Tyranid WD Update?

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**pretre**

From Faeit212:

via Faeit 212 comment section by an anonymous poster wrote:
I can absolutely, positively guarantee you there will be models for them in 2013; as well as a WD update for said models.

GW is trying to give love to at least a dozen armies per year (both systems included) from now on. Gone are the days of "2 armies per system, and those are the only ones who get anything."

There's a reason I choose to remain Anon on here. Just saying...

Cyrax wrote:
This kinda came out of left field. According to a source on Faeit looks like Mat Ward is set to pen an upcoming Tyranids Book.

Plus apparently more chatter about some new units, and changes to existing units as well.

Standard disclaimers apply here kids as this is some heavy stuff... -MBG

From Faeit
Tyranids. Seen much of these lately on the tabletop? Not so much for a while now, but they are still out there. Here are a few rumors giving us a loose time frame for a codex release, as well as some new units.

Please remember that these are rumors, early rumors at that, so please apply as the author mentions.

via the Faeit 212 inbox (no permission given to give a name)
Q4 2013 40k goes to Eldar supposedly, so will be early/late Q4 2013/Q1 2014. May be Q3 2013. Not entirely sure. There will be a codex release and there may be a WD/model release earlier. That would push the codex back though.

Kit released for harpy that will make a second FMC - current playtest name hydra. Harpy will remain anti-infantry, hydra to be anti flyer/vehicle.
Synapse will go back to giving eternal warrior - and instinctive behavior will be radically changed.
For other new kits - nothing major. Prime plastic kit, shrike upgrade pack, and lastly, a new MC that is built off of infiltrating and will have a snacking rule similar to the fantasy ghorgon.

next two Rumors should be taken with even more salt then normal - there will be multiple large plastic kit that is a multiple option kit that can make warriors/zoanthropes/lictors, one that can make venomthropes/raveners, and one that will make biovores/pyrovores and one for tyrant guard/hive guard. The finecast models are getting changed up a bit - will move to plastic. Also, some of these kits may be condensed into one box. Secondly - Ward is writing the dex. Extra salt here folks - extra salt.

Once again, keep in mind this is a long ways off and these are playtest rules.

http://blog.spikeybits.com/2013/01/so-mat-wards-writing-tyranids-now-rumor.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SpikeyBits+%28Spikey+Bits%29&utm_content=FaceBook

And, of course, as a bit of a disclaimer for this particular source, here is the rumor tracker results for Natfka and his anonymous sources:

Natfka on Faeit 212 - Total rumors: (96 TRUE) / (89 FALSE) / (19 PARTIALLY TRUE/VAGUE)

**daedalus**

I know you've been doing rumor mill management, so maybe you heard something elsewhere that makes this especially plausible, but isn't some anon comment from a comment section somewhere a little thin for N&R?

**pretre**

Meh, I posted it because I hadn't seen it here. Personally, I like to make sure people have the info and the history to know whether it is plausible or not.

Towards that end, keep in mind that Natfka and his anonymous comments are at 96 True, 89 False, 19 Vague,

**Cyrax**

This kinda came out of left field. According to a source on Faeit looks like Mat Ward is set to pen an upcoming Tyranids Book.

Plus apparently more chatter about some new units, and changes to existing units as well.

Standard disclaimers apply here kids as this is some heavy stuff... -MBG

From Faeit
Tyranids. Seen much of these lately on the tabletop? Not so much for a while now, but they are still out there. Here are a few rumors giving us a loose time frame for a codex release, as well as some new units.

Please remember that these are rumors, early rumors at that, so please apply as the author mentions.

via the Faeit 212 inbox (no permission given to give a name)
Q4 2013 40k goes to Eldar supposedly, so will be early/late Q4 2013/Q1 2014. May be Q3 2013. Not entirely sure. There will be a codex release and there may be a WD/model release earlier. That would push the codex back though.

Kit released for harpy that will make a second FMC - current playtest name hydra. Harpy will remain anti-infantry, hydra to be anti flyer/vehicle.
Synapse will go back to giving eternal warrior - and instinctive behavior will be radically changed.
For other new kits - nothing major. Prime plastic kit, shrike upgrade pack, and lastly, a new MC that is built off of infiltrating and will have a snacking rule similar to the fantasy ghorgon.

next two Rumors should be taken with even more salt then normal - there will be multiple large plastic kit that is a multiple option kit that can make warriors/zoanthropes/lictors, one that can make venomthropes/raveners, and one that will make biovores/pyrovores and one for tyrant guard/hive guard. The finecast models are getting changed up a bit - will move to plastic. Also, some of these kits may be condensed into one box. Secondly - Ward is writing the dex. Extra salt here folks - extra salt.

