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I order online all the time and have it shipped to a 'Mom & Pop' gun store who handles the FFL transfer. Some of the bigger online retailers have a list of FFLs they use and you can search for one in your area, or arrange to have your gun shipped to the one of your choice. Typically I do let the local guy know I'll be using him, but once had something shipped to a big box store (Cabelas) and didn't bother. Once I got the delivery notification I just went in and completed the transfer (and paid the transfer fee).

The local FFL typically holds the gun until you come pick it up.

Of course, nothing wrong with browsing in the store and buying local if they have what you want at a price you're willing to pay.

 ScarletRose wrote:
TL;DR how to buy gun?

Longer explanation: I have some shooting experience (mostly thanks to my in laws) and own a pistol myself, but I'm looking to expand my collection.

My Sig Sauer Sp2022 I bought via Calguns, arranged to meet the seller in person at an FFL to do the paperwork and have the FFL hold it the mandatory waiting period.

Now I live in PA and I kinda don't know the best way to buy. Do I go to a store and just browse around? I kinda feel weird about that. If I buy online and ship it to an FFL do I notify them ahead of time or do they just hold onto it or what?

There's also gun shows, but I'm wary of buying a lemon. My non-expert feeling is that much like miniatures when you're buying from individuals rather than stores you're now open to the possibility of much worse (or better) deals that are more dependent on having specialized knowledge.

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If you were on the other side of the state I would recommend a few stores but my best advise is to look around and ask the counter guys. Most of them are pretty easy to talk with.
   
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It depends on your state laws. Federally all online orders have to be shipped to a FFL in your state so they can conduct the background check, some states require the weapon to not only be sent to an FFL but also require it to be sent from an FFL(so a private seller has to pay an FFL to ship it for them). Generally you will 1) Pay for the gun. 2) Have the FFL you want it shipped to email the seller their information so they can verify they are an FFL and can process the paperwork. 3) Once that is verified the gun will be shipped to the FFL who will call you when it arrives so you can come do the paperwork. I've never seen an FFL that won't do online orders for a typical fee(most of the ones around here charge $30-50 for it).

If you're buying from a private individual face to face it depends on the state.

Nothing weird about just going in and browsing. A gun isn't exactly a small purchase and it would actually be weird for you not to do some browsing at different stores first. Some stores may even be willing to special order something specific if you're interested. Honestly the best thing to do when buying a gun is to handle it first. Especially pistols because not every pistol is going to be comfortable for every person. Someone with small hands may have difficulty handling a large pistol and the opposite is also true. You could easily buy something online that you end up hating because it isn't comfortable for you to operate, something you would have known if you'd been able to examine it in person. This is one reason why I would be wary of buying specifically pistols online.

Gun shows are fine too. You do have to just be a little more wary, but not really any more than buying from a private individual. Just FYI there is no such thing as a gunshow loophole and all sales conducted at them still need to do background checks no matter what state you are in. I do prefer gunshows for non-gun items. Like ammo or accessories. Gunshows also tend to focus more on surplus collectible firearms as opposed to more modern stuff, which at the very least just makes them a cool place to hang out for a few hours looking at cool stuff.

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 Grey Templar wrote:
Just FYI there is no such thing as a gunshow loophole and all sales conducted at them still need to do background checks no matter what state you are in.


If you are selling a gun as a private individual (non-FFL holder) to another private individual who is a resident of the same state, and the transaction is occurring in the state you are both residents of, there is no federal requirement to carry out a transfer through an FFL on a 4473. That's the private sale exemption carved out by the Gun Control Act of 1968, AKA 'gun show loophole'.

As soon as an FFL holder or state lines are involved, it has to go through the NICS.

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Right - only 14 states require background checks on any firearm at the point of sale. Iowa, for example, currently requires neither a background check nor a permit when buying at a gun show unless the seller is a licensed dealer.

For myself, I have bought very nearly all of my guns online and had them transferred to a hardware store near my house for (currently) $30. They're not the cheapest, but they are the least hassle, and they are zero percent shady (there is a guy near my house who does xfer for $5 but the whole operation feels incredibly sleazy, and my last local gun shop had some... issues)

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Thanks for the replies everyone!

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What sort of thing are you after - Brand new, in-production, or a crusty old military-surplus antique?



Definitely more interested in surplus and old stuff.

Nothing weird about just going in and browsing. A gun isn't exactly a small purchase and it would actually be weird for you not to do some browsing at different stores first. Some stores may even be willing to special order something specific if you're interested. Honestly the best thing to do when buying a gun is to handle it first. Especially pistols because not every pistol is going to be comfortable for every person. Someone with small hands may have difficulty handling a large pistol and the opposite is also true. You could easily buy something online that you end up hating because it isn't comfortable for you to operate, something you would have known if you'd been able to examine it in person. This is one reason why I would be wary of buying specifically pistols online.


