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See? That's what I'm talking about. You're just being (un)intentionally abrasive and arrogant. We are quite clear on your ability to lay waste to all of us at a moment's notice. You have made it clear in this and many other threads. Let it go.

I'm pleased that you have great success in the P&M forum. Perhaps look to your success there to inform your success in other parts of the forum. I can tell you right now that your current tactic is not working well.

Perhaps, if that doesn't work, try refraining from posting in topics that you think may have a negative response to your posting.

 pretre wrote:
It saddens me that there is always at least one poster who ruins every Sisters thread. The names change, but the behavior never does. :(

Back on topic though, Sisters have a ways to go. I expect them to be updated no earlier than 2014. I strongly doubt that they will be squatted.

edit: For an educated professional with excellent everything, you sure have a hard time communicating without ticking people off, VS. Maybe tone it down a little bit.

I feel that marines players sometimes feel threaten by sisters of battle.

Hopeful sisters will get an update soon, in the mean time I'm going to work on my homebrew codex.

As for when they will get a real codex, I have sources (but not reliable ones) that say this year or early next (their is a bit of evidence to support this but don't get your hopes high and take it with a grain of salt).

Does anyone remember how they said that grey knights and sisters of battle codex would merge together?

This is pretty easy to explain. It's because I'm okay with having unpopular opinions, and I am much better at formulating written arguments than other people. People don't like to run up against other people that are smarter than them on topics they think they are experts on. And they hate losing. So, naturally, they get upset with me. It's natural. I'm used to it. When you're a six foot tall, educated professional who was also a Marine, you intimidate all of the people who just hoped you would be another dumb jarhead. I break the conventions that a lot of people who build their perceptions of the world on. I'm stronger, faster, and smarter. /shrug. Again, it sounds arrogant. But in reality, it's just the way it is. Right now, there's some guy reading these sentences and already getting all mad and pouty and trying to concoct some clever reply about how much of an arrogant jerk I am.

Look, this is all very silly. No one knows how fast or strong a block of text is, and no one cares. No one is intimidated by the rippling muscles of your punctuation. Unpopular opinions are the very fuel that run message forums, and people share them all the time without getting into grief. None of the above is relevant to you getting yourself into hot water. You may well be stronger, faster, and smarter than many people. Now you need to work on your communication skills. Not getting along with people is not a sign that the rest of the world is broken.

 Necrosis wrote:


Does anyone remember how they said that grey knights and sisters of battle codex would merge together?

I recall something like that yes. Not sure if it's legit though.
However, it is a good idea. I always believed that all of the Orders of the Inquisition should be merged together in their own Codex. Especially the Ordos Xenos, because Deathwatch.

All the ordos of the inquisition were merged into one codex. It is Codex: Grey Knights. The three major Ordos are covered in there.

SoB aren't an order of the inquisition and aren't even an Order Militant anymore. They are just good buddies.

Deathwatch, on the other hand... That was a miss from the GK Codex.

Yeah, but there's more of an emphasis on the Ordos Malleus in C: GK. I was thinking of something a little more balanced.

You are right though that the SoB aren't part of the inquisition. I had forgotten about that.

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Yeah, but there's more of an emphasis on the Ordos Malleus in C: GK. I was thinking of something a little more balanced.

Very true, Malleus has always been the big boy in 40k. Although, iirc, they did change it so that the GK worked with all of the Ordos now, so that's a plus. They are basically the big guns that the Inqs can call in when needed. C:GK would have been near perfect if they just added Deathwatch as an Elite with a SC that made them troops. Then it would have covered the Ordos Militant.

Yes, that would do nicely!
Maybe in the next dex.

pretre wrote:See? That's what I'm talking about. You're just being (un)intentionally abrasive and arrogant. We are quite clear on your ability to lay waste to all of us at a moment's notice. You have made it clear in this and many other threads. Let it go.

Nice picture. How's that working out for you? The whole "being clever" thing?

If anyone needs to let it go, it's the people who cannot engage in an argument in a reasonable, civil manner. After all, all of my responses are entirely reactionary. You behave correctly, you get treated well. If you behave badly, you get treated poorly. I mean, this is the Golden Rule at work.