Once again, keep in mind this is a long ways off and these are playtest rules.

http://blog.spikeybits.com/2013/01/so-mat-wards-writing-tyranids-now-rumor.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+SpikeyBits+%28Spikey+Bits%29&utm_content=FaceBook

**pretre**

Aha, Cyrax, you beat me too it.

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I think people just throw the author out there. After all, you have a 25% chance of getting it right.

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Original link:http://natfka.blogspot.com/2013/01/tyranids-synapse-changes-new-units-and.html

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And that is one wishlisty set of rumors.

**Fenrir Kitsune**

Ward doing nids - thats just trolling, isn't it.

**Gargantuan**

Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Ward doing nids - thats just trolling, isn't it.

The rules would be better and there's not much fluff he can ruin since it's just omnomnom.

**Sir Samuel Buca**

Every time a new codex is rumoured, the only author mentioned for weeks is Ward. But, on topic, an update for 'Nids would be cool, I'd love to see them getting played more, seems a little wishy washy at the minute though.

**Hulksmash**

EW Medium bugs would be something that brought bugs back front and center. Honestly GW kicked the medium sized bug army in the face when it didn't T5 the warrior sized bugs or keep the EW. Oh well, if true cool, if not, cool cause I'm still painting my other three armies right now....

**Gifblaur**

This will make my mate very very happy if true. Will also make me very very unhappy. lol

We've actually been waiting for a harpy kit for a while now. We want to use them but don't want to convert one if they are going to actually release a kit(which they should...)

Eh, like all of the other rumors pertaining to GW, I'll believe it when I see it.

**rpricew**

Gargantuan wrote:
Fenrir Kitsune wrote:
Ward doing nids - thats just trolling, isn't it.

The rules would be better and there's not much fluff he can ruin since it's just omnomnom.

Necrons hugging Blood Angles while Grey Knights ride Carnifex into war with the Blood of Sisters on their armor? What's wrong with that?

I don't believe rumors, but I do hope that this one is true. It would be helpful to the game, and I'm sure to GW product sales... only reason people buy Warriors now is to convert them to all of the $25 per Finecast solo units. $75 USD for a brood of 3 Hive Guard or $47 for converted Warriors. I mean really, when is the last time you saw a Pyrovore not holding down a stack of papers?

**pretre**

Can we keep the Ward-derp out of the thread? Thanks.

@Hulk: I think the EW update would be a BIG buff across the board.

**streamdragon**

But Ward love/hate is so much fun! I'm pictures a side story where a lictor talks to an inquisitor before eating him! Maybe a Farseer survives a trip into a digestion pit and comes back with a new understanding of the Hive Mind!

On a more serious note, EW back for mid bugs would be an amazing change. Almost ANY sort of change to the Pyrovore would be welcome as well because, I mean, pyrovore...

That said, I'm still not sure if those couple changes would make me dust off the ole nids. Elites are still bloated, FA is still mostly a joke and there's still a lot of huge gaps in the book. I dunno, guess we'll see eventually.

**Hulksmash**

Not so sure it's a huge buff across the board, more a buff for variety. Nids are actually pretty solid in 6th but my biggest issue is that medium sized bugs are almost never seen (by medium I mean Warriors, Shrikes, and Raveners). I think it would just open up more options without making the army to insane.

As a side note two units of raveners and a unit of gargs led by the parasite would be amazing.

**Absolutionis**

They buffed Warriors and Raveners to 3 wounds to compensate for their lack of synapse EW. In the end, nobody took them.

Ultimately though, giving the Doom EW may be a bit unbalanced.

**pretre**

Hulksmash wrote:
Not so sure it's a huge buff across the board, more a buff for variety. Nids are actually pretty solid in 6th but my biggest issue is that medium sized bugs are almost never seen (by medium I mean Warriors, Shrikes, and Raveners). I think it would just open up more options without making the army to insane.

As a side note two units of raveners and a unit of gargs led by the parasite would be amazing.

I guess that more properly it would be a big nerf to force weapons.

**Hulksmash**

@Absolutionis

To be fair that was mostly due to the fact that when they did it you were regularly seeing 18+ missile launcher space wolf armies. So that portion of the list was dead on arrival. The hope at the time was for T5 or EW remaining. We got neither

@Pretre (I remembered the R!)

Yeah, but I don't generally kill bugs in CC with my GK's anyway. They die like guardsmen to Stormbolter fire. In all honesty I don't see at the point value warriors, shrikes, and raveners are at that EW would be bad.

However on big bugs most of the time they are wounding on a 5-6 or have 2 attack with a hammer that wounds on 2's and then have to pass a 3d6 test. So they aren't really dying to instant death nowadays anyway

**d-usa**

Tyranids are giant monsters that do nothing but kill everything they touch and turn planets into rocks. They wiped out entire systems and already killed one race.

There is not that much Mat Ward can do to make them even more over the top than they already are.

Other than maybe bone blade of bones and tyranic claws of tyranicness.

