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Hey fellow hobbyist.
So I recently played a 3k vs 3k against a cron foe. Because of the two FOC being used he had 6 full units of deathmarks on the board. This meant that just under half of my nids were marked.

Safe to say I was torn apart. I took my spanking like a good boy but it got me thinking what other cheesy exploits are their out there?
Another I can think of is having a CSM nurgle army with Nurgle allies. Edpimus tally being in play and having Tyhpus use is destroyer hive while bunched together with cultists.
Anyone else got any more examples?

One I discovered last night...

Planned a 2k game against my brothers chaos space marine nurgle army with my tau, I went away and had another look at the allies section because I'm starting eldar again and wanted to know if I could ally them and found they were battle brothers!

So you can imagine my joy when I read that battle brothers could benefit from being friendly units regards psychic powers!!
Scanned the FAQ's for anything that may stop me from doing this and could find nothing! So preceded to add eldrad, 10 dire avengers and a wraithlord to my tau list and went to battle guiding, fortuning and dooming my tau!

...coining the phrase of this game and alliance.
"What's better than some tau cheese? Mixing it up with eldar cheese"

You cant use eldar psyhic powers on Tau, they are for eldar units only. You can use the BRB powers on battle brothers.

MarkyMark wrote:
You cant use eldar psyhic powers on Tau, they are for eldar units only. You can use the BRB powers on battle brothers.

This! +2 Thumbs up for using Eldar with Tau. BTW bring Eldar guardian jetbikes for objective taking instead of dire avengers. Put the farseer on a jetbike in a crisis suit squad.

Yeah no fair enough have just looked over the FAQ again. Cheers for pointing it out though, only used it in one game thankfully


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It still is awesome that I can use stuff like divination and stuff on my tau

Yea its always that way. Find something wicked powerful then find out its illegal.

I didnt know you needed permission to take BRB psyker spells, so i swapped my 55pt weirdboy spells for Prescience and kept slapping it on 15 lootas. That crap was HILARIOUSLY broken, then i found out i cant do that

I've always ran my Tau with some Eldar. In a 2k list it can be downright deadly if used correctly.
The only real draw back is the firewarriors.
But that's not really the kinda of exploit I meant. I was thinking along the lines of the Nob look out sir exploit before it got FAQ'd still though smashing stuff.
I love takings Wraithlords, ruins a Crons day anytime. As do Crisis suits if used correctly

Well, there's the case where people disembark troops from a flyer transport without changing the flyer into hover mode. The justification being that you have to choose whether it is hovering or zooming prior to moving, but that you can disembark the troops prior to choosing as somehow the flyer doesn't have a "state" prior to it being chosen for that turn. So disembark troops and then zoom off with the flyer. Bleh

in all w40k history or 6th ed ? in all w40k history I would have to be old armored company . the game was totaly not ready for something like that and they even had a special rule that made them go first before everyone , even D. eldar[who had the same rule , but armored company was FAQ to be better].

in 6th it would probably be barrage sniping, but then again I play IG , so I kind of a like it .

MarkyMark wrote:
You cant use eldar psyhic powers on Tau, they are for eldar units only. You can use the BRB powers on battle brothers.

Doom works.

Guide and fortune are only for eldar squads, but doom is on the enemy unit. And everyone gets to re-roll failed wounds against them.

There is absolutely nothing as stupid and donkeycave'ish in the game right now as Warp Quaking a Daemon player on Turn 1.
Then combine that with the ability to effectively 'juggle' any 'Misplaced' results so that you can keep rolling on the mishap table in order to get a better result...

5 minute games don't prove you're a better player than me, only that you're a big girl who doesn't have a pair.

As far as loop holes go there is a ton with the aegis defense line, people seem to get the idea that anything behind it gets the 4+ cover save regardless of LOS and that they can freely fire over it without granting cover saves to the enemy. Ive seen many rule book fights over that one.

Drop pods are pretty much the cheesiest thing going, they rob a turn from the enemy, ignore the 50% reserve rule and cherry pick down anywhere they want, its no small wonder all the top tournament players are taking them. Its more of a kick to the balls that its only marines that can take them.

TVIH - incorrect, the flyer rules require the state to be carried over from the previous turn; so if it was zooming previously it is still zooming until you change it to hover

626 - which doesnt work, as you are placing it ina valid deepstrike formation, NOT deepstriking it again. No juggling possible.

Experiment 626 wrote:
There is absolutely nothing as stupid and donkeycave'ish in the game right now as Warp Quaking a Daemon player on Turn 1.
Then combine that with the ability to effectively 'juggle' any 'Misplaced' results so that you can keep rolling on the mishap table in order to get a better result...

5 minute games don't prove you're a better player than me, only that you're a big girl who doesn't have a pair.

As a cheesy GK scum player myself, even I have to concede and say thats not really possible. Once you mishap into a warp quake the opponent places them. The unit isn't "re-deepstriked" onto the board until you die or go into ongoing reserves.

There's always the Ethereal Swan Dive...

Put him on the tallest building you can find, then on the first turn opt to leap down to the ground. Assuming he fails the impact test, your army now has Preferred Enemy!

