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My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"

Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.

 Ouze wrote:
You get the book home, and read it. You put it in a bookshelf. You go to sleep. Later, after the arson investigator submits his report, you learn that GW used a chemical in the binding agent that causes the pages to spontaneously combust after reading it. You were the sole survivor of of the blaze, which consumed everyone you loved and all of your belongings, including of course your warhams.

Later, GWS has a charity for you to get you back on your feet; and give you a complimentary battleforce. It's Tau.

Be realistic Ouze. That's hardly going to happen a second time now is it?

My friend and I sat down and played some arena battles Saturday night (I made laminated maneuver cards) and it was a blast! The strategy and planning of a card game mixes really well for 40K games. In addition we have begun plans to create some indoor terrain to play zone mortalis scenarios, largely influenced by one of the narrative missions in the book. I'm very glad I was able to get a copy.

 Lorizael wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"

Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.

Have you ever played at a tournament?

Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.

Guessing the BT flyer's got to be a tip on what to expect in their update, which I can only imagine would be coming soon - you wouldn't provide rules for something that didn't exist, right?

Oh, wait, that's right - this is GW

lol

Got my copy tonight, yet to have a proper look through. Mixed feelings initially as it does feel more like WD content than something worthy of a dedicated expansion rulebook, however that content does seem to be pretty cool from nothing more than a cursory glance. Looking forward to the arena games personally.

 Alkasyn wrote:

 Lorizael wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"

Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.

Have you ever played at a tournament?

Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.

Friends?

That seems rather... bleak...

 Alkasyn wrote:

 Lorizael wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"

Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.

Have you ever played at a tournament?

Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.

How often do you have campaign play at tournaments?

I don't think that's what he was saying Kan.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:
I don't think that's what he was saying Kan.

Then I have no clue why he was responding to someone talking about campaign play.

"Campaign" (aka "fun") play is usually a lot more loose. You'll have a few goombas, but very rarely will people go out of their way to be goombas in campaign play.

When there's prizes at stake (in tournament or campaign play) though, all bets are off...

 Alpharius wrote:

 Alkasyn wrote:

 Lorizael wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"

Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.

Have you ever played at a tournament?

Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.

Friends?

That seems rather... bleak...

I think "Friends who play 40K" is what he meant.

I am actually a little disappointed that I couldn't get this one (The Seattle Bunker got ONE copy... ONE!)

Do you think, with the popularity, they might do a reprint?

Got my copy this morning and very happy with it lots of things to try and experiment with and Black Templar's can take Stormeagles which in the UK are growing into a more tourney legal unit if thats what floats your boat and some US events from the sounds of it. My only gripe is Imperial Guard fliers should have been called Imperial Navy and that would have covered SoB properly as well as IG.

One thing, in the fighter aces section, where's the de? The elder section makes specific mention of craftworld eldar so it cent be that?

Family Fun Hobbies in Hamilton, NJ received 2 copies today. I purchased one 1 is left.

 Lorizael wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"

Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.

Get real, man. Warhammer is a serious business and there is no place in this game for fun. If you are having fun, you're doing it wrong....

 Bolognesus wrote:

 Alpharius wrote:

 Alkasyn wrote:

 Lorizael wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
My local store called to say my copy was in. I cancelled it. What a waste of time. "OH COOL LET MY DOGFIGHT WITH MY BLACK TEMPLAR FLYER. OH WAIT, WE CANT TAKE FLYERS AND I CANT PARTICIPATE IN THE NEW CONTENT WOOOOOOOO"

Or you could just take a flyer for use in the campaign, because this is a fun game and you can change whatever you like when you play with friends.

I've still not had anyone take issue with me using a Stormraven in my codex marine army.

Have you ever played at a tournament?

Playing vs friends is a different thing. Plus, not everyone has them.

Friends?

That seems rather... bleak...

I think "Friends who play 40K" is what he meant.

Obviously I meant 40k Friends.

What I meant is this: Tournament play has no place for this kind of rules, and they can only be used with friends. I think that even if you organised a campaign at the store with randoms, you could have trouble incorporating the non-core stuff. That said, if you have enough friends to pull a fun campaign off, great.

And I asked the person talking about his C:SM Stormraven if he ever played in any tournaments with it. He wouldn't be accepted on any of the tournaments I played at.

 BrassScorpion wrote:
My local GW Battle Bunker had six copies of Crusade Of Fire to sell upon opening on Saturday, Dec. 1. All six copies were gone within about 90 minutes. Not surprising since it sold out on the GW North America website in less than two days during advance ordering.

There are more than a half dozen copies on eBay right now. Checking the completed listings there shows quite a few copies already sold for $80-$100 and one that went for $150 US. The list price of the book in the US is if I recall $41.25. Glad I got mine by advance order.

Yet the UK stores seemed to have 20+ copies still on the shelves the day after release. I guess the scarcity in the US is because they got a lot less copies to begin with.

If anyone is considering buying one, have a look in the UK first before the crazy eBay prices.

 Alkasyn wrote:


And I asked the person talking about his C:SM Stormraven if he ever played in any tournaments with it. He wouldn't be accepted on any of the tournaments I played at.

I haven't used it, but I did ask if it was possible (before we had the stormtalon) and it was accepted. All FW was accepted too. As it should be.
But anyway, I was talking about Campaign, which is way more flexible.
I don't see why everything has to be to do with Tournament play anyway- the majority of gamers I've met and played with over the past 20 years aren't involved in tournaments bar the small ones at their local clubs. Tournament play is the minority.

It's all to do with people's attitudes to playing. I know I can go in my local GW for a pick up game and use my Stormraven i n a C:SM list if I want to. I've seen Space Wolf players use Storm Talons too.
Generally if when playing a pick up game someone won't let you have a bit of flexibility (if the request is reasonable) then they're probably not people you want to be playing games with anyway.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:


Get real, man. Warhammer is a serious business and there is no place in this game for fun. If you are having fun, you're doing it wrong....

