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 pretre wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Well i think that will make it an easy decision for a lot of people not to purchase this.

Why, because it is direct only? That hasn't stopped Crusade of Fire from selling out or the limited editions. I already am in the process of trying to pre-order DftS.

Crusade of Fire was available at my FLGS for me to peruse before deciding not to buy it.
If this isn't then I'm guaranteed not to buy it.

This is no different that CoF. They were both direct only. We know what is in it. If your FLGS ordered CoF, they will probably order this as well.

Tempest in a teacup.

My local shop had CoF in stock, I had reserved the damn thing. They even called to let me know it was in. Of course I turned it down once I learned BT got Fighter Ace rules but couldnt use them.

Guess Ill call and reserve this thing IF they get it, which is exactly what I did last time. Then look at it when Im in-store.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Of course I turned it down once I learned BT got Fighter Ace rules but couldnt use them.

Hmm, it is as if CoF was written with the knowledge that BT would get fliers in the near future. Weird.

Like how the Nephilim has Missile Lock and the Darkshroud has both Stealth and the rule where it can't get Stealth from Darkshrouds.

But still, why would they put in rules for BT getting Fighter Ace when the book that gives them flyers would probably give them the same thing CoF did?

 pretre wrote:

 d3m01iti0n wrote:
Of course I turned it down once I learned BT got Fighter Ace rules but couldnt use them.

Hmm, it is as if CoF was written with the knowledge that BT would get fliers in the near future. Weird.

Who knows with GW. I may not have got a flyer til a new codex in 2014. I can memorize one page of Fighter Ace rules.

 Savageconvoy wrote:


But still, why would they put in rules for BT getting Fighter Ace when the book that gives them flyers would probably give them the same thing CoF did?

My point exactly. CoF wouldnt benefit me in any way. There is no advance notice with those people. If GW had their gak together and said "BT will get flyers in a month or two" I probably would have pick my reserved copy up. But Im glad I held out, because by the looks of thing this book will cover everything.

 d3m01iti0n wrote:

 Savageconvoy wrote:


But still, why would they put in rules for BT getting Fighter Ace when the book that gives them flyers would probably give them the same thing CoF did?

My point exactly. CoF wouldnt benefit me in any way. For all I knew at the time, we wouldnt get flyers until a new codex in 2014. If GW had their gak together and said "BT will get flyers in a month or two" I probably would have pick my reserved copy up. But Im glad I held out, because by the looks of thing this book will cover everything.

Maybe they have said this, did you check their Facebook page?

Oh, wait...

I got a transcript of one of their planning sessions for CoF.

I would have been happy with the Talon for my Wolves, but oh well. I'll live somehow

I'm sure a local store will have it and I'll likely pick it up to add to the gaming library. Granted I'll likely scan it in for my Nook since I like to keep all my books/codexes/pdf's in one easily accessible spot.

 pretre wrote:

UNCLEBADTOUCH wrote:
Well i think that will make it an easy decision for a lot of people not to purchase this.

Why, because it is direct only? That hasn't stopped Crusade of Fire from selling out or the limited editions. I already am in the process of trying to pre-order DftS.

Well if anyone is looking: Vanguard Games in Reedsburg WI still has 2 copies of CoF. Been sitting on the shelf since release.

 thehod wrote:
I got a transcript of one of their planning sessions for CoF.

they could have given them to chaos....


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 Niiai wrote:
Things I would like to see:

Vendetta getting a good price increase.

Dark Eldar flyers getting vector strike. (Fits with the fluff.)

The harpy gets re-worked and becomes useful. It is suppose to be our anti air. It cannot damage air. ^_^

Stormtallon Gunship for SW.

If they are just re-printing old rules...man that would be bad.

DE flyers should get vector dancer, not vector strike. I dont know how the pilot is supposed to reach out and grab things he passes over.

Valkaries and Vendettas should go to AV11 and have a price increase. 120/150

Chaos should get stormravens, without marchine spirit


I would really like the void weaponry on the bomber to be ap1

So... the book is supposedly going to appear tomorrow and still nothing... or is it just going on advance order tomorrow?

GW's individual store FB pages have been talking about the super secret release.

Probably advanced order tomorrow per usual, but who can say?

 Exergy wrote:

DE flyers should get vector dancer, not vector strike. I dont know how the pilot is supposed to reach out and grab things he passes over.

Valkaries and Vendettas should go to AV11 and have a price increase. 120/150

Chaos should get stormravens, without marchine spirit


I would really like the void weaponry on the bomber to be ap1

A price increase on Valkyries?
Are you serious?