After all, is it not rather hypocritical to suggest that I "Let it go" when in fact you're participating in the very same behavior?

I think what you meant to say was "Let me be right!"

I can tell you right now that your current tactic is not working well.

I don't think you're actually aware of what my "tactic" even is. I cannot affect the behavior of other people here. I can only respond to it.

I mean, again, I'd like someone to, one time, point out where I was the bad guy here. Where I started any kind of argument or initiated poor behavior. Everyone I've challenged to do that has quietly changed the subject or left the thread abashed. By all means, be the first, and change the trend. The worst thing I did was suggest that at some point, somebody was going to behave poorly and attack me. I was right, wasn't I?

Perhaps, if that doesn't work, try refraining from posting in topics that you think may have a negative response to your posting.

What fun is that? I'm not here to ensure that you enjoy yourself. I'm here to ensure I enjoy myself. I will never actively work to ruin your experience. However, I cannot ensure that you enjoy yourself. Happiness is your own problem. I believe it would be more effective if you would refrain from reading this forum, because then you cannot be negatively affected by opinions that conflict with yours. Trust me, you won't ever find me on a Sisters of Battle forum because I just assume the behavior is as universally poor there as it is on the general 40K forums.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
Nice picture. How's that working out for you? The whole "being clever" thing?

About as well as quoting Fight Club is for you.

I mean, again, I'd like someone to, one time, point out where I was the bad guy here. Where I started any kind of argument or initiated poor behavior. Everyone I've challenged to do that has quietly changed the subject or left the thread abashed. By all means, be the first, and change the trend. The worst thing I did was suggest that at some point, somebody was going to behave poorly and attack me. I was right, wasn't I?

Wait, so telling people that they are trolls isn't trolling people and initiating poor behavior?

Veteran Sergeant from Page 1 of this thread in his first post wrote:I'm sure the usual suspects of Sisters fans/trolls will start to lambast me and my ideas because what I'm saying makes them unhappy.

Oh wait, yes it is...

Imo, sisters simply do not appeal to your typical (war)gamer...normally, in games, in order to appeal to customers, women have to sexualized in some way. They have to be attractive and wham, men like them.

Sisters, however, are butt-ugly and thus falls short on this matter.

Furthermore, they do not distinguish themselves enough of normal marines - to me, SoB are just female-ish marines - and the image of strong fighters simply does not fit to female characters in most minds.

Just think of "heroes" - how many women will come to your mind? Is a woman the first thing that you will see? Certainly won't.

All major heroes in fictional stories are male white. And why play female tin cans if you can play male tin cans that appear to be 10x more badass fluff-wise?

 Sigvatr wrote:
Just think of "heroes" - how many women will come to your mind? Is a woman the first thing that you will see? Certainly won't.

All major heroes in fictional stories are male white. And why play female tin cans if you can play male tin cans that appear to be 10x more badass fluff-wise?

Wow. There is so much wrong with this particular post that it is staggering.

Do we need to start a list of non male-white heroes? Geeze.

 Sigvatr wrote:
Imo, sisters simply do not appeal to your typical (war)gamer...normally, in games, in order to appeal to customers, women have to sexualized in some way. They have to be attractive and wham, men like them.

So what your saying is GW should make plastic sisters that look attractive? I'm down for that.

 Necrosis wrote:

 Sigvatr wrote:
Imo, sisters simply do not appeal to your typical (war)gamer...normally, in games, in order to appeal to customers, women have to sexualized in some way. They have to be attractive and wham, men like them.

So what your saying is GW should make plastic sisters that look attractive? I'm down for that.

Either make the models look great, or make them brutally overpowered. Either one will get sales rolling. I'd rather the former than the latter, but either one would sell enough Sisters to convince GW that they were worth supporting.

I have to admit that I feel like I'm doing it wrong though. I've always seen Sisters as a well equipped version of IG, rather than frail, inept Space Marines.

I've always seen them as a hybrid between priests/storm troopers in space marine equipment.

Sisters are very close to storm troopers, if you want to have a good comparison. Utterly dedicated, extremely well-trained and well armed servants of the emperor. Except they take the next step from Utterly Dedicated and go to Fanaticism.

