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 Kroothawk wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
It seems to be exactly what everyone has been asking for.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, isn't t?
With mail order only, English only, no new content except retconning the fluff for Storm Ravens etc.

yeah, seems like a wasted effort to me.

 Kroothawk wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
It seems to be exactly what everyone has been asking for.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, isn't t?
With mail order only, English only, no new content except retconning the fluff for Storm Ravens etc.

Funny, I can get it locally in my GW store... and the thing people have been asking for is rules for the models released since they can't get the WD or the IOS digital download. So now that they give exactly what people asked for you guys sit there and say "well it should have been new rules for new models."

And initial release in the primary language of the 3 countries with thier majority base is something to complain about? I guess they really can never do right.

This is a cool release...

nkelsch wrote:
and the thing people have been asking for is rules for the models released since they can't get the WD or the IOS digital download. So now that they give exactly what people asked for you guys sit there and say "well it should have been new rules for new models."

No, what people asked for is a reasonably priced way to get them. Either a free pdf (like it would have been in the past), or a cheap book/download. Instead we get to pay $33 for:

* Pictures of GW's mediocre painting.
* Some fake battle reports.
* More pictures of GW's mediocre painting.
* The terrible dogfight rules from the campaign book nobody cares about.
* Even more pictures of GW's mediocre painting.
* The exact same rules we already have for codex flyers, but with the slight convenience of having the errata already included.
* HEY GUYS DID YOU KNOW THAT WE PAINT OUR MODELS!!!!!!!
* Three sheets of paper giving the rules for the Ork flyers and the Storm Talon, and a note that the Stormraven is added to C:SM.

So that's, very generously, 69 pages of garbage and 3 pages of useful information (that could really be condensed into one page). So $33 for a book that is 95% garbage.

Ultra marines storm raven. GW truly doesn't care anymore

Edit did math wrong, it saves nothing, also I was being very sarcastic if people didn't notice

 Harriticus wrote:
Ultra marines storm raven. GW truly doesn't care anymore

Yah, that bothered me. A lot.

Dose anyone know if this books is required to play 40k?

 Spartan089 wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod1960015a&_requestid=1429551

WOW That new Valkyrie bundle saved me a whole 50 cents, THANKS GW! You really know how to reward you customer base.

Check your math again. You don't save anything, $66x2 + $41.25x2 = $214.50.

nkelsch wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:

nkelsch wrote:
It seems to be exactly what everyone has been asking for.

That's a bit of an exaggeration, isn't t?
With mail order only, English only, no new content except retconning the fluff for Storm Ravens etc.

Funny, I can get it locally in my GW store... and the thing people have been asking for is rules for the models released since they can't get the WD or the IOS digital download. So now that they give exactly what people asked for you guys sit there and say "well it should have been new rules for new models."

And initial release in the primary language of the 3 countries with thier majority base is something to complain about? I guess they really can never do right.

This is a cool release...

I find it less than thrilling. I had customers asking for the book this week. I spent a couple of hours on the phone with people at GW US, trying for anything. Don't care if I'm not getting it, just please tell me what to tell my customers. They all lied. Pretending they didn't know.

GW is pulling blisters out of US stores, taking away products we used to sell. Keeping us in the dark. Not giving us new releases. Our big information tool is going to always be late. I'm cutting my orders for White Dwarf again.

Sad days from what it used to. They don't care.

 Spartan089 wrote:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod1960015a&_requestid=1429551

WOW That new Valkyrie bundle saved me a whole 50 cents, THANKS GW! You really know how to reward you customer base.

all it saves you is the fraction of a second it takes to add 2 to your cart vs 1
I've never seen a website that advertised something as a saving, but all it did was make you click less...almost seems insulting

Etched In Pride wrote:
Anyone remember years ago when the dropped the apoc book? And the awesome bundles that came along with it that saved you a decent amount of money if you bought them? WTF happened?

GW became money obsessed arrogant holes who believe themselves to be the one and only form table top gaming and feel that they have so enslaved their fan base that they can pump out anything and people will buy it with a yes and thank you.

Heh, it's even less than I expected. I thought we'd get a "Speartip" sub-game of sorts, and got a repackaged WD instead. Those who want to field Ork and C:SM fliers and didn't catch that WD might be interested, though.

English only makes sense, as the old WD in which both new fliers appeared seems to be still available internationally AFAIK (a friend of mine ordered a Spanish copy via our local GW back in October). Dunno if they'll keep selling it with the compendium coming.

 mikhaila wrote:


I find it less than thrilling. I had customers asking for the book this week. I spent a couple of hours on the phone with people at GW US, trying for anything. Don't care if I'm not getting it, just please tell me what to tell my customers. They all lied. Pretending they didn't know.

GW is pulling blisters out of US stores, taking away products we used to sell. Keeping us in the dark. Not giving us new releases. Our big information tool is going to always be late. I'm cutting my orders for White Dwarf again.

Sad days from what it used to. They don't care.

Well it looks like they really don't care about FLGSs again. They seem to be trying to drive people to the retail stores. The GW manager clearly knew about this release and has been prepping customers to 'prepare' to buy in store this week.

Too bad none of the FLGS near me have good gaming so I gotta go to the GW bunker or 'indy tourneys' for gameplay.

I'm actually hypothetically not terribly annoyed at the book itself, though it'd certainly earn GW more good will to offer it as a free download or to pack the rules in with the models.

