"Death from the Skies" 40k Supplement (Update 27th February. Available again in Europe)

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**Compel**

KaryudoDS wrote:
kronk wrote:

Sort of sad that the Stormraven is apparently being unlocked... but not for either of the Marine chapters I have. Really making me want the Storm Eagle more instead.

Although it is really old news, I noticed that in the latest Warhammer world campaign, you can use a Storm Eagle...

**kronk**

Bad quote mix-up there, Compel...

**Compel**

Whoopsie, at least it wasn't anything insulting!

**tvih**

Kanluwen wrote:
As Compel mentioned, what do you really get for 100 points?

You get a single AV12 flyer with two one shot weapons, a Multilaser, a Searchlight, and the capability to carry Guardsmen (or Veterans/Stormtroopers) into combat.
For 30 points more, you ditch the one shot weapons and Multilaser for 3x twin linked Lascannons.
The Valkyrie by itself would not be really a worthwhile choice. If the Vendetta did not exist, I would be shocked to see a Valkyrie on the field outside of players who like the model.

For 100 points, not much firepower at all, but even with the TLLC+MRP+HB upgrades it's still only 155 points. Which is the same cost as a Stormtalon with a weapon upgrade but now with more firepower against ground targets, and far superior durability. And the transport capability for those who might want that. Compared to Nephilim it's still more durable, and still more firepower, still the transport capacity... at 25 points less cost.

Is it broken? No, at least compared to some other flyers. Certainly not overcosted either, though. In an anti-horde-infantry role at 140 (MLas+MRP+HB) it's certainly better than many others.

**Kanluwen**

tvih wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:
As Compel mentioned, what do you really get for 100 points?

You get a single AV12 flyer with two one shot weapons, a Multilaser, a Searchlight, and the capability to carry Guardsmen (or Veterans/Stormtroopers) into combat.
For 30 points more, you ditch the one shot weapons and Multilaser for 3x twin linked Lascannons.
The Valkyrie by itself would not be really a worthwhile choice. If the Vendetta did not exist, I would be shocked to see a Valkyrie on the field outside of players who like the model.

For 100 points, not much firepower at all, but even with the TLLC+MRP+HB upgrades it's still only 155 points. Which is the same cost as a Stormtalon with a weapon upgrade but now with more firepower against ground targets, and far superior durability. And the transport capability for those who might want that. Compared to Nephilim it's still more durable, and still more firepower, still the transport capacity... at 25 points less cost.

Is it broken? No, at least compared to some other flyers. Certainly not overcosted either, though. In an anti-horde-infantry role at 140 (MLas+MRP+HB) it's certainly better than many others.

Unless there has been an update I missed, that 155 point Valkyrie doesn't get you twin linked lascannons. It gets you a single Lascannon, 2x Multi Rocket Pods, and twin Sponson Heavy Bolters.

**Kroothawk**

ihavetoomuchminis over at Warseer wrote:Flyers rumours again? Too soon....

MiyamatoMusashi over at Warseer wrote:Hmm? What's that? The flyer rumour has been recycled again?
Wake me up when someone halfway reliable says the same thing.

Dryaktylus over at Warseer wrote:
english language only

They.Will.Not.Do.This. No way. Unless they publish the rules in WD. And then - who would bye the book?

Romanus over at Warseer wrote:I can say with authority that this hasn't been heard of by any store so far. There seems to be alot of people around trying to spread misinformation about GW lately and citing "can't be named anonymous sources" as gospel, weather for there own gain, or some imagined slight they have received from GW.

Guyver 3 over at Warseer wrote:I dont believe this simply because of the stormraven part.
if they'd said the stormtalon id think it more probable but bt getting a stormraven!
This is very salty, very salty indeed!

daemonish over at Warseer wrote:I'm so sick of seeing this thread can we not get the admins to close all thread that have the word "fliers" from the rumours section until there are some actual pictures.

wyvirn over at Warseer wrote:Aren't most of these rumors from a guy who claimed to have seen the full book in a store a month before it's up for preorder? Paint me the usual skeptical, the story just doesn't add up.

Bartali over at Warseer wrote:Yeah, my thoughts exactly. It also includes the annual "Stormravens for everyone* !" rumour
*Well, SM and BT
I find the certainty by which people state rumours as fact when it's more or less a red shirt told me... and then other people take it as gospel and spend 20+ pages arguing about it...
Since the rumour clampdown, most of the rumour threads are hilarious and I'm sure an attempt by someone at 1d4chan or similar to troll
No mention in the Feb White Dwarf either says it's not happening, or at best, it's a digital download for WD flier rules with a direct only pamphlet for those that don't have a iPad.

