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I didn't feel like it was to long. It does take Bilbo a while to get out the door but that also includes the intro showing the loss of Erebor and the tie in of Frodo and Old Bilbo which I thought was well done.

I think Peter Jackson is looking at this as a full standing 6 movie series and tying things in appropriately. Anyone else notice the music around the ring was the same as used in LOTR? I thought that was a nice touch.

Oh, and I like that the Dwarves aren't crazy killers of doom like Gimli, Legolas, and Aragorn. Those three, and Boromir, were suppose to be basically the greatest warriors of their race. The comparison is most noticable in the fight with the trolls. Only Thoren and one or two of the Dwarves are actually brawlers. In fact, Ol' Gandalf makes even the "brawlers" look bad.

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My wife and I saw it this weekend and really enjoyed it. I flet like they could have done a better job "flattening" it for 2D, but the rest of it was so strong that I can overlook that.
   
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It did feel a bit long for me, but that's only because I got four hours of sleep and spent all day driving home from Atlantic City. Had I not been exhausted, it would have flown by. Now I kind of want to go back and watch LotR again...

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Skip to 12:10 on the LOTR soundtrack, you will know what scene this is from (Dont wanna spoil it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJT12-wrCY

When that familiar piece started playing, tears were almost shed, a truly beautiful moment.

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 unmercifulconker wrote:
Skip to 12:10 on the LOTR soundtrack, you will know what scene this is from (Dont wanna spoil it)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPJT12-wrCY

When that familiar piece started playing, tears were almost shed, a truly beautiful moment.

you know when people say an old, nostalgic song gives them a shiver down their spine? I never really understood what they were on about until that and "misty mountains cold" started playing. I spent half the film grinning like an idiot at little things like that, or Gandalf not remembering the names of the blue wizards...


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Saw it tonight in 2D and thought it was amazing. Yes long, but that just meant you fell into the world of it, never rushed it had a lovely pace to be immersed.

The only criticism I can think of is that it didn't seem to have a strong newly identifiable theme in the music. It took lots from the original films, like the hobbit music, themes for the ring and the elves and similar reminders. But new music seemed sparse and I can't think of anything I could hum afterwards, unlike when I left after Fellowship with the main theme still ringing in my ears.

Still, everything else about it was wonderful. It's length will test the impatient, but treat it like a three course meal of a film rather than your usual meal. You wouldn't want every film like this, but the hobbit deserves it. It long and slow at times, but it doesn't seem padded to me and you're just sucked in.
   
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 Howard A Treesong wrote:
The only criticism I can think of is that it didn't seem to have a strong newly identifiable theme in the music. It took lots from the original films, like the hobbit music, themes for the ring and the elves and similar reminders. But new music seemed sparse and I can't think of anything I could hum afterwards, unlike when I left after Fellowship with the main theme still ringing in my ears.

What about "misty mountains cold"? I've had that stuck in my head since I watched it...


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Just because it keeps on getting mentioned...


   
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 d-usa wrote:
Just because it keeps on getting mentioned...

Whoops, I meant "over hill"


around the 1:06:00 mark. Same tune, but more "epic".


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Is it a three hour drag or does the film fly in? A lot of reviewers have flagged the fact that it takes Bilbo 50mins to get out the front door! I'm still 50/50 about seeing this. I'll probably wait for the DVD.



I wish it could have been 10 hours.... Peter Jackson has done, and is doing, Tolkien's work perfectly proud.

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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Is it a three hour drag or does the film fly in? A lot of reviewers have flagged the fact that it takes Bilbo 50mins to get out the front door! I'm still 50/50 about seeing this. I'll probably wait for the DVD.

admittedly, it does take Bilbo a while to get going, but that's all setting up the story, introducing the characters and the plotline etc., and it all just flies past.


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 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Is it a three hour drag or does the film fly in? A lot of reviewers have flagged the fact that it takes Bilbo 50mins to get out the front door! I'm still 50/50 about seeing this. I'll probably wait for the DVD.

The reviews I've read on another forum say pretty consistently that most scenes feel about 20% too long.

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 AlexHolker wrote:
 Do_I_Not_Like_That wrote:
Is it a three hour drag or does the film fly in? A lot of reviewers have flagged the fact that it takes Bilbo 50mins to get out the front door! I'm still 50/50 about seeing this. I'll probably wait for the DVD.

The reviews I've read on another forum say pretty consistently that most scenes feel about 20% too long.