Vindicare on an aegis line.

My opponent used space marine combat tactics where he could choose to fail and run over seeminingly EVERYTHING. He deepstrikes and runs. I shoot, he chooses to fail and runs 10"back to his board edge denying me assault, auto-regroups, moves in , shoots, assaults me, fails combat on purpose, run. we measured re moved his unit 6 for walking, 5 for running, and 11 for falling back just to regroup. Each unit was effectively moving 22 inches a turn. That and only he ever got cover saves. Even if neither of our vehicles moved. Very bad game. Not fun at all

 conker249 wrote:
My opponent used space marine combat tactics where he could choose to fail and run over seeminingly EVERYTHING. He deepstrikes and runs. I shoot, he chooses to fail and runs 10"back to his board edge denying me assault, auto-regroups, moves in , shoots, assaults me, fails combat on purpose, run. we measured re moved his unit 6 for walking, 5 for running, and 11 for falling back just to regroup. Each unit was effectively moving 22 inches a turn. That and only he ever got cover saves. Even if neither of our vehicles moved. Very bad game. Not fun at all

That's not cheese.

That's cheating. You still have to have a morale check to flee with Combat Tactics. You can't just choose to flee. You choose to fail the check.

xttz wrote:
There's always the Ethereal Swan Dive...

Put him on the tallest building you can find, then on the first turn opt to leap down to the ground. Assuming he fails the impact test, your army now has Preferred Enemy!

That doesn't work, the codex states the ethereal must die, then all units must pass a LD test. Any that pass get the bonus. 4chan is not the best place to get tactics from.

 juraigamer wrote:

xttz wrote:
There's always the Ethereal Swan Dive...

Put him on the tallest building you can find, then on the first turn opt to leap down to the ground. Assuming he fails the impact test, your army now has Preferred Enemy!

That doesn't work, the codex states the ethereal must die, then all units must pass a LD test. Any that pass get the bonus. 4chan is not the best place to get tactics from.

The majority of your army will pass said LD test.

It works.

Experiment 626 wrote:
There is absolutely nothing as stupid and donkeycave'ish in the game right now as Warp Quaking a Daemon player on Turn 1.
Then combine that with the ability to effectively 'juggle' any 'Misplaced' results so that you can keep rolling on the mishap table in order to get a better result...

5 minute games don't prove you're a better player than me, only that you're a big girl who doesn't have a pair.

Exactly. If you don't want to play a game then why say you do and pull a Warp Quake BS maneuver? You could just have said no thanks and moved on. Even worse when the person finds out you are playing daemons and changes armies before the game just so they can pull this stunt. Yeah real impressive there. All that wins someone in my book is being added to the idiots I won't bother playing anymore list.

Skriker

 Skriker wrote:

Experiment 626 wrote:
There is absolutely nothing as stupid and donkeycave'ish in the game right now as Warp Quaking a Daemon player on Turn 1.
Then combine that with the ability to effectively 'juggle' any 'Misplaced' results so that you can keep rolling on the mishap table in order to get a better result...

5 minute games don't prove you're a better player than me, only that you're a big girl who doesn't have a pair.

Exactly. If you don't want to play a game then why say you do and pull a Warp Quake BS maneuver? You could just have said no thanks and moved on. Even worse when the person finds out you are playing daemons and changes armies before the game just so they can pull this stunt. Yeah real impressive there. All that wins someone in my book is being added to the idiots I won't bother playing anymore list.

Skriker

People actually do this in LGS play?

I always figured it was mostly relegated to Tournament Lists.

xttz wrote:
There's always the Ethereal Swan Dive...

Put him on the tallest building you can find, then on the first turn opt to leap down to the ground. Assuming he fails the impact test, your army now has Preferred Enemy!

Well this exploit is seriously balanced by the fact that only the parts of your army that make their leadership check and don't run away of Preferred Enemy. The rest of your army goes bye-bye...invariably when someone tries something like this they get horribly spanked by it as 90% of their units run off the table due to failing the Ld check. Serves them right too...

Skriker


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 CaptainGrey wrote:
People actually do this in LGS play?

I always figured it was mostly relegated to Tournament Lists.

It is actually a lot more common in LGS play than tournies because the warp quake build is more of a one hit wonder and in tournies you usually need much more of a TaC type force instead. No point in tabling a daemon player in 1 turn *if* you end up facing one when you can't do as well against other opponents. In the LGS you *can*, when seeing your opponent is playing daemons, switch lists and pull out the warp quake list for the game and go back to the more balanced list against others.

Skriker

Fortune+harlequins+Shadowfield is about as cheasy as you can get. I will admit it even though i use it alot. However, the eldar codex has been nerfed to the point of near irreverence so i have to use something....

Either that or running Forgeworld IA11 codex Corsairs, grabbing a Corsair Prince and deepstriking 3 units of Fire Dragons. Cost efficiency? check! (though the Corsair Prince is Wildly overcosted otherwise)

Possibly the Nurgle bomb also. Orks+Demons, use Aura of Decay to kill your own grots to get Epidemius's tally up to max, then run around with 3+ FNP and power weapons that wound on 3+ for nurgle units.