EpicWargamer over at Warseer wrote:Sorry, but the pic seems fake. I am trying to make sense of where the pic originated. If it was photo, where is the sheen common to GW? Feels like 'leaked 6th'...
Plus someone that posts a photo perfectly from above, avoids sheen, and crops it is wrong IMHO.
Also I increased the image size in paint, and the letters are perfectly aligned, not likely in a photo.
The picture is small, which allows a blur that makes the photo look real.
The Warhammer 40000 logo is not centered on the page, its way off - to the right. Compendium is not centered under Warhammer, its 2 pixels off.
Where is the spine?

Danny 76 over at Warseer wrote:The graphical around the 40k logo and each other bit on top of the art blurs into the picture, it's too pixelated around just those points, you'd only get that on the main picture when created, not when taking a photo of it.
GW don't leave large pixelated blurs on any of their stuff.
Some of your points don't count if this was a scan or original piece rather than a photo of the physical item in hand etc.
but all the inconsistencies with the production itself that you mention. GW aren't that sloppy.
So definitely inclined to agree it could be fake

Lath-rael over at Warseer wrote:I will eat my hat if it's the cover of the book (if there's such book).

Porlock over at Warseer wrote:Even with Faeit saying it's "official" - I won't believe this until I see it on GW's homepage. It still all sounds a bit fishy to me...

Hunchkrot over at Warseer wrote:The main thing that stinks about this rumor for me, is that it doesn't mention an update for the harpy.

Seems I didn't make this rumour up after all:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod1950012a

Death From The Skies

Death from the Skies brings the white-knuckle intensity of aerial combat in the 41st Millennium to your tabletop, featuring selected material from White Dwarf magazine, the Crusade of Fire supplement and exclusive new content. Exclusively available from games-workshop.com, this 72-page, full colour softback compendium book is crammed with background information, gaming ideas and hobby inspiration to help you bring the battle for air superiority to life.

It includes: a detailed account of the Battle for Cardrim, featuring White Scars Space Marines, Necrons and Orks locked in a deadly battle for control of a vital airfield; four new Air War missions that showcase the lightning-fast nature of aerial warfare; optional rules for dogfighting and veteran fighter aces for your Warhammer 40,000 games; and a showcase of beautifully painted Flyers from the 'Eavy Metal collection.

There are rules for using the Stormraven Gunship with a Codex: Space Marines and Black Templars army; updated rules for the range of Warhammer 40,000 Flyer models, including new bestiary and army list entries for the following codexes: Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Necrons, Orks and Space Marines.

Please note: Death from the Skies is available in English language only.

**Azreal13**

including new bestiary and army list entries for the following codexes: Black Templars, Blood Angels, Dark Eldar, Grey Knights, Imperial Guard, Necrons, Orks and Space Marines.

Don't know if this worries or interests me....

**Peregrine**

Kroothawk wrote:
Flight of the Valkyries ( two Imperial Guard Valkyries and two metal Imperial Guard Cadian Kasrkin Squads) £133.00
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod1960015a

Wow. Nice job GW, you somehow found a way to make the bundles even worse by making them advance order only. So not only do you not get any kind of discount, you have to wait longer to get your models than if you'd just bought them individually.

**Polonius**

The question is: is this a rules update, as in updating the rules from all the Erratas involved with the edition change? Or is this a rules update to mean actual new rules?

**Azreal13**

Peregrine wrote:
Kroothawk wrote:
Flight of the Valkyries ( two Imperial Guard Valkyries and two metal Imperial Guard Cadian Kasrkin Squads) £133.00
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod1960015a

Wow. Nice job GW, you somehow found a way to make the bundles even worse by making them advance order only. So not only do you not get any kind of discount, you have to wait longer to get your models than if you'd just bought them individually.

Well, except its released tomorrow....

**Etched In Pride**

Anyone remember years ago when the dropped the apoc book? And the awesome bundles that came along with it that saved you a decent amount of money if you bought them? WTF happened?

**winterman**

Stormraven is listed as a heavy support in the SM section now. It also has a new description. Of note:

Finally, the Stormraven Gunship comes with a mind-boggling and formidable array of weapons including: twin-linked assault cannons, twin-linked heavy bolters, plasma cannons, lascannons, multi-meltas, typhoon missile launcher, mindstrike missiles, bloodstrike missiles and stormstrike missiles.