After all, compare the game stats and background for a Scholam graduate (Commissars and Storm Troopers) to someone who ends up in an Order (Sisters of Battle).

Sisters are nothing like Space Marines. Sisters are heroic because they are just humans, but manage to accomplish so much all the same.

Truth be told, I never saw a Necron model or Codex before the relaunch. Dark Eldar? We had one guy who bought the models second-hand and let's not derail the thread by discussing how he used the crappy second printing codex to make it work. Both of these seemed much more likely prospects for a quiet death by forgetting them entirely.

SoB and WH at least used to work, even if you always had to explain the Faith powers because not all worked on the same numbers and it seemed a bit arbitrary. ICs managing powers on their LD made it even more strange.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
When you're a six foot tall, educated professional who was also a Marine, you intimidate all of the people who just hoped you would be another dumb jarhead. I break the conventions that a lot of people who build their perceptions of the world on. I'm stronger, faster, and smarter. /shrug. Again, it sounds arrogant. But in reality, it's just the way it is.

What possible difference do you think that makes? You sound like "another dumb jarhead". You are attempting to intimidate people into leaving the discussion so that you are the last standing, and thus the "winner" of the argument. You might not realise this is what you are doing, but your purposefully aggressive posture is pretty self evident.

Oh, and this is how much I give a damn that you're an ex-Marine.



That's what I am wearing to work this morning. I am sure nobody else cares what you used to be either.

For some reason I didn't see this thread derailing so soon.

 conker249 wrote:
For some reason I didn't see this thread derailing so soon.

Sob threads have a bad track record of that.

When I was starting to get into 40k, I looked over each army and see what was awesome about them. Imperial Guard, Wow! So many troops, so many heroic individuals and a wall of tanks! Space Marines, the best of the best, gods amongst men. Necrons, implacable metal monsters, silent killers and destructive beyond imagining. Sisters of Battle. The righteous destruction, the fire of faith, the greatest ordinary humans the Imperium has to offer, the people who purge the alien, kill the mutant and burn the unclean.

The thing is that with the other armies what makes them cool can be seen easily on the table top. Imperial Guard can field tons of Russes, Necrons have the flying baked goods of doom and so on. Yet what makes Sisters so cool is more abstract. How can you take their fantacism and show it on the simulated battlefield? Especially with static models that can't curse the alien. I'm no game designer so I can't pretend to know the answer but I do know, as a consumer, that I don't see it.

Their models are bleh to be fairly honest. They just don't strike me as awesome. They aren't bad models by no stretch of the imagination but they just don't grab you. If they could take the thing that make Sisters so badass and put it on the table top, along with a better line of models, then I would think of buying them. Until then the sisters come off as a niche army.

 Veteran Sergeant wrote:
When you're a six foot tall, educated professional who was also a Marine, you intimidate all of the people who just hoped you would be another dumb jarhead. I break the conventions that a lot of people who build their perceptions of the world on. I'm stronger, faster, and smarter. /shrug. Again, it sounds arrogant. But in reality, it's just the way it is.

Typical too, big headed, egotistical, and never think you're in the wrong.
Just messin

Seriously though, back on topic as to the OP

I somehow doubt we'll ever see plastic sisters. Think of it like this, GW is moving molds to finecast right? Have we seen any of those for SoB yet?
I'd love plastic sisters and I would pretty much drop a few hundred $'s on them when they came out.
Love the idea of them, even like their current "codex"
I just despise metal/finecast models.

The more everyone fights....



... the sadder this puppy gets.

Back on topic, I agree with everyone saying that it's only a matter of time before Sisters get an update. Maybe not anytime soon but I can't see GW not giving it one more shot. Especially since I doubt they don't have at least one person who skims these kinds of sites to see what people want and are talking about.

 pretre wrote:

Wow. There is so much wrong with this particular post that it is staggering.

Do we need to start a list of non male-white heroes? Geeze.

I don't really care for your personal opinion on that matter...not because it's yours, but because it's one among many. Just have a look at video games and movies. Have a look at the characters that really influenced the image of a hero. How many non-white, female heroes can you think of? Think of all the action movies. Lots of black / female protagonists? When given the ability to create a customizable characters, what's his skin complexion most of the time? I could go on.