**Harriticus**

Pretty funny how Tyranids have gotten a codex every edition and are among of the most updated armies historically, yet still suck so bad and feel so neglected.

**pretre**

Hulksmash wrote:
@Pretre (I remembered the R!)

YAY!

Yeah, but I don't generally kill bugs in CC with my GK's anyway. They die like guardsmen to Stormbolter fire. In all honesty I don't see at the point value warriors, shrikes, and raveners are at that EW would be bad.

However on big bugs most of the time they are wounding on a 5-6 or have 2 attack with a hammer that wounds on 2's and then have to pass a 3d6 test. So they aren't really dying to instant death nowadays anyway

Fair enough. I don't really ID bugs too much with my armies, so it is a good point. And I agree, you don't see medium bugs hardly at all nowadays.

**Hulksmash**

Yep, Nids are currently the only Xenos to get updated every edition since second. Don't really need a new codex right now, just a slight adjustment to make medium bugs useful.

**pretre**

Harriticus wrote:
Pretty funny how Tyranids have gotten a codex every edition and are among of the most updated armies historically, yet still suck so bad and feel so neglected.

The sucking part is people forgetting the past and ignoring the present. They had pretty strong dexes previous to this one and are currently in a pretty good place right now.

**daedalus**

They weren't even THAT bad in 5th edition. I mean, they were bad, don't get me wrong, but the way the Internet portrayed them, you'd have thought there was not a single game won with them the entire duration of the codex's existence to date.

**Hulksmash**

I think it was just that most 5th codexes seems to punch them harder in the face. SW's before release, Poison DE, Grey Knights in general. Not saying they weren't playable, I played them a lot, but they did take a beating in the course of 5th.

**Kroothawk**

I didn't post it because it is a rather unbelievable rumour set by a rather unbelievable rumour source.
Yes, there will be a Harpy kit eventually and more plastic kits, but another plastic Ravenor ???

**Absolutionis**

pretre wrote:
Harriticus wrote:
Pretty funny how Tyranids have gotten a codex every edition and are among of the most updated armies historically, yet still suck so bad and feel so neglected.

The sucking part is people forgetting the past and ignoring the present. They had pretty strong dexes previous to this one and are currently in a pretty good place right now.

They felt "neglected" because they didn't get the majority of their desirable models until recently. The Winged Tyrant was a staple of the 4edEd Codex, and the model didn't appear until 5thEd. Even worse, the Tervigon (and Tyrannosaurus Fex) didn't get a model or a declaration stating their base size until the same time. When these models finally were going to get releaed, it ended up being showcased alongside Space Wolves.
We're still looking for a the Mycetic Spore drop pod model.

The codex felt "neglected" because it had tremendous internal balance inconsistency and GW didn't care. Pyrovores are awful; Biovores and Rippers are still pretty bad; the metagame made Warriors and Raveners useless. On the other hand, Trygons made Carnifexes obsolete and Tervigons were possibly one of the best units in the game.

The codex felt "neglected" because the FAQ didn't come out until a year after release. When it did, it inexplicably nerfed some things like preventing Primes fro getting in drop pods. This FAQ was very needed as well, everyone was arguing all over the place whether the Doom could affect units in vehicles or whether the Mawloc could intentionally deep strike onto enemies.

Additionally, the Tyranid-featuring White Dwarf was the first time the 'showcase' army lost the battle report in a long time.

**pretre**

I'm not going to say that they didn't have a rough time in some parts of 5th, but Harriticus' post made it sound like they have always been the red-headed stepchild, which is patently untrue.

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Kroothawk wrote:
I didn't post it because it is a rather unbelievable rumour set by a rather unbelievable rumour source.
Yes, there will be a Harpy kit eventually and more plastic kits, but another plastic Ravenor ???

Yeah, I know. He will really post anything.

**Bolognesus**

streamdragon wrote:
Maybe a Farseer survives a trip into a digestion pit and comes back with a new understanding of the Hive Mind!

...And that would be a bad piece of fluff... how, exactly?

**d-usa**

What about having an inquisitor and an imperial navy pilot who fly a captured tyranid ship into the main tyranid vessel so that they can unleash a psychic attack against the hive mind which lowers their defenses and then use a big bomb to blow up a ship while the planet defends themselves and celebrates their own "independence day"?

**Absolutionis**

Bolognesus wrote:
streamdragon wrote:
Maybe a Farseer survives a trip into a digestion pit and comes back with a new understanding of the Hive Mind!

...And that would be a bad piece of fluff... how, exactly?

Because that's essentially a race-reversal of the Doom's fluff. The Eldar hop into Hive Mind and attain greater understanding. The Tyranids hop into the Infinity Circuit and gain a better ability to omnom.

Plus, we already have fluff of Superbro Ultramarine Tigurius using his superpowers to have a teaparty with the Hive Mind in psychic-land and come out completely fine.