"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (Update 27th February. Available again in Europe)

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**Kroothawk**

faeit212 wrote:OK readers, its now official. I have the information for what will be in Death from the Skies and of course I am sharing all of it that I am allowed to. Here are the details.

No longer a rumor. Even I had concerns the image above was photoshop'd, but it is the real cover. There are no flyer releases listed out from what I have seen. Hopefully next month?

I also wonder which version of the Stormraven codex Space Marines and Black Templar will be able to use.

Death From the Skies (Direct only – Range item) 60040199031
sale through Direct on Saturday 16th February (no advanced order)
•A 72p full colour, softback, Warhammer 40,000 Compendium
•Contains a fantastic showcase of flyers available to collectors, beautifully painted by the ‘Eavy Metal team
•Contains all the updated 6th Edition rules for the following Flyers:
- Stormraven (that can now be used in Codex: Space Marines and Codex: Black Templars) and Stormtalon Gunship
- Valkyrie and Vendetta
- Ork Dakka Jet, Burna Bommer and Blitza Bommer
- Necron Night Scythe and Doom Scythe
- Dark Eldar Razorwing and Void Raven

•Includes the rules for the Space Marine Stormtalon Gunship and Ork Bommer previously available in WD
•Contains cool new content – new scenarios as well as the Dog-fighting rules from Crusade of Fire
•This compendium will be promoted on the web and by the blog
•English language only
•Please note: This product will go out of stock for short periods if demand is high

**Insurgency Walker**

So it will be direct only. Well at least GW remembered to throw BT a bone.

**d3m01iti0n**

Chapterhouse SR upgrade ordered

**Mr Morden**

Kroothawk wrote:
faeit212 wrote:OK readers, its now official. I have the information for what will be in Death from the Skies and of course I am sharing all of it that I am allowed to. Here are the details.

No longer a rumor. Even I had concerns the image above was photoshop'd, but it is the real cover. There are no flyer releases listed out from what I have seen. Hopefully next month?

I also wonder which version of the Stormraven codex Space Marines and Black Templar will be able to use.

Death From the Skies (Direct only – Range item) 60040199031
sale through Direct on Saturday 16th February (no advanced order)
•A 72p full colour, softback, Warhammer 40,000 Compendium
•Contains a fantastic showcase of flyers available to collectors, beautifully painted by the ‘Eavy Metal team
•Contains all the updated 6th Edition rules for the following Flyers:
- Stormraven (that can now be used in Codex: Space Marines and Codex: Black Templars) and Stormtalon Gunship
- Valkyrie and Vendetta
- Ork Dakka Jet, Burna Bommer and Blitza Bommer
- Necron Night Scythe and Doom Scythe
- Dark Eldar Razorwing and Void Raven

•Includes the rules for the Space Marine Stormtalon Gunship and Ork Bommer previously available in WD
•Contains cool new content – new scenarios as well as the Dog-fighting rules from Crusade of Fire
•This compendium will be promoted on the web and by the blog
•English language only
•Please note: This product will go out of stock for short periods if demand is high

so the worst possible version.

Givesome Marines a new toy - F&%K everyone else and ignore the known problems with other current flyers - awesome..............

**Ravenous D**

So if you own a dakka jet you have to shell out $40 full price on their website for a limited time.... where to start, where to start.

**Hulksmash**

Where are you guys getting a limited time? It's a general release item. They are just warning that they may have to do another print run if this item is popular.

Also I'd be surprised if stores didn't have the ability to carry it. Just like Crusade of Fire (which actually was a limited release) stores do tend to have the ability to get these items, abliet at a lower discount sometimes.

As for the actual content I'm a little sad that Space Wolves don't get the option to use a flyer but otherwise it's pretty much what I expected. Doubt I'll be dropping the cash on it personally.

**Vaktathi**

As much as one would have hoped for this book to be more relevant, I'm not surprised it's just a reprint of existing content with the only new thing being that BT's and SM's can take Stormravens...

This would have been a great opportunity to patch some of the issues with individual flyers (primarily the drastically overcapable/undercosted AV12 ones) and introduce some AA weapons and flyers for those factions that currently lack them (Forgeworld notwithstanding), ensuring that nearly every 40k player would buy this book.