However, not making it available in FLGS and (from what Mikhaila's saying) lying to FLGS when they ask about it? I mean, wow, seriously? GW just gets worse and worse.

I suppose this also undermines the "We don't do sales or discounts because we don't want to undercut independent retailers!" bit, eh?

The number of people getting mad over GW's new one-click bundles is shocking to me. One basic rule of selling things on the Internet is that you should make it as easy as possible for people to buy your products, and bundling complementary products simply makes sense in that context. When you consider the fact that these bundles cost very little to produce (they require, what, one photograph and one store page entry?) they seem nearly guaranteed to make money for GW.

yeah, but I reckon if they even knocked 50p-£1 off, people would be ok with it, but the issue most people seem to have is it's a bundle for the same cost of buying individually.

Some of the bundles are kind of interesting and more fluffy, but some are just lazy (2 of X for example).

People will buy them though, assuming it's a bundle therefore cheaper, without doing the math.

exactly what we asked for?

Customer: Hey, can I have the $8 WD for the flyer stats/rules?
GW: Ok, kid. Here you go. One $35 book.
Customer: That wasn't what I wanted at all.
GW: Ok. For you, I'll throw in three flyers for the price of three. They have the honorary title of "Skyhammer Squadron"
Customer: But it's just the same three boxes.
GW: You obviously don't know the price of honor, kid.

 Kingsley wrote:
The number of people getting mad over GW's new one-click bundles is shocking to me. One basic rule of selling things on the Internet is that you should make it as easy as possible for people to buy your products, and bundling complementary products simply makes sense in that context. When you consider the fact that these bundles cost very little to produce (they require, what, one photograph and one store page entry?) they seem nearly guaranteed to make money for GW.

Of course it makes sense for GW. There's very little effort involved, and some people are going to be stupid enough to buy it without checking the prices of the individual items and realizing that they're not getting a discount on the bundle. If you're a business that is focused on short-term profits then of course you produce package deals that don't offer anything, it's easy (though small) profit and you don't have to suffer the difficulty of trying to calculate a discount that would be good for your company in the long run.

However, that doesn't mean that we should pretend that it's in any way a decent product.

And here's something I just thought of. How does this affect the game really? Lets say the book did something like drop the AV on Vendettas and valks, or changed the point values on most the flyers.

Lets say I'm playing a standard game and my opponent brings out a Vendetta. I say it's AV11 like the book (theoretically says) but then he points out that his codex says AV12 and has no errata or FAQ stating otherwise.

 Savageconvoy wrote:
And here's something I just thought of. How does this affect the game really? Lets say the book did something like drop the AV on Vendettas and valks, or changed the point values on most the flyers.

Lets say I'm playing a standard game and my opponent brings out a Vendetta. I say it's AV11 like the book (theoretically says) but then he points out that his codex says AV12 and has no errata or FAQ stating otherwise.

Depends on if it says "official errata to Codex:IG" or not. If it does, it replaces it and you'll need to find a copy of the book to use your Vendetta. If it doesn't then it's no more relevant than fanfiction.

if this "supplement" has any changes to AV and point costs, then I would expect a FAQ to the Codexes effected, as we don't know everything yet; we can only hope.

They could have at least have given you the blistered kasrkin weapon options in the second squad.

I'm still annoyed about the storm raven though. It reminds me of the 4th edition codex Dark Angels debacle.

<sarcasm>
Death Company and Furisio Dreadnaughts in Codex: Space Marines when it's released next, you heard it hear first!
</sarcasm>

Any confirmation from someone who got if if Black Templars really have access to the Stormraven now?

Edit: Literally says it on the website. Sorry, my bad.

Not shocking that the remaining SM chapters now have Storm Ravens. They did the same thing with the DA dual autocannon dreadnought. Frankly, with the utter crap the Storm Talon is, I'm glad they got it.

The grey knights section on the gw site shows stormraven on heavy support now.

Please someone tell me this is a silly error, if this one compendium makes me reset every gk army list i have ; i will be a very sad panda.

On one hand, I actually like this release because it gives me the rules for the Stormtalon in a magazine I don't have to mother or photocopy to avoid "losing" it, as well as giving me access to the Stormraven (which, hilariously enough, appears to be a heavy support choice so the 6 flyer SM army is a go).

On the other, I'd rather get this from my FLGS rather than mail order. Very disappointing.

 pizzaguardian wrote:
The grey knights section on the gw site shows stormraven on heavy support now.

Please someone tell me this is a silly error, if this one compendium makes me reset every gk army list i have ; i will be a very sad panda.

confirmed from the uk website as well, interesting, black templars also have the raven and storm talon in their section

 Peregrine wrote:
So that's, very generously, 69 pages of garbage and 3 pages of useful information (that could really be condensed into one page). So $33 for a book that is 95% garbage.

Not to be negative or anything. It's a GW book; it's going to have fluff and a bunch of pictures. Most folks don't consider those to be garbage, although a book like this certainly isn't the cheapest way to package the rules, if that is all a given player cares about.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Burning Skies (two Chaos Heldrakes) £ 90.00
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440161a&prodId=prod1960009a

I so want this title to be indicative that someone at GW is still into 80s alternative rock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iddd3b-4M0Q

It's even uglier in smurf blue..

Now we have to deal with express delivery Ironclads

These one click deals make me ill. People must be buying them tho because they keep releasing them

are Tyranids totally left out of this?