Then the fact that Vehicles can fire Quad guns... WTF GW, that one should have been obvious or FAQd by now.

FW heavy arty went from armor 11 meh artillery to WTF 11 wound T7 artillery.

Then the cheasy guard/necron flier spam

Wait...

Using Warp Quake as it was intended against the current OTT, beardy, wind-up toy Daemons List that can rip through most armies is being overly cheesy?

Or are we talking about some specific Warp Quake exploit that isn't how the rule is written?

 CaptainGrey wrote:

 juraigamer wrote:

xttz wrote:
There's always the Ethereal Swan Dive...

Put him on the tallest building you can find, then on the first turn opt to leap down to the ground. Assuming he fails the impact test, your army now has Preferred Enemy!

That doesn't work, the codex states the ethereal must die, then all units must pass a LD test. Any that pass get the bonus. 4chan is not the best place to get tactics from.

The majority of your army will pass said LD test.

It works.

Especially if they're embarked in transports, where they automatically pass morale checks (I missed that part). Failing that, stick a Ld9/10 character in the unit.

Cheesiest? That would have to be the old drughead exploit from the previous Dark Eldar Codex. Happy 4th edition with Wyches driving 12'' in a Raider, disembarking 2'', charging a guaranteed 12'' thanks to the drug exploit and then basically just consolidating from combat to combat.

Due to GW having problems writing anything resembling English the text for Combat Drug Dispensers could be read in two ways. The correct one said a squad leader in a druggie squad (wyches, hellions, reavers) didn't get the squad drugs, he could only use his dispenser. At least that had rules to support it as the rules part on how the wargear worked only told us how one model would use it.

The other way made players think said squad leader replaced the whole squad's drugs with the dispenser. Ofc, that required you to ignore the fact there were no actual rules for how it would work. But someone somewhere made up his own house rule on it and it spread through gaming stores here in Finland since so much of the game is learned word-of-mouth and few had seen a deldar codex anyway. You'd have GW employees and other game store clerks tell you the exploit was the actual rules, without any support besides some crappy wording.

Never trusted them since and I've usually been right not to. ;-)

 kcwm wrote:
Wait...

Using Warp Quake as it was intended against the current OTT, beardy, wind-up toy Daemons List that can rip through most armies is being overly cheesy?

Using one or two units as a form of DS defence isn't the problem, what's annoying is the "tactic" of covering the entire board preventing a daemon player from even playing the game.

 Skriker wrote:

 CaptainGrey wrote:
People actually do this in LGS play?

I always figured it was mostly relegated to Tournament Lists.

It is actually a lot more common in LGS play than tournies because the warp quake build is more of a one hit wonder and in tournies you usually need much more of a TaC type force instead. No point in tabling a daemon player in 1 turn *if* you end up facing one when you can't do as well against other opponents. In the LGS you *can*, when seeing your opponent is playing daemons, switch lists and pull out the warp quake list for the game and go back to the more balanced list against others.

Skriker

Well. That's disgusting. I play to win and all, but I find list tailoring disgusting.

This just proves how bad it is.

 CaptainGrey wrote:

 Skriker wrote:

 CaptainGrey wrote:
People actually do this in LGS play?

I always figured it was mostly relegated to Tournament Lists.

It is actually a lot more common in LGS play than tournies because the warp quake build is more of a one hit wonder and in tournies you usually need much more of a TaC type force instead. No point in tabling a daemon player in 1 turn *if* you end up facing one when you can't do as well against other opponents. In the LGS you *can*, when seeing your opponent is playing daemons, switch lists and pull out the warp quake list for the game and go back to the more balanced list against others.

Skriker

Well. That's disgusting. I play to win and all, but I find list tailoring disgusting.

This just proves how bad it is.

It's not even list tailoring anymore either...

6th edition rewards GK's for putting more basic Strike Squads on the table because they're reliable, cheap and flexible. Plus, they aren't centered around an expensive or clumsy HQ for unlocking requirements like the fightier Purifyers or more resiliant Pallys are.
Taking a pair of 10 man Strike Squads w/2x Psycannons, MC halberd on the Justicar & psybolt ammo is a pretty solid backbone for any GK build. Add in 5-10 Interceptors for their speed and Daemon players simply cry.

If the GK player goes first, all s/he has to do is simply spread out their units using the max 2" coherency and they can easily lock-off almost the entire table. Hell, a fully spaced 10 man squad casting warp quake creates a roughly 20"x30" bubble of auto-mishap. It's beyond stupid how easily you can ruin a Daemon player's day.

Good luck landing half your army within a tiny little 6"x8" or so bubble...


And hence the problem with how broken Warp Quake is. It's easily spamed and its area of effect is huuuuuuuge! (Note that the Necron's almost identicle ability is limited to only 6" AND isn't something you can have alot of.)

I would hardly call any GK list including 10-20 Strikes and/or 10 Interceptors as list tailoring. That's simply a decent part of many TAC's builds!