Well, reading all these different points of view and with me probably going to see it again, I'll look out for those things and tweak my original review of it. (Also gonna see it in 2D rather than 3D, so I'll write what difference that makes to the feel of it, too).


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The reviews I've read on another forum say pretty consistently that most scenes feel about 20% too long.


Absolutely not, in my opinion. When I saw it for the first time on Friday (I saw it once with the wife, and then took the parents to it as a christmas present), I was originally thinking the movie would end upon getting saved by the eagles, which wasn't all that far into the book, really. But I was consistently surprised with how much the movie contained, even though I knew a bit about the added Dol Guldur scenes.

Not one single scene dragged on too long for me.



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I can't wait to go see it again but this time with my wife in IMAX.

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I will see it again at the IMAX in HFR as soon as the crowds die down.
The running time of the film is readily available. Why dont those who feel it is too long just wait for the DVD instead of bitching about it.
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 snurl wrote:
The running time of the film is readily available.

The running time is not itself the problem. It's how the running time is used. And for the record? My local cinema does not mention that the Hobbit is going to have a nine hour running time for the entire book.

Why dont those who feel it is too long just wait for the DVD instead of bitching about it.

Why are you even on a forum if you don't want to hear people discuss things?

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 AlexHolker wrote:
 snurl wrote:
The running time of the film is readily available.

The running time is not itself the problem. It's how the running time is used. And for the record? My local cinema does not mention that the Hobbit is going to have a nine hour running time for the entire book.

Why dont those who feel it is too long just wait for the DVD instead of bitching about it.

Why are you even on a forum if you don't want to hear people discuss things?


When the run time for a movie is readily available ahead of you watching it, it makes no sense to complain about its length.
   
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 Dreadwinter wrote:
When the run time for a movie is readily available ahead of you watching it, it makes no sense to complain about its length.

The running time is not itself the problem. It's how the running time is used.

How can you read that and not comprehend that I am not complaining about the length in and of itself. An episode of a TV show can feel bloated at 25 minutes, while a movie can be well paced despite being five times longer. This is not a contradiction, it's a question of the content that fills the running time.

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 shrike wrote:
 Howard A Treesong wrote:
The only criticism I can think of is that it didn't seem to have a strong newly identifiable theme in the music. It took lots from the original films, like the hobbit music, themes for the ring and the elves and similar reminders. But new music seemed sparse and I can't think of anything I could hum afterwards, unlike when I left after Fellowship with the main theme still ringing in my ears.

What about "misty mountains cold"? I've had that stuck in my head since I watched it...


Yep. The fight sequences and/or motivational points in the movie (for lack of a better term) with the dwarves played variations on misty mountains cold which I though was excellent.

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Watched the film last night and loved it. From the trailers I thought I was going to hate the dwarves because the only scene I remembered was them throwing dishes around. I could have sworn in the trailer they were breaking one here and there too. I was pleasantly surprised to find out they were just doing it to mess with bilbo.

Nothing felt drawn out, every set piece was pretty cool. I'm as ADD as they come when dealing with movies and games these days, but even after drinking a large coke in the theater (and feeling the creeping piss crisis coming) it didn't feel like 3 hours at all.

Can't wait to see the next two, then all three back to back with extended content.

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Everyone here loves it, yet reviews are not great. Its almost like we're a weird fantasy oriented subset of folk....

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Frazzled wrote:Everyone here loves it, yet reviews are not great. Its almost like we're a weird fantasy oriented subset of folk....

To be fair to us, most of the bad reviews about the actual film (rather than the technology) is it's not following the book enough, which, us being wargamers and thus more of us will probably like the book, it's not incredibly unfair.
Plus, you get much more views slating something than praising it.


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 shrike wrote:
Frazzled wrote:Everyone here loves it, yet reviews are not great. Its almost like we're a weird fantasy oriented subset of folk....

To be fair to us, most of the bad reviews about the actual film (rather than the technology) is it's not following the book enough, which, us being wargamers and thus more of us will probably like the book, it's not incredibly unfair.
Plus, you get much more views slating something than praising it.


As an adult, I hate the book. I did enjoy it as a child though. That said, I can't wait to go back and see it again on Christmas Eve, taking my mom and sister to it. The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey is just like the LotR movie trilogy-it's far better than the book (series) it was made from.

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 timetowaste85 wrote:
The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey is just like the LotR movie trilogy-it's far better than the book (series) it was made from.

