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This is nothing new, just couldn't really find any good threads and not sure where to post it on here but here goes.
Outside of a tournament with present terrain and outside of completely casual play, lets say this is a tournament without a TO and the tournament followed RAW as much as possible.

How do you deal with placing a quad gun, and not have someone place a 3 story 9xX building/ruin, that completely blocks it's LOS 3 inches in front of it.
Up till now I've come up with create placement of the ADL to buy myself 8 to 10 inches of space so i can at least shoot to either side of the blocking building and then place a piece of terrain that may only grant a 5+ or something to prevent the other person from placing more LOS blocking terrain

Can anyone please suggest a way based on RAW to limit blocking as much as possible. I don't mind if some it blocked, it shouldn't be able to shoot EVERYWHERE but there are some WAAC players that are well.. yeah.
Or does anyone have a suggestion of how to do terrain where you can't be a d*** about stuff like that, so I can suggest it to the group.

Is having a random third party setup terrain fair? if so would you have the ADL replace a single piece in your table half? or be added to your table half?
Thanks!

RAW suggests first attempting to find a terrain setup both parties can agree on.

And every tournament should have at least one TO.

We just play that you place fortifications after terrain. Not sure why they thought the other way around would be a good system.

 Eldarain wrote:
We just play that you place fortifications after terrain. Not sure why they thought the other way around would be a good system.

So that you couldn't place a bastion/Fortress right in front of the opponent's best firing lane.

Like I said, they suggest that you first try to agree on terrain placement. If people actually read the rules, they make sense.

Correct. Attempt to place the terrain in advance by agreeing with your opponent to have a good game and following the suggestion in the book.
If that doen't work, and you want to compete in EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAME, prior to setting up terrain competatively, sugget that you have a painting score in your game. Also, suggest a comp. score Also, advise them that you will nitpick all of their rules/measurements/rolls/fashion right off the bat. If your opponent agrees to all of that, be prepared, because he is the type of douche that will put a building right in front of your quad gun.
If they don't agree with competing on every level against you, then, suggest that you agree where to put terrain, then have a fun game.

No tournament is going to run without some sort of judge, organizer, tallykeeper, etc.

I don't see too many tournaments allowing much in the way of fortifications anyway. When you set a fairly well-covered table, fitting a Skyshield or a Fortess would be rather difficult without removing terrain.

Since I assume you are asking so you can (not) run this sort of tournament, I would recommend not allowing fortifications at all. Otherwise the tournament would drag on forever as everyone seta and restes the tables turn after turn.

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:
No tournament is going to run without some sort of judge, organizer, tallykeeper, etc.

I don't see too many tournaments allowing much in the way of fortifications anyway. When you set a fairly well-covered table, fitting a Skyshield or a Fortess would be rather difficult without removing terrain.

Since I assume you are asking so you can (not) run this sort of tournament, I would recommend not allowing fortifications at all. Otherwise the tournament would drag on forever as everyone seta and restes the tables turn after turn.

Not allowing Aegis Defense lines would ruffle some serious feathers.

Every single tournament I've been to since 6th has had people place fortifications on pre-set terrain and if there was not enough space to (re)move a terrain piece in agreement with your opponent or with help from the TO.

I'm not sure if the mythical person that places a 10" tall mountain in front of your Bastion really exists!

Make a rule that states "Don't be a complete tosser when placing terrain." Most people will know what that means and most will abide if someone still places terrain like that you can go farther and start having fortifications replace terrain or say after placing terrain each person gets to move something up to 12 inches or something.

Well the full story is it isn't a tournament but a campaign that is being played over months at the local store for the most part and even some times some of the players homes. There isn't a judge because everyone involved is a player and there also just isn't always a third person there.

There are 1 or 2 players that are TFG and well will grab the largest thing they can find and put it 3" in front of your ADL's quad gun. Also the rules say that if you do not agree on terrain setup that you take turns placing terrain... that leads to this scenario.

While i prefer to play a fun game i am capable of playing the douche game.

As far as not allowing fortifications ADLs are needed for any game above 1250-1500 to be competitive with 9 out of 10 armies using flyers.

Though I am looking in to a bastion which at least is harder to block it's LOS especially if it's placed on a hill (the board has built in hills so it isn't considered terrain.

If you follow the terrain density rules hope you get 1 quadrant with a density of 1, then put your ADL in there, since it counts as 1 terrain piece.

A hard counter to fortifications? I am shocked

Seriouly though, it's the only really viable counter to fortifications. With ADL lines, however, you should have a talk about terrain placement as those are required in 6th.

It's another thing when TFG players start using the Skyshield Shooting Pad or the FoR. Against an IG player however, I'll throw everything I can in front of his LOS

 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:


Since I assume you are asking so you can (not) run this sort of tournament, I would recommend not allowing fortifications at all. Otherwise the tournament would drag on forever as everyone seta and restes the tables turn after turn.

Yeah, but the AGL with quadgun is the only "reasonable" anti-flier unit that some codecies can field.

Sigvatr wrote:A hard counter to fortifications? I am shocked

Seriouly though, it's the only really viable counter to fortifications. With ADL lines, however, you should have a talk about terrain placement as those are required in 6th.

It's another thing when TFG players start using the Skyshield Shooting Pad or the FoR. Against an IG player however, I'll throw everything I can in front of his LOS

Just shoot it, sure it's T7 but it's still easier to kill then a wraithlord or just stay out of it's LOS when you arrive, if you do that then it's just 2 twin linked auto cannons with skyfire for the price of 5 auto cannons.... still worth it but not as good.
To all of that, you still just do the same thing, out maneuver and hide. there is a difference putting something that blocks 75% of the board and multiple pieces that block 40%.

Shandara wrote:If you follow the terrain density rules hope you get 1 quadrant with a density of 1, then put your ADL in there, since it counts as 1 terrain piece.

That is an option but even then you need to put in far in the corner else they can still put something very close to it since it only count where the majority of the terrain is.