You do not get my point because you're driven by your subjective perception instead of trying to have a look at it all.

 Necrosis wrote:

So what your saying is GW should make plastic sisters that look attractive? I'm down for that.

Exactly my point, because...

DaddyWarcrimes wrote:


Either make the models look great, or make them brutally overpowered. Either one will get sales rolling. I'd rather the former than the latter, but either one would sell enough Sisters to convince GW that they were worth supporting.

Ok, non white heros.

- Black Panther
- Spawn
- Storm
- Psylocke
- Mr. T
- Hitchcock
- Ricky-O
- Jenny Quantum
- Swift
- Bishop
- Jubilee
- Steel
- Blade
- Ben Daimo

I can go on, but I really don't have the time.

The Lovely Psylocke is a bit dodgy as she is white English girl in a Asian Ninja body (as you do)

Oh and you can add Cloumbiana - hot girl, fun film............

Does the same actress in Avatar count - she was blue then but hey.....

also animated - especially anima have some pretty wacky looking people of all sort of ethenic backgorund

lastly - there are one or two asian live action action heros floaiting about out there?

 Mr Morden wrote:
The Lovely Psylocke is a bit dodgy as she is white English girl in a Asian Ninja body (as you do)

Close enough

Anyway, if I were to add Bruce Lee, that would include
- Chen Chow
-Tang Lung
- Lee
-Chen Zhen
- Cheng Choa-an
- Kato


Oh, that guy from Prey, Tommy!
And Nightwolf
And Roland
And Mordecai
And Salvador
And Alyx Vance
And Liu Kang
And Sheva Alomar

See what happened! I lost some time

 Sigvatr wrote:

I don't really care for your personal opinion on that matter...not because it's yours, but because it's one among many. Just have a look at video games and movies. Have a look at the characters that really influenced the image of a hero. How many non-white, female heroes can you think of? Think of all the action movies. Lots of black / female protagonists? When given the ability to create a customizable characters, what's his skin complexion most of the time? I could go on.

This is a really risky thing to say and is extremely chicken-eggish.
There has been many games, books, comics, movies etc... which feature strong, well-written characters of any race, region and gender.
Its just that the majority of the mainstream media productions from the USA literally refuse to step outside of their comfort zones and that goes a long way to shaping the appetite of the consumer.

There are many studies done by many over-qualified and twice as many under-qualified individuals on this subject alone, it won't be hard to look it all up.

Sadly, this all goes a long way to accepting a vast undercurrent of casual racism and misogyny that exists today and when change tries to be wrought at any level the argument about the consumer wants this gets trotted out, catch-22, chicken-egg-time, etc...

But also, if all people wanted was thirty-something caucasian men, then how do you explain Orks? Tyranids? Tau? Necrons?

 CthuluIsSpy wrote:
Ok, non white heros.

- Black Panther
- Spawn
- Storm
- Psylocke
- Mr. T
- Hitchcock
- Ricky-O
- Jenny Quantum
- Swift
- Bishop
- Jubilee
- Steel
- Blade
- Ben Daimo

I can go on, but I really don't have the time.

Do you consider those even barely close to stuff like Arnold Schwarzenegger, Christopher Walken, Keanu Reeves, Bruce Willis, Spiderman, Superman, Batman, Jesus (see what I did there?), Rocky Balboa etc.? You mentioned a bunch of far lesser known and far less popular characters. I won't even discuss stuff like Alyx and the Borderlands guys...

Go out on the street, ask people to name a hero.

See, it's not my point to say that it *should* be that way. It's the internet, and a lot of people get this wrong. I am just stating what it's like in reality...and some people don't like hard facts when those oppose their personal opinion. Male white is the current archetype for a hero in the western world when it comes to an overall look at heroes. Deal with it.

Jesus was actually an Arab (He was born in the Middle East). The idea that he is white is a gross misconception.

If we are talking about actors, then Morgan Freeman, George Takei, Bruce Lee and Samuel L Jackson comes to mind.

Male white is the current archetype for a hero in the western world when it comes to an overall look at heroes.

This is what we can agree on.

Where you done goofed however, was here:

All major heroes in fictional stories are male white.

That is an erroneous generalization.