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So I saw on the internet about how the Dark Angels codex was a rip off, bla bla bla...then I looked at my friend's in the flesh and was pretty impressed. The full, bright colours worked really well and the cover binding looked very smooth.

All in all I can't wait until the Imperial Guard get their new codex

Full color is always nice, but what really sells it for me is the reference section on the back, saves a lot of page turning and reduces the risk of page tearing if you flip through it too fast.

I grant that the new style comes with a lot of perks, I just don't think it justifies the price tag. I have been a GW apologist for a long time, and while I have defended price hikes, Finecast, and several other practices that see lots of Internet outrage threads, I find it hard to see the harcover Codexes as anything but a transparent attempt to charge more for the product.

That being said, I think they ARE better put together than the old ones, and ARE worth a price increase, just not one so high.

The style is nice.

They are not however, worth charging double the price. I used to buy every codex straight from GW just to read them...not any more.

I think the new style of Codex is very nice. I still think the way they have the fluff and rules... but not all the rules... and then some more rules in the armoury... and then some more rules at the end is stupid (just put 'em on one page), but other than that it's fine.

Not at all worth the stupidly inflated price though (hardbacks do not cost that much GW - the ones I get from FFG are better produced and cost less). They'd be the kind've thing I buy because I need to, not because I just want to read it. They're too expensive now just to be books I'll never use.

Griever wrote:
The style is nice.

They are not however, worth charging double the price. I used to buy every codex straight from GW just to read them...not any more.

Seems like a waste to me if ur not playing all those army. And if you just wanted to read them, well, their are other ways to read the codices (I will say no more)

I have not personally seen one of the new codices in person, but from the pics I have seen and retailers is that this style is of very good quality and is a major upgrade, the price seems a little daunting but I will buy a DA codex soon and when C:SM drops I will certainly buy one and it will be top quality.

I think they're great. The fold out reference section is an excellent idea (particularly for chaos and their boon table) and the quality has so far been excellent. Most of my old codices (all 4th edition) have been starting to fall apart for a couple years, something I don't really see happening with the hard cover. Considering this is a book that I'll be referencing alot for 5+ years, $12 (or less) a year isn't so bad for a well put together book with good artwork and nice fluff. The only problem is as others have said. It does make owning all the codices pretty impractical.

Personally I find the best thing about the new format to be the reference section in the end. Having the special rules there instead of needing to go to the middle of the book - and often several different pages there, factoring unit-specific things - is very nice.

Still, the hardcover takes more space when hauling it around - which is why I'll probably just photocopy the army list and reference section to take with me once C:SM and/or C:BT are released - and of course the price 50% price increase is a bit meh.

 BryllCream wrote:
So I saw on the internet about how the Dark Angels codex was a rip off, bla bla bla...then I looked at my friend's in the flesh and was pretty impressed. The full, bright colours worked really well and the cover binding looked very smooth.

All in all I can't wait until the Imperial Guard get their new codex

Take everything you said and invert it.

I hate it and count every day that I don't have one as a good thing.

But you already knew that

 MrMoustaffa wrote:

 BryllCream wrote:
So I saw on the internet about how the Dark Angels codex was a rip off, bla bla bla...then I looked at my friend's in the flesh and was pretty impressed. The full, bright colours worked really well and the cover binding looked very smooth.

All in all I can't wait until the Imperial Guard get their new codex

Take everything you said and invert it.

I hate it and count every day that I don't have one as a good thing.

But you already knew that

But...why? The artwork is gorgeous, everything is laid out neatly...what's to hate?

Artwork is mostly recycled, large price increase for relatively nothing new, hardbacks are a pain to get spiralbound, could give a squig'z arse over better paper, layout is confusing/no better than the old codexes, etc.

I've listed them before. I'll bow out of this thread now, I really shouldn't have posted to begin with in hindsight, as i have nothing to contribute.

My bad, I'll let you guys continue.

Picked up the DA codex yesterday and I really like the new style, feels like a lovely quality product, I'd be scared to take it to lots of games though as it's so nice. Glad I didn't fork out for the collector's edition I wouldn't let it leave the house!

I do like the new style, but when 3rd came out I bought every codex just to have it. RIght now, with the main rulebook costing $70 and each new codex costing $50, I can't justify it. I need to get the rulebook first, and I may just do what I did in 5th and scour eBay for a Dark Vengeance booklet.

But I too am looking forward to the Space Marine, Tyranid and IG codeci.

If you just play one or two armies, I think the hardback is great. Sure, it's really expensive, but it feels more sturdy than a paper book. Like, hypothetically, it's more likely that you'd tear up a paperback due to flipping through and bending the cover and whatnot, maybe to the point of having to buy a new codex. Hardback books aren't as likely to get torn up from general wear and tear, so they'll last longer.

At least, that's my justification for it.

Also, printing in full color isn't cheap, but it looks awesome.

I dig the hardback codex's. Provided they don't fall apart like GWs old hardback books.

I would have liked the choice to either paper or hardback. Most people seem to just say they like the quick reference sheet in the back. I do not like most of the entries. For example the hellbrute. It is almost word for word a chaos dreadnaught. Even about taking the coffin out if the dread/hellbrute to keep it inactive. Hellbrute is supposed to be a living huge creature of chaos. Not a dread walker with a removable pilot. Could just be nitpicking, just felt too much cut and copy for older units.

I like it. As I said last month when this thread came up about he Chaos Codex, it's just 10-15 bucks too high.

I wouldn't know, both of them are marine codices, so I haven't bought either one

They do seem a bit overpriced though, so maybe they're using better materials?