As is, unless you're playing vanilla SM's or BT's, or are using one of the flyers that only got WD rules and are incapable of hunting for a PDF, there's really no reason to buy this book.

**Nasakenai**

If there's nothing overly exciting in it, I'll be reading the rules and remembering them when I field stormravens with my Ultramarines instead of buying the book.

Fortunately for me, I already have 2 stormravens painted in my army scheme as well, so I won't have to be shelling out any cash this time around.

Probably touching a third rail here, but if they came out with a thunderhawk kit, I would happily seperate myself from a few benjamins for it.

**Shandara**

Strange that there's nothing about the rumored flyers for the other races.

You'd think that IF that rumors were true it'd coincide with this publication.

**Compel**

Oh yay, more sheep buying storm ravens.

Come on Antares, please be awesome. I'm fed up of this GW rubbish...

**d3m01iti0n**

He did say he would share the info he was "allowed to share". Im sure if there is an upcoming flyer wave that the rules are in this book. I imagine by now GW knows everybody is aware of the book and the new Stormraven availability. If they have new models and rules you know for damn sure they are keeping the lid on it until the last minute.

Compel wrote:
Oh yay, more sheep buying storm ravens.

Come on Antares, please be awesome. I'm fed up of this GW rubbish...

Have fun! I hear the non-GW threads are spectacular.

**pizzaguardian**

no new flyers for space puppies?

**Crimson**

pizzaguardian wrote:
no new flyers for space puppies?

They will get ridable giant wolves with pegasus wings.

**Unix**

Hulksmash wrote:
Where are you guys getting a limited time? It's a general release item. They are just warning that they may have to do another print run if this item is popular.

Also I'd be surprised if stores didn't have the ability to carry it. Just like Crusade of Fire (which actually was a limited release) stores do tend to have the ability to get these items, abliet at a lower discount sometimes.

As for the actual content I'm a little sad that Space Wolves don't get the option to use a flyer but otherwise it's pretty much what I expected. Doubt I'll be dropping the cash on it personally.

I might be misreading the intent in their statements, but I don't don't think people are complaining from a perception that the release will be limited, but rather that you have to spend $40 for rules that are basically a patch and only affect one model in your army.

In other words if you only play one of the armies affected by this book, which I imagine represents the majority of players, the thought of having to spending more than the cost of a codex for access to rules for a single unit, which will be made obsolete in less time than the codex (since it's already a couple of years since the codex release) is ludicrous, especially if it's also available through direct only.

**Hulksmash**

Ravenous D wrote:
So if you own a dakka jet you have to shell out $40 full price on their website for a limited time.... where to start, where to start.

The bold is mine. And it's been a pretty common theme among the complainers. In addition to having to buy the book for rules that were published in White Dwarf.

**MajorStoffer**

Nothing of interest to me there; I have no interest in buying what will be an overpriced book direct from GW, and get stuck with their shipping costs and artifical Canadian prices; if my FLGS carried it with US prices, I might consider it, but even then, it'd be iffy. I might've bought one for the group, left it at the store for general use.

As it is, no thanks GW, I'll pass. How about make a compendium worth getting which addresses flyer imbalance by adding AA weapons worth using for each faction? Oh, or a plastic Hydra? Or maybe an Apoc update, I'd get that, or any other of the various subjects I'd like to see addressed.

A book full of existent fliers with "updated rules" likely amounting to listing the hull points, and releasing marine fliers to other marine factions, with "dogfighting rules" for a game poorly suited to fliers, nevermind the complicated nature of airborne combat? Excuse me while I yawn.

**Eldarain**

I suppose it's too optimistic of me to hope that "all the updated 6th edition rules" means anything other than adding "flyer" to the entry.

**morgendonner**

It'll likely have the various faq errata's for their entrys. I.E. the NS entry will say that they have invasion beams etc.

**Unix**

Hulksmash wrote:
Ravenous D wrote:
So if you own a dakka jet you have to shell out $40 full price on their website for a limited time.... where to start, where to start.