Just a bit assertive there
Though I do agree, I prefer the films over the books (and if the hobbit carries on the way it started, same there), though I do enjoy the book too.


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I saw the movie this afternoon and I thoroughly disliked it. The problems with the film were myriad and too fundamental to be saved by quality acting and exciting visuals. The film needed a tighter screenplay, a ruthless editor, and a director self-assured enough to avoid making too frequent homages to his own films.

The film was bloated, pure and simple. It started off dull and ham-handed. I actually laughed out loud at the full frame shot of a burning dwarf doll. The pacing was seriously flawed. 10 full minutes of flashbacks provided the type of exposition that could easily have been delivered through a bit of brief dialogue. In fact, if the dwarves had simply sung the entire song about Smaug, the whole story would have been right there.

A good editor would have kept more of the song (I won't believe PJ did not shoot the whole thing), and cut in some of that flashback footage, which would have had far more emotional impact when backed up by the mournful tone of the singing scene.

All of that overblown nonsense was apparently supposed to build up Thorin as a main character...in a movie titled The Hobbit, not Blood and Fire: The Revenge of Thorin. The Hobbit did not know what movie it wanted to be.

Parts of it were light-hearted, like a children's movie. That's fine. Some of the combat was comical, lightening the seriousness of an otherwise frightening scene. A++ good for a kids' movie. But at other times the movie was extremely serious and very frightening. Either way would have been fine, but not both. With both, it pisses on parents who bring their kids thinking the movie is going to be fine for them to watch, and ruins the tone of the film for mature viewers. It is self-defeating.

Gandalf, Bilbo, and Thorin were in stiff competition for the audience's attention. Who was the main character? Who is the viewer supposed to identify with? It is supposed to be Bilbo, and that's an easy answer, but think about the movie for a minute. Bilbo is mostly just there, along for the ride, not unlike Anakin Skywalker in The Phantom Menace.

Bilbo decides, for example, to go on the journey for no apparent reason. He says no, explains precisely why he does not want to go in spite of Gandlaf's encouragement, and goes to bed. In the morning he has a snap decision to rush out and catch up to the dwarves, who, by the way, never tell him where they will be.

In the book, Bilbo traps himself into going on the journey. He is indignant about not being wanted. His Tookish side gets him into trouble, and Gandalf arrives in the morning to remind him of his commitment and give him "a little nudge out of the door." Perhaps that was a LotR movie reference PJ should have made.

In the film, Bilbo simply makes the decision for no reason that the audience is aware of. We don't even see the guy pack. He just runs out the door with contract in hand yelling about going on an adventure that when last we saw him he was not even conflicted about avoiding entirely.

From then on he's just around while Thorin is being hounded by his old nemesis. Bilbo has a bit more agency in the cave troll scene than in the book, which is fine. It builds up his role in the film, but it does little to disguise the fact that the actual movie is not really about Bilbo at all.

There's a lot more to go into but this is way too long already.


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Seen it today (yesterday) with a few mates, 11:30 start, pint and a tequila or 4 to get wormed up. Its good, realy good. Its a LOTR film you have not seen, thats the feel you get throught the whole film. If you like the LOTR films you will like this, any one who says different is just being a dick for the sake of Trolling. For the fact it makes Dwarfs look like hard arss mo-fos its worth it alone.

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weeble1000 wrote:
In the film, Bilbo simply makes the decision for no reason that the audience is aware of. We don't even see the guy pack. He just runs out the door with contract in hand yelling about going on an adventure that when last we saw him he was not even conflicted about avoiding entirely.


Eh?

Spoiler:
During the intro scene after the dwarves asked him to sign the contract and he storms off, gandalf approached him and asked about what happened to the person he used to be, always wanting to explore and adventure. Over time he just started to get comfortable not having adventure and not doing anything, but Gandalf brought forth the old bilbo who would have done that sort of thing. After having some inner conflict he wakes up and realizes that everyone is gone, and his chance for adventure is fading. He finally makes up his mind that he wants to go on an adventure and does. This makes perfect sense to me.


I'm also not sure what you're expecting Bilbo to do to play a larger role than what he did. Just like the book he was sort of dead weight until after he found the ring. He just sort of tagged along for the journey while everyone else lead on. Whenever he branched off it gave a little screen time to the rest of the party while fully following what happened to him.

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 cpt_fishcakes wrote:
Seen it today (yesterday) with a few mates, 11:30 start, pint and a tequila or 4 to get wormed up.


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