pre-order and sold out in the USA before Pre-Order/WhiteDwarf day.

This happened before with the Gamer Edition of 40k.
It was announced and sold out online before I received my White Dwarf.
My White Dwarf Subscription then came through my door telling me all about a product that looked very good but was already sold out...

??

Panic...

**htj**

I suggest you reply and tell him that. Have to say, sounds like he's fobbing you off.

**kitch102**

Completely agree, it's the typical GW response of "reply by promoting another product that was never mentioned and completely avoid the main issue that the customer is talking about".

At no point did he say anything like "Black Library have just trialled the preorder method that you mentioned with their latest Limited Edition HH Novella, it was successful having sold nearly double the amount than they would have had they limited copies, GW hope to adopt the same policy as it makes perfect sense as you say".

I realise he's a monkey (sorry Kyle) and not the organ grinder so you'll never get that response, though for me I have to say that this approach they adopt which actually ignores the crux of your point is nothing but really quite offensive to the customer imo

**Panic**

yeah,

htj wrote:I suggest you reply and tell him that. Have to say, sounds like he's fobbing you off.

kitch102 wrote:Completely agree, it's the typical GW response of "reply by promoting another product that was never mentioned and completely avoid the main issue that the customer is talking about".
...though for me I have to say that this approach they adopt which actually ignores the crux of your point is nothing but really quite offensive to the customer imo

I'm not entirely sure he got my complaint.

So I've replied.

Spoiler:

Lets see if I get a proper answer to the actual complaint this time?

Panic...

**insaniak**

Nope. You'll get a response pointing out that it is still available in the UK, and that the US is a separate business that is run from the US, and so he can't really tell you anything about what goes on over there.