**Breotan**

featuring selected material from White Dwarf magazine

Seriously?

**Compel**

So, is this in the UK GW's from tomorrow then?

**MarkyMark**

Wow, you can buy a bundle of 3 storm talons! for 82.50gbp, or buy them seperate for 82.50 what the actual hell,

**clively**

Etched In Pride wrote:
Anyone remember years ago when the dropped the apoc book? And the awesome bundles that came along with it that saved you a decent amount of money if you bought them? WTF happened?

They figured out that 40kers (like me) will buy even without a discount. So why bother?

Automatically Appended Next Post:

MarkyMark wrote:
Wow, you can buy a bundle of 3 storm talons! for 82.50gbp, or buy them seperate for 82.50 what the actual hell,

I think you are mixing a few things up. A Storm Talon is 27.50.

**DiabolicAl**

clively wrote:
Etched In Pride wrote:
Anyone remember years ago when the dropped the apoc book? And the awesome bundles that came along with it that saved you a decent amount of money if you bought them? WTF happened?

They figured out that 40kers (like me) will buy even without a discount. So why bother?

Automatically Appended Next Post:

MarkyMark wrote:
Wow, you can buy a bundle of 3 storm talons! for 82.50gbp, or buy them seperate for 82.50 what the actual hell,

I think you are mixing a few things up. A Storm Talon is 27.50.

and 27.50 x 3 is.....?

**Breotan**

clively wrote:
MarkyMark wrote:
Wow, you can buy a bundle of 3 storm talons! for 82.50gbp, or buy them seperate for 82.50 what the actual hell,
I think you are mixing a few things up. A Storm Talon is 27.50.

He meant that buying three separately is the same price as buying the one-click bundle.

**hotsauceman1**

Guys you are forgetting, you save on tax. and shipping.

**MarkyMark**

Shipping is free if you spend over 10pounds on the GW UK site, and tax, VAT is included in the price

**Ravenous D**

Compel wrote:
So, is this in the UK GW's from tomorrow then?

Now its advanced order, so 2 weeks away.

@Kroothawk: Yeah I got the same guff when I handed over the info for the new paint names complete with a scan of the colours, "Oh those are clearly fake" bunch of stupids...

**Kroothawk**

Ravenous D wrote:
@Kroothawk: Yeah I got the same guff when I handed over the info for the new paint names complete with a scan of the colours, "Oh those are clearly fake" bunch of stupids...

Sometimes it is fun to just lean back and watch that bunch making themselves ridiculous in public

I feel bad for the few rumour posters left on Warseer though.

**pretre**

Guess I might need to do some updating on Monday. Did I have you down for this one KH?

**Kroothawk**

pretre wrote:
Guess I might need to do some updating on Monday. Did I have you down for this one KH?

Just wait 12 hours until it is clear, all is released on 16th, then give me my 2 ticks

**Azreal13**

Ravenous D wrote:
Compel wrote:
So, is this in the UK GW's from tomorrow then?

Now its advanced order, so 2 weeks away.

@Kroothawk: Yeah I got the same guff when I handed over the info for the new paint names complete with a scan of the colours, "Oh those are clearly fake" bunch of stupids...

It's listed in new releases, not advance order (which is typically a week anyway) and I'm sure I've seen 16th Feb somewhere, but can't find where.

**nkelsch**

and a quote from my local store's facebook page:

"This is NOT a limited book, it WILL sell out and WILL be unavailable while we reprint more copies. "

So they made it available for all and it is not limited... It seems to be exactly what everyone has been asking for.

But yet people will still find reasons to justify piracy.

**Peregrine**

nkelsch wrote:
But yet people will still find reasons to justify piracy.

That's not too hard, given that it's $33 for a couple WD pdfs and a reprint of the rules we already have. Oh yeah, and a reprint of the awful dogfight rules from the campaign book nobody cared about. TBH the hardest thing to justify about pirating it would be wasting the bandwidth on such a horrible book.

**BarBoBot**

placed my order to ship site to store and the end cost was just under $36. I guess I'll have to wait and see whats been nerfed and whats been buffed before I know if it was worth it lol

**Kroothawk**

nkelsch wrote:
It seems to be exactly what everyone has been asking for.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, isn't t?

With mail order only, English only, no new content except retconning the fluff for Storm Ravens etc.

**Happygrunt**

I am confused. Will I need to buy this book so I can play my blood angels and IG? Or are they only updating rules to fit in what changed in the errata?