I order online all the time and have it shipped to a 'Mom & Pop' gun store who handles the FFL transfer. Some of the bigger online retailers have a list of FFLs they use and you can search for one in your area, or arrange to have your gun shipped to the one of your choice. Typically I do let the local guy know I'll be using him, but once had something shipped to a big box store (Cabelas) and didn't bother. Once I got the delivery notification I just went in and completed the transfer (and paid the transfer fee).

The local FFL typically holds the gun until you come pick it up.

Of course, nothing wrong with browsing in the store and buying local if they have what you want at a price you're willing to pay.


I usually try to buy local for other stuff, so it sounds like it's worth it to just check out local shops. Even if I don't find anything interesting I can ask about their transfer fees and such.


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Local places are always worth checking out, especially if they have a big used section. Usually they're not the best price-wise, particularly having to deal with their brick and mortar overhead, but can often have hidden gems (especially if they don't know exactly what's on their shelf).


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 ScarletRose wrote:
TL;DR how to buy gun?

Longer explanation: I have some shooting experience (mostly thanks to my in laws) and own a pistol myself, but I'm looking to expand my collection.

My Sig Sauer Sp2022 I bought via Calguns, arranged to meet the seller in person at an FFL to do the paperwork and have the FFL hold it the mandatory waiting period.

Now I live in PA and I kinda don't know the best way to buy. Do I go to a store and just browse around? I kinda feel weird about that. If I buy online and ship it to an FFL do I notify them ahead of time or do they just hold onto it or what?

There's also gun shows, but I'm wary of buying a lemon. My non-expert feeling is that much like miniatures when you're buying from individuals rather than stores you're now open to the possibility of much worse (or better) deals that are more dependent on having specialized knowledge.


I live in the same corner of PA. The Oaks gun show is pretty solid, and you can get a good deal there (can always run the price on the tag against online sales to see if you are being up charged). If you don't mind spending a little extra, there are several shops you can go to, but the further out into Amish Country you go, the better the selection. I personally use The Sportsman's Shop in East Earl. Little on the pricy side, but they have a range on site, and offer limited gunsmithing for any purchases made through a local smith. Also Hudson's in Pottstown are solid, knowledgeable folks, I've bought from them.

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 Inquisitor Lord Bane wrote:
I personally use The Sportsman's Shop in East Earl. Little on the pricy side, but they have a range on site,


Which brings up another point. Especially with handguns, try to find a place like the above that will let you rent the models you are interested in so you can fire a few rounds through them and see if you do like them.

At a minimum, go to a place which will let you dry fire at the counter. Most big box stores (like Cabelas or Academy around me) will not take off the trigger locks to let you test the triggers prior to buying. That ends a potential sale for me.

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Well, I built a PCC. It's using an Aero Precision EPC builder's kit, and has a 8.3" barrel, 9mm, uses Glock mags.

I was amazed that my Form 1 Efile took literally 2 weeks. The paper ones I did a few years back took 10 months.








Optic is a HS510c Green. I removed the hood and painted it (poorly).

I have a thread protector on there for now because I am thinking about getting a suppressor of some kind. I suppose I could do a form 4 efile, but I don't really have the right equipment to make a quality one, I don't think.

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Nice.

I'm kinda surprised nobody makes DIY suppressor kits for those who want to do Form 4s.

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Well for one thing, you don't manufacture on a Form 4- that's a transfer form. You manufacture on a Form 1, and manufacturing an NFA item involves more legal hoops than just a transfer. That somewhat reduces the appeal.

For another, they do exist, they're just not good value for money. The body is literally a tube, and if you have the tools to finish the suppressor you have the tools to make baffles from scratch.

Even then, ATF is squirrely about people owning tubes and baffles without approved form 1s already.

Additionally, there are some annoying restrictions on how you can service a suppressor, so for a private owner if you screw up a can you built on a Form 1 you basically have to destroy it and try again. Only an FFL/SOT can legally perform a repair on internals of a serialized can. So, if you order from a reputable manufacturer with a decent warranty you have peace of mind that if you get baffle strikes or similar problems you can send it off to them.

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I was amazed that my Form 1 Efile took literally 2 weeks. The paper ones I did a few years back took 10 months.



Question for you, seeing that you seem to have put together a few Form 1/NFA firearms.

Do NFA guns have to follow local laws/restrictions? As in, I live in a AWB state. If I were to build/register an NFA gun, does it have to follow local AWB rules given that it is an NFA firearm? (Does my question even make sense? This is an area of the firearms hobby that I've gone nowhere near, so I wouldn't know where to start.)

While we're here, do you need a Class 3 license to build a Form 1 gun?

I ask because I've always wanted a Kalashnikov (semi auto), but they've always been out of reach due to state laws. Thank you for your time.