Ah damnit, I keep forgetting to stop enjoying myself when playing games!

 Lorizael wrote:

 Alkasyn wrote:


And I asked the person talking about his C:SM Stormraven if he ever played in any tournaments with it. He wouldn't be accepted on any of the tournaments I played at.

I haven't used it, but I did ask if it was possible (before we had the stormtalon) and it was accepted. All FW was accepted too. As it should be.
But anyway, I was talking about Campaign, which is way more flexible.
I don't see why everything has to be to do with Tournament play anyway- the majority of gamers I've met and played with over the past 20 years aren't involved in tournaments bar the small ones at their local clubs. Tournament play is the minority.

It's all to do with people's attitudes to playing. I know I can go in my local GW for a pick up game and use my Stormraven i n a C:SM list if I want to. I've seen Space Wolf players use Storm Talons too.
Generally if when playing a pick up game someone won't let you have a bit of flexibility (if the request is reasonable) then they're probably not people you want to be playing games with anyway.

Normally I'm a stickler for tournament-level rules enforcement on every end, but yeah... the books specifically for flexible usage within flexible campaigns. It's not for tournaments (though the arena might make for some pretty awesome ones.)

Herzlos wrote:


Yet the UK stores seemed to have 20+ copies still on the shelves the day after release. I guess the scarcity in the US is because they got a lot less copies to begin with.

If anyone is considering buying one, have a look in the UK first before the crazy eBay prices.

Do UK stores still ship to the US?

I know they used to - but I was under the impression that they stopped international shipping to screw the Australians....

Boomstick wrote:
Got my copy this morning and very happy with it lots of things to try and experiment with and Black Templar's can take Stormeagles which in the UK are growing into a more tourney legal unit if thats what floats your boat and some US events from the sounds of it. My only gripe is Imperial Guard fliers should have been called Imperial Navy and that would have covered SoB properly as well as IG.

So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FW UK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?

Sweet.

And FW is frowned upon in my area.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

Boomstick wrote:
Got my copy this morning and very happy with it lots of things to try and experiment with and Black Templar's can take Stormeagles which in the UK are growing into a more tourney legal unit if thats what floats your boat and some US events from the sounds of it. My only gripe is Imperial Guard fliers should have been called Imperial Navy and that would have covered SoB properly as well as IG.

So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FW UK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?

Sweet.

And FW is frowned upon in my area.

Everyone's beary beary sorry that your codex remains old, but please don't sit here and pretend that's the fault of a new campaign supplement, or that it's the fault of that supplement that your playgroup frowns upon FW (which for old armies is one of the few ways for those armies to stay current while they await codex updates).

So I just got my copy in the mail about 2 hours ago and have had a chance to look through it. I definitley think its pretty cool, but I don't know if its worth 42$. I do know its not worth the 80-100$ I've seen it going for on eBay. Still, overall happy with the purchase.

 Ouze wrote:

 Brother SRM wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Well this sounds like a fairly big disaster. Glad I didnt bite.

"Good. but not $41 good." doesn't exactly sound like a disaster to me. I'm curious what your definition of "disaster" is.

You get the book home, and read it. You put it in a bookshelf. You go to sleep. Later, after the arson investigator submits his report, you learn that GW used a chemical in the binding agent that causes the pages to spontaneously combust after reading it. You were the sole survivor of of the blaze, which consumed everyone you loved and all of your belongings, including of course your warhams.

Later, GWS has a charity for you to get you back on your feet; and give you a complimentary battleforce. It's Tau.

Quite simply masterful. *slow clap*

I read that whole thing in the 'Old Spice' guy voice... and it was awesome!

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FW UK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?

Sweet.

And FW is frowned upon in my area.

Can't help you with the former.

Regarding the latter, why?

 Dysartes wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
So......I could get a Stormeagle shipped from FW UK to me for roughly $200, but the majority of other armies can go to their local GW and grab a flyer for $60?

Sweet.

And FW is frowned upon in my area.

Can't help you with the former.

Regarding the latter, why?

You could always just get a Stormraven and call it a Storm Eagle.....

From what I hear, most of the US doesnt like FW in their games (especially tourneys). Probably because they are usually OP, and also ridiculously expensive to get in the States and that puts a cramp on players who scrape to put armies together. I mean sure, I can afford to spend as much as two DV box sets to get a flyer thats a little bigger than a StormRaven and has OP rules, but since I make great money how fair is that against the guy who struggles to put an army together when I swoop in with my $200 OP FW flyer?

At least I assume thats the POV.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
From what I hear, most of the US doesnt like FW in their games (especially tourneys). Probably because they are usually OP, and also ridiculously expensive to get in the States and that puts a cramp on players who scrape to put armies together. I mean sure, I can afford to spend as much as two DV box sets to get a flyer thats a little bigger than a StormRaven and has OP rules, but since I make great money how fair is that against the guy who struggles to put an army together when I swoop in with my $200 OP FW flyer?

At least I assume thats the POV.

Being in the US and having a full FW chaos dwarf army, I get nothing but compliments when I show up with my $2000 army.

Forgeworld isn't always about oh he must be rich so he can get the best stuff, even if you just have the book doesn't mean you can't use the stuff in there, Like I have a friend who runs the Ork Mech list which everyone loves.

I don't know what part of the country you are from but in Arizona people bringing Forgeworld is no problem, even allowed in tournaments at my LGS, just have to ask before you use it.

Also I bought the Crusade of Fire book and highy enjoyed it, will increase the play value of planetary empires.