Sammael or Azrael: Who's the better HQ in a Ravenwing focused army?

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**Tyler_Knudsvig**

I want to know which is better.
I'm flat broke after getting DV and figured I can afford one of these guys.
Should I spring the extra 30 for Sammael or just get Azrael?
Thx.

**Ronin_eX**

For pure Ravenwing, Sammael is better. He is a nasty combatant (AP2 at initiative, T5, EW). He will be able to keep up with your bread and butter units (Azrael will need to be attached to slower elements). Also, unless you plan on taking Deathwing as well, Azrael is kind of a waste. He is the premiere "mix everything" guy, but if you want to specialize, then the respective Grand Masters of the Wings are better choices (in my opinion).

**prophet102**

Ronin_eX wrote:
For pure Ravenwing, Sammael is better. He is a nasty combatant (AP2 at initiative, T5, EW). He will be able to keep up with your bread and butter units (Azrael will need to be attached to slower elements). Also, unless you plan on taking Deathwing as well, Azrael is kind of a waste. He is the premiere "mix everything" guy, but if you want to specialize, then the respective Grand Masters of the Wings are better choices (in my opinion).

I have to agree with this. If your taking both of the wings then Azrael works great. But due to Sammael being on his jet bike he can keep up. Making him (In my opinion) a better fit.

**Tyler_Knudsvig**

Thanks Guys. I just got Sammael from their GW's website
Thx for the help,

Tyler Knudsvig

**Lobokai**

Something else to consider, skilled rider only needs one model in the squad. So while I run two blackknight squads, Sammael runs around with a 6 man standard bike squad, so that they benefit from +1 cover and no dangerous terrain too.