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You do still have to follow state laws. In theory, if you could build an NFA item that did not fall under whatever your state's AWB are it would be ok, but I don't think that is possible.

What state in particular are you in?


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Only an FFL/SOT can legally perform a repair on internals of a serialized can.


Really?

So if, say, you had a Can with removable baffles that you could have extras of you can't legally swap them out? That is a pain in the butt if so.

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Connecticut.

If I recall correctly, the AWB rules here ban anything with a detachable magazine and (long list of common features, including pistol grips or adjustable length stocks.)

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So that doesn't necessarily preclude you from getting an AK of some variant. There are these attachments which can turn a detachable AK magazine into a fixed magazine that can only be removed if you remove the Dust cover and reach inside. There are similar things for ARs.

If CTs ban is anything like here in CA, you can also go "Featureless" and keep the detachable magazine. Which means you either get a fin grip wrap or some other non-pistol grip and you don't have any adjustable stocks/bayonet lugs/forward grip/etc... IMO, this is the better way. Fixed mags you have to disassemble the gun to detach are annoying and not worth having the pistol grip.

But it really depends on the exact wording of their AWB law. Put on your best wargaming rules lawyer'y cap and read the fine print.

AtlanticFirearms sells a bunch of banstate legal versions of firearms you'd be interested in. I'm sure they have some type of AK that is legal in CT. And shop around at your local gunstores in the state. They'd definitely have stuff that is legal. Focus on the smaller ones, big box stores tend to have much more vanilla stuff.

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 Cothonian wrote:
 Ouze wrote:

I was amazed that my Form 1 Efile took literally 2 weeks. The paper ones I did a few years back took 10 months.



Question for you, seeing that you seem to have put together a few Form 1/NFA firearms.

Do NFA guns have to follow local laws/restrictions? As in, I live in a AWB state. If I were to build/register an NFA gun, does it have to follow local AWB rules given that it is an NFA firearm? (Does my question even make sense? This is an area of the firearms hobby that I've gone nowhere near, so I wouldn't know where to start.)


I think I understand you. Yes, you have to follow all applicable laws, state and local. If you live in a state where SBRs are banned, getting a federal tax stamp would not allow you to legally possess that SBR in that state - the federal allowance wouldn't even supersede a hypothetical township ban on machine gun ownership.

 Cothonian wrote:
While we're here, do you need a Class 3 license to build a Form 1 gun?

I ask because I've always wanted a Kalashnikov (semi auto), but they've always been out of reach due to state laws. Thank you for your time.


Machine guns are outside my knowledge - they are not lawful in Iowa so I've never really explored them. There is a good resource here: https://www.atf.gov/file/58221/download?destination=file/58221/download

 Grey Templar wrote:
So if, say, you had a Can with removable baffles that you could have extras of you can't legally swap them out? That is a pain in the butt if so.


It's worse, actually. IIRC if you have a can that has disposable rubber wipes, each wipe is now a regulated suppressor part.

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Legality at a federal level does not supersede legality at a local or state level. If you build an SBR in a state that bans SBRs, all you get by having properly Form 1'd it is that you only get brought up on state rather than state+federal charges.

You do not need to have any kind of SOT to manufacture a SBR, SBS, AOW, or suppressor on a Form 1. You only need a Class 2 SOT/FFL Type 7 or a Class 3 SOT in order to engage in the manufacture of machine guns.

Connecticut grandfathered in pre-1994 firearms as exempt from current AWB restrictions provided they aren't banned by name. 7.62x39 AKs are banned, but other calibers are good to go. So if you can find a 5.45 or .223 AK made prior to '94, that'll work. Alternatively, there is at least one shop in CT manufacturing 7.62 AKs under the NFA title 1 category of 'other', which avoids some of the restrictions.

   
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Another n00b question.

Of the shooters you own, which is the most prone to jamming, and why?

   
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Another n00b question.

Of the shooters you own, which is the most prone to jamming, and why?


AMT Automag III.



It's basically a Colt 1911 stretched out a bit to feed the .30 Carbine originally developed for the US M1 Carbine in WW2.

It needs to be overly lubricated to function because 1. AMT never was great about fit, finish, or QC, so there are some rough geometries and general lack of polish that can cause it to stop up, and 2. it's an early example of a stainless steel gun, and the galling properties of stainless were not yet well understood. If it's under-lubricated, it will hang up returning to battery (ie, the slide will stop short of all the way forward) every time.

Honorable mention to my Desert Eagle Mk XIX in .50AE, which will do a similar malfunction if it's not held very rigidly when shooting. That's due to a combination of the high recoil of the round and the relatively slow action of the gas-operated system. Rifles generally don't have this problem because they have more mass to work against and higher gas pressure.

Oh, and my FAL kinda exploded once a little. But it's been okay ever since.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Another n00b question.