Vendettas are the problem, not Valkyries.

 pretre wrote:
GW's individual store FB pages have been talking about the super secret release.

Not the Australia ones

SpikeyBitz claims it's confirmed to be announced/released tonight.

Well, it looks to be officially called a 'compendium'. I think odds of it having anything new is low.

I can't believe that message. "Hey guys, get excited. This book is only available by us, only in one language, and I'm not going to tell you anything that it contains. But trust me, you really want it."

I'm really just waiting for the day that GW just starts offering people a $350 mystery box on their site. And even when 90% of the people get upset that the mystery box is empty, 10% will defend GW because they got a $23 model in their mystery box.

SUPER SECRET!!! I wonder what it is? Oh that sneaky Games Workshop, always suprising us........

 Savageconvoy wrote:
I can't believe that message. "Hey guys, get excited. This book is only available by us, only in one language, and I'm not going to tell you anything that it contains. But trust me, you really want it."

I'm really just waiting for the day that GW just starts offering people a $350 mystery box on their site. And even when 90% of the people get upset that the mystery box is empty, 10% will defend GW because they got a $23 model in their mystery box.

Hey, they'd have paid for shipping too!

 Kanluwen wrote:

A price increase on Valkyries?
Are you serious?

Vendettas are the problem, not Valkyries.

Uh. Compared to basically every other flier out there the Valkyrie is cheap as chips. Yes, Vendetta's by far the bigger problem, but the Valkyrie is still an AV12 flyer for the base cost of mere 100 points!

The thing with calls, especially the 100pt ones are, all they are is a multi laser and 1/3rd of a missile launcher that for all intents purposes let's a unit deep strike. Not that massive a deal... A flying taxi.... Especially since all they are carrying is guardsmen. So its not like its a unit of necron immortals or anything, like the night scythe. So not exactly a big worry for the game.

Rocket pods do make things a bit more interesting though. That then turns the unit into an actual gunship. At which point, you do ask the question of whether the unit is priced appropriately as an independent unit. Answer is, well, to be honest... Probably not....


You then have things get significantly screwier with the vendettas pricing, which very few people can even try to excuse in sixth edition

 tvih wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:

A price increase on Valkyries?
Are you serious?

Vendettas are the problem, not Valkyries.

Uh. Compared to basically every other flier out there the Valkyrie is cheap as chips. Yes, Vendetta's by far the bigger problem, but the Valkyrie is still an AV12 flyer for the base cost of mere 100 points!

As Compel mentioned, what do you really get for 100 points?

You get a single AV12 flyer with two one shot weapons, a Multilaser, a Searchlight, and the capability to carry Guardsmen (or Veterans/Stormtroopers) into combat.
For 30 points more, you ditch the one shot weapons and Multilaser for 3x twin linked Lascannons.
The Valkyrie by itself would not be really a worthwhile choice. If the Vendetta did not exist, I would be shocked to see a Valkyrie on the field outside of players who like the model.

I'm not scared of the Valkyrie nor do I care either way if it gets hit by a point-nerf bat. However, that's still much better than the Hell Blade a just over 100 points for AV10/10/10, 2 reaper auto cannons, and no transport capability.

But the vendetta, as has been argued ad naseum, is pointed as a fast skimmer when it's actually the king flier right now.

Hell Blade is Forge World; things being point valued correctly is as rare as silliness being unfun.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hell Blade is Forge World; things being point valued correctly is as rare as silliness being unfun.

Fair enough. But the nerf bat is coming. If not in this flier update, in the next IG codex update. The Valkyrie is to the Vendetta as a kick to the jimmies is a nice bourbon on the rocks...

 kronk wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Hell Blade is Forge World; things being point valued correctly is as rare as silliness being unfun.

Fair enough. But the nerf bat is coming. If not in this flier update, in the next IG codex update. The Valkyrie is to the Vendetta as a kick to the jimmies is a nice bourbon on the rocks...

No doubt.

I'll give a fair shout right now to Games Workshop:
If you just straight up squat the Vendetta and instead add the Vulture, I'll buy two more so I can have a flight of Vultures and Valkyries both.

 kronk wrote:


But the vendetta, as has been argued ad naseum, is pointed as a fast skimmer when it's actually the king flier right now.

One reason I hope they smack it's points or it's stats. All the skimmer's seem like they should have been hit with at least a point change FAQ the second they were changed to "Flyers". Sort of sad that the Stormraven is apparently being unlocked... but not for either of the Marine chapters I have. Really making me want the Storm Eagle more instead.

As if the Vendetta wasn't crazy good when it was just a skimmer.