Dark Apostle Zealot & Vet of Long War

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**Dabme**

The CSM Dark Apostle has the Zealot special rule and may also take the Veterans of the Long War special rule (for free). Why would I take VoLW? Does it really give the Apostle anything? If not, then why even list it?

**Sasori**

Dabme wrote:
The CSM Dark Apostle has the Zealot special rule and may also take the Veterans of the Long War special rule (for free). Why would I take VoLW? Does it really give the Apostle anything? If not, then why even list it?

It is pointless. It's one of several things, like Mechatendrils, that give the appearance of a rushed codex.

**Cultiststeve**

It gives him Hatred(Space Marines)?

**Hlaine Larkin mk2**

It's probably for fluff reason to represent a heresy-era chaplain

**Mozzamanx**

Its there for fluff reasons.

If it weren't, there would be somebody complaining that their Apostle is the newest recruit to their Heresy-era force and that its ridiculous to say that the newbie is so good.

It's purely to give you the choice between millenia-old demagogue, or recently-rogue Chaplain. No rules difference at all but it'll make you feel better.

**Shadox**

Cultiststeve wrote:
It gives him Hatred(Space Marines)?

Zealot gives Hatred everything. It really does nothing.

**Dabme**

Can you expand on the Mechatendril point?

**Sasori**

Dabme wrote:
Can you expand on the Mechatendril point?

If you read the Entry for the Warpsmith's Master of Mechanisms, it talks about a differences between repairing Vehicles without Mechatendrils (5+) and with them (4+). The Warpsmith always has mechatendrils though. It seems to imply that this may have been an option at one point, but was not corrected in later entries.

**Hedgehog**

Aren't there psychic powers that can strip a unit of fearless, and others that reduce leadership? if so it's possible the VotLW's LD bonus would come into play...

**ZebioLizard2**

Hedgehog wrote:
Aren't there psychic powers that can strip a unit of fearless, and others that reduce leadership? if so it's possible the VotLW's LD bonus would come into play...

You don't get 10(11) LD, it'd be reduced even without the +1. If you were -2 LD, it'd be LD8

**Quintinus**

Sasori wrote:
Dabme wrote:
The CSM Dark Apostle has the Zealot special rule and may also take the Veterans of the Long War special rule (for free). Why would I take VoLW? Does it really give the Apostle anything? If not, then why even list it?

It is pointless just like the codex.

Fixed that for ya

**Mannahnin**

It's there just for fluff, so you can give it to the Dark Apostle if you're making a whole army who are Veterans, so you don't feel weird about him not having it. Because it's mechanically redundant is the reason why it costs zero points.