Of the shooters you own, which is the most prone to jamming, and why?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USFA_ZiP_.22

I own one of these colossal POS guns. I completely disassembled it, polished every component to a high sheen, increased the bore diameter by a thousandth of an inch, recontoured the feed ramp, slightly enlarged the ejection port and polished the plastic, lubed it up with graphite (gun uses NO oil by instructions), installed the proper springs, only used factory Ruger 10-22 10 round rotary magazines, AND found the brand of ammo best able to cycle through it. Even after all of THAT it is still a jam-o-matic 5000. After mods I have about a 40% chance of getting through a 10 round magazine without a jam of some kind.

From the factory as is, it was more like every 3rd round jamming, and that's with a Ruger mag and select ammo. Want to use a 3rd party magazine or even a 25 round Ruger mag? LOL, good luck. It will jam EVERY time. Want to use bulk .22 ammo? Hey, you might not even get the round to properly chamber and have an out of battery discharge (happened to me and it sucks).


Biggest design flaws: too small of an ejection port causing spent casings to get caught up, and the has WAY to high of a cyclic rate and doesn't allow the fired round time to eject before trying to load another round.
   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
What’s “exploding a little once”? I mean, once it’s exploded itself to bits, it can’t exactly explode again?


It experienced a malfunction known as a case head rupture, which is where the gun fires, but the back end of the casing for one reason or another is unable to contain the pressure of the fired round and it tears open, dumping that 60,000+ PSI hot gas out the breech.

Basically it went bang-bang-BOOM and then the contents of the magazine were on the ground, with the magazine bowed out into an oval shape by the semi-contained explosion routed into it to keep it away from my face.

This is an extremely uncommon type of malfunction, but in the FAL it can occur with certain brands of steel-cased ammunition as a consequence of the FAL's chamber design and timing characteristics. Basically it doesn't completely support the casing, it starts to extract the case a bit early (still under pressure) compared to other rifles, and it relies on the malleability of brass for that to work out. With (some) steel case the residual pressure holds the casing in the chamber but the bolt pulls on it anyways, and since it can't stretch like brass it splits at the unsupported point.

So now I only use brass-cased ammunition and it's fine.

   
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 Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:
Another n00b question.

Of the shooters you own, which is the most prone to jamming, and why?


My least reliable pistol has actually been a Walther PPK. Always had jamming issues when initially loading it, then a few thousand rounds in it started jamming every other shot (this is despite regular maintenance and lubrication.) After servicing from Walther Arms it's functional again.

To provide some context, the Walther PPK model has had multiple production runs over the years. This one was part of a bad run by Interarms Alexandria if I'm remembering correctly.



I have one other gun which functions reliably enough, but is wildly inaccurate. It's a Stevens "Visible Loader" .22 rifle from 1905 (if I'm remembering the year correctly.) As best I can tell, its barrel was sabotaged for carnival use. That is, they ran steel brushes down the bore to purposely make it inaccurate. Overall, it's in pretty rough shape. Really interesting piece, though.

Sounds like Mad Doc Grotsnik should look into trying out the hobby.

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Legality at a federal level does not supersede legality at a local or state level. If you build an SBR in a state that bans SBRs, all you get by having properly Form 1'd it is that you only get brought up on state rather than state+federal charges.

You do not need to have any kind of SOT to manufacture a SBR, SBS, AOW, or suppressor on a Form 1. You only need a Class 2 SOT/FFL Type 7 or a Class 3 SOT in order to engage in the manufacture of machine guns.

Connecticut grandfathered in pre-1994 firearms as exempt from current AWB restrictions provided they aren't banned by name. 7.62x39 AKs are banned, but other calibers are good to go. So if you can find a 5.45 or .223 AK made prior to '94, that'll work. Alternatively, there is at least one shop in CT manufacturing 7.62 AKs under the NFA title 1 category of 'other', which avoids some of the restrictions.


I think the AK-74 I have would fall nicely into that group. It uses the 5.45 x 39 rounds, which can be tough to find, so I pick up the odd box or two when I see them and have amassed quite a few rounds. It shoots very similar to a .223, or the M16 I shot in the military way back when. However, the mag issue could still be a problem, as I have multiple 30-round mags for it that are not legal in many states, but no issue where I live. GBtSoT!*


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My least reliable gun was the Kel-tec PMR30. Even after being broken in, and even when only using the 2-3 ammo brands on the little card it came with - it still would reliably jam 3 or 4 times per magazine. Part of it is it really is a tough design, the .22WMR is a very long round to cycle in such tight confines, and when you are jamming 30 of them into a magazine like that, they are prone to brass deformation.

The only gun I ever sold. I partially regret it because it really was a blast to shoot; huge fireballs, no recoil, 30 rounds, lots of fun - but