The bold is mine. And it's been a pretty common theme among the complainers. In addition to having to buy the book for rules that were published in White Dwarf.

Yeah you might be right and it might be my own bias since I remember the campaign codices that GW put out, like the Black Crusade Codex with the Cadian rules that were good for all of three months. I just know that since it's new edition time, a new space marine codex has to be on the horizon, so if you're a marine player you're stuck paying for rules to update rules that are only 6 months old and will only be useable themselves for a short time.

**Slayer le boucher**

Yeah updated 6th rules in english only and only availble via GW direct...so players from other countries who doesn't speak/read english and can't order online, just need to take a piss?...

I can't wait to see a tournament where 3 guys have the book, and the others don't to see how the umpire will make decisions...

**Sidstyler**

morgendonner wrote:
It'll likely have the various faq errata's for their entrys. I.E. the NS entry will say that they have invasion beams etc.

I'd laugh so hard if it didn't, and this book was quite literally a quick copy-paste job without even the relevant errata to make an easy buck.

**Nasakenai**

Next we can look forward to a "Armories of the 41st Millenium" supplement for the low price of $35 containing exciting new rules such as:

- Ability to take flakk missiles for some armies that don't have them.

- Clarification on how many squads can engage in a Deathwing Assault.

- Awesome new pictures of some flakk missile launchers and Deathwing Terminators, as well as some new artwork of an Ultramarine shooting down a Helldrake.

**insaniak**

Davor wrote:
So if one person has the Death from the Skies book and another doesn't, can the player who doesn't have is say "we don't use DftS" can the person with it say they have too use it?

You can't force someone to play you, regardless of whether or not the book has 'official' stamped across the cover. If this book has rules in it that are different to the codex, you can bet your bottom dollar that some players will refuse to accept it as legal (after all, there is no mention in the rulebook of 'compendiums' being needed to play the game!)

It will be the Wargear book all over again. That was also marked as an 'official' update, and many players simply refused to accept that any of the changes included in it were anything other than errors.

**tvih**

One thing's for sure, anyone trying to prevent me from using a Stormraven with my BT or SM - assuming the whole shebang is indeed entirely accurate - once the book is released can kiss my fat arse

**Nerobellum**

Well, this is pointless. I'll play ball with GW if they put new flyers/rules/whatever in there, but if you aren't playing BT or SM, it's literally redundant.

**tuiman**

Shame they didn't open up the stormtalon to other codex's as well, would quite like to feild one in my grey knights army, but oh well.

I wonder what will be updated, as I know a lots of guard players that run triple vendettas, I guess a points increase would be to good to be true.

**catharsix**

Anyone know if this book will occasion a price hike for flyers? The Necron flyer is still a relatively reasonable price... not $75 like the Stormtalon. Should I get one while the price is good?

-C6

**Kingsley**

catharsix wrote:
Anyone know if this book will occasion a price hike for flyers? The Necron flyer is still a relatively reasonable price... not $75 like the Stormtalon. Should I get one while the price is good?

-C6

Stormtalons are 45 USD, not 75. Price increases typically do not occur in February, though I suppose it is possible.

**Lorizael**

insaniak wrote:
If this book has rules in it that are different to the codex, you can bet your bottom dollar that some players will refuse to accept it as legal (after all, there is no mention in the rulebook of 'compendiums' being needed to play the game!)

It will be the Wargear book all over again. That was also marked as an 'official' update, and many players simply refused to accept that any of the changes included in it were anything other than errors.

Some people take this game too seriously. Players that pick and choose their rules or refuse to play using certain armies/updates/rules generally aren't people worth playing...

**H.B.M.C.**

Unlike a lot of people, I didn't immediately dismiss Crusade of Fire when it was announced. I even bought the book, and I think it's great.

So with that preamble out of the way, this new book GW is putting out seems like a complete waste of time. The only really 'new' thing are the Space-Guppy and Ork Bomba rules which you cannot obtain outside of iOS. It has stuff I already have in Crusade of Fire, and a bunch of pictures that show off flyers... yay?

I mean, if you really want a Chibi-Hawk for your Marines then, ok, fine, but I already own two Chibi-Hawks and never had any intention of fielding them, so what do I care?