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yes they do apply

Ok, thanks

Three battlesuits with plasma and missile pods, 186, and a leader with a targeting array to up it to around 200, hrm...
perhaps little light on bodies, but one good roll could win the game

5 wolf guard terms=160=200
w/cyclone missile launcher,2 combi-plasma=40

or if you just want to have pressure in numbers

5 Grey hunters=75
w/flamer

5 Grey hunters=75
w/flamer

lone wolf=20
w/term armour, combi-melta [replacing storm bolter]

the lone wolf would be a reasonably big target but due to it's 2+ armour save 5+ invul, 5+ feel no pain and eternal warrior it would take alot of shots to kill it.

Codex restriction apply,unless it is HQ or heavy support options, So you must take fire warriors.

Jeff

a naked dread with MM and a small squad of bikes could be fairly mean if you were to give the dread shrouded for the 5+ cover and a bike fleshbane and the other with feel no pain or eternal warrior to sit in the back as the leader

For the most part yes they do unless the 1+ requirement is either HQ or Heavy Support, which they ignore. (quixotically enough tau firewarriors are the exact example they give of this rule in effect)

Also the bikes and dread plan might work, but it's got too few bodies on the ground to do too much. Anything plasma-y will just straight up wreck such a small army.

4 flamers with pyrocaster - 97 pts
4 screamers - 100 pts

This should kill pretty much anything you can put in kill team.

16 wounds, everything has a way to ignore armor, and they all move around pretty quick

I would just field de reavers and zoom all over the place to counter your zooming and deathness ^^^^

A friend of mine played with Reavers and roflestomped (it was a 4 player free for all Kill Team) the enemies (Tyranids, a noob, Ork Lootaspam, Daemon Flamerspam)

Ya they are pretty ridiculous at this low their bladevanes are basically a free kill and then they get a 3+ from boosting

no, the unbeatable KT list is DE

3 Wracks -Psyker(Pyromancy) -Leader 30
Venom 2x cannons -fleshbane 65
5 Kabalite Warriors 45
Raider w DL -Armorbane 60

12 shots wound on 2+ and KT allows splitfire to divide the shots. Every turn he would divide all 12 shots between all 12 of your marines and probably kill 2-3. Raider blows up any vehicle fielded or just pokes out heavy weapons. Psyker is the leader and acts as a pretty good long-range anti-inf depending on power. Best thing, since he has FNP he can save against perils.



Reavers lose to armor. They simply cant hurt it. S3 in melee, and bladevanes cannot effect tanks. If one has a heat lance you can focus that one. Also, bladevanes specify the turbo is in a strait line, so they can often be assaulted if you do it right. Or just sit with your backs against the board and they cant use them at all unless they run down the board edge, giving you a lot of flexibility on them

Yiu cant give psyker anymore unfortunately ^^^^ reread the new rules as people were running around with torrent meltas and large blast lascannons

Not a big deal. He was simply there to fill in the last specialist and psyker was the strongest single ability. Probably run him with shrouding then simply to keep him alive better. The rest of the list is what deals the damage. Both vehicles deal with just about anything i can think of bar maybe beastmaster spam simply due to the wounds in that list.

If it wasn't for the fact that vehicles were allowed, 20 Tau Firewarrirors could be a very effective build. 20 to 40 Strength 5 shots a turn will flood out almost anything without an AV.

Well ya but your talking about throwing wet cardboard at a squad of tacs and theat venom is only kilking one guy a turn

re-read "every man for himself". You can split your fire between any number of targets. If the enemy force has 12 or more models, shoot 1 shot at each model to maximize unsaved wounds. You are going to be killing a lot more than 1 model a turn, even vs terminators. Also, 36" range means that you simply stay out of range of normal weapons and focus down special weapons with longer ranges. Bolters also need 14 shots to do a single glance. You are going to need a lot of bolter dudes in range to be able to kill even just the venom.

Or a HB

Necron Killteam: 6 warriors in a ghost ark for 193pt. AV13 is a tough proposition when you only have 200 points and they can target your melta/armourbane guys individually.

Of course, thats the most boring list I can think of. I prefer my tau killteam:

6 shas'la fire warriors with photon grenades. One is specialist with Armourbane - 66pt
Shas'vre crisis suit with cyclic ion blaster, missile pod, shield generator, iridium armor, HW multitracker, HW drone controller. Is leader and Specialist with Shred - 132pt
2 shield drones. One is specialist with Feel No Pain. These are my WAR ROOMBAS, tasked with running ahead with their 2d6 jetpack moves and bumping into the enemy to tie them up in CC with their 2+/4++/(5+++) saves

Doom of Mal + some genestealers?

I guess I found a good one?

Nah, Doom is easy to single out (any meltaguns and you're screwed unless you gun for Iron Arm) and he is pretty slow. If you catch your enemies with him they are dead though.

Doom only works well if he can get up close and personal to a blob of infantry to melt with his silly amount of wounds he can dish out which is why people always pod him in normal games but as for KT he is far too slow for his abilities to work at their best which is a large waste of points normal zoanthroapes would be better at this level

4 Nob Bikers w/ 4 Big Choppas= 200pts

Good but a Fleshbane flamer will take you down easily

 A GumyBear wrote:
Doom only works well if he can get up close and personal to a blob of infantry to melt with his silly amount of wounds he can dish out which is why people always pod him in normal games but as for KT he is far too slow for his abilities to work at their best which is a large waste of points normal zoanthroapes would be better at this level

Is the pod banned or something?

Nothing can start in reserves

Ah, well still, I'd be happy to play doom and bank on his 3++ lasting. At least long enough to get the genestealers there and kill things that way.