Or... maybe they're just being games workshop. Meh.

 BryllCream wrote:
So I saw on the internet about how the Dark Angels codex was a rip off, bla bla bla...then I looked at my friend's in the flesh and was pretty impressed. The full, bright colours worked really well and the cover binding looked very smooth.

All in all I can't wait until the Imperial Guard get their new codex

They are nice books. The color is looks good. The contents are good. I am also liking how so far neither of the two new books looks to be very over powered and I am hoping that will be a trend going forward.

The only problem for me is the near 100% price increase by going from soft cover to hard cover. I used to like to buy all the codex books just to keep up to speed and see what is out there, but at $49.50 a pop I'm just going to do so anymore.

Beyond the cost issue I am happy with what I see. New units, new models, new options within units. All make me a happy camper. I like options and both new codex books have them in spades. Not being a min/max WAAC cost player it doesn't matter to me that all the options aren't "perfect". In both books the only unit that makes no sense to me are the mutilators from the CSM Codex which are melee only, but slow and purposeful which makes it tough to get close enough to be much of a threat at all.

Skriker

I like the new codex style. I just wish they would hire an editor with the increased price.

I don't mind the decision to go with a hardback codex, but like labmouse42, I'm worried about the durability of the binding and the long-term quality of the product. Looks pretty decent and the newer artwork (or the stuff I've seen less of, such as the cover and those like it) is amazing. My biggest issue, however, is the cost.

A few people have said that they believe having codices of the armies you don't play is superfluous and I think that, while I respect your opinion, I do not share it. The more I know about the opposition, the better I can build an army with the forces I DO play with, to try and mitigate any really unpleasant surprises. That way, for instance, when I see a Death Company charging across the board, I don't say to myself, "let me put this good unit in front of them" but instead, this crummy one that with bog it down for turns. Or like being surprised by one of the Dark Eldar exotic weapons.

To that end, knowing the other codices is important and why I have, in the past, bought all of them. At $50 each, plus the rule book, if they all go hard-cover, that's almost a thousand dollars ($870) just on the primary books! Just a bit ludicrous if you ask me.

The new cost(I know not directly related to the change to hard cover and full color) is a bit to high, but I do like the new looks of the codex's.


Plus I found my new Dark Angels codex at a hobby store for $33

I Like my Hardback. The illustrations and pictures are gorgeous. However Charging 50 dollars for it seems more than excessive.

 conker249 wrote:
I would have liked the choice to either paper or hardback. Most people seem to just say they like the quick reference sheet in the back. I do not like most of the entries. For example the hellbrute. It is almost word for word a chaos dreadnaught. Even about taking the coffin out if the dread/hellbrute to keep it inactive. Hellbrute is supposed to be a living huge creature of chaos. Not a dread walker with a removable pilot. Could just be nitpicking, just felt too much cut and copy for older units.

Actually if you read the entry the Helbrute is *not* supposed to be a living huge creature of chaos. Even in the Dark Vengeance box it is made clear that the Helbrute has someone encased inside of it to control it. It is a chaos dreadnought. It is just called something different now and the base model in DV is just much more corrupted by chaos instead of the previous model that looks like a dreadnought with more spikes. The helbrute harkens back to the days of the early chaos dreadnoughts that looked like they were living entities, but were still dreads. They just looked more corrupted.

Not sure where you are getting the "the Helbrute is supposed to be a living huge creature of chaos" from since it is spelled out everywhere that such is not the case.

Skriker

I guess I was mistaken. Just an opinion. I really do like the codex as a whole. Just wish it had more chaos gods stuff like sacred numbers and all. Very playable codex.

At the risk of being repetitive, I think that full colour Codices = good, major price increase = bad.

 Skriker wrote:
The only problem for me is the near 100% price increase by going from soft cover to hard cover. I used to like to buy all the codex books just to keep up to speed and see what is out there, but at $49.50 a pop I'm just going to do so anymore.

Hmm, at least in Finland the price hike was exactly 50%, from 26 euros to 39 euros. Especially considering how short the BT Codex is, I suppose compared to it the newer hardbacks are indeed better value

Price is a bit of an issue, but I do really prefer the new codices to the old paperback style.

That being said, they have their flaws, as do all things, but at least my CSM codex hasn't fallen apart yet............yet.

 conker249 wrote:
I guess I was mistaken. Just an opinion. I really do like the codex as a whole. Just wish it had more chaos gods stuff like sacred numbers and all. Very playable codex.

Nothing wrong with having an opinion. Only thing is that your opinion won't necessarily be reflected in the rules. You can certainly state that your helbrutes are more living chaos creatures in your army and model them as such with some cool conversions combining the DV helbrute and some other creature bits from various lines. They would make for some really cool models and it would not keep them from working just fine on the table top based on the actual rules either.

Skriker


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 tvih wrote:

Hmm, at least in Finland the price hike was exactly 50%, from 26 euros to 39 euros. Especially considering how short the BT Codex is, I suppose compared to it the newer hardbacks are indeed better value

True dat! The prices on some of those smaller codecies was pricey indeed. Never ended up wih the Black Templars book in my library. By the time it came out I already had too many marine books as it was I felt. Being here it is interesting to see that they have generated quite a following and still have their followers despite having an old and out of date book. I started out in Rogue trader with a genestealer chaos cult and expanded fully into chaos there and have had chaos armies in one form or another constantly since then so I can respect that. Generally whatever is in the CSM codex is how I use all the minis I have already and doesn't determine if I will stop playing chaos or not. Stopping playing chaos isn't an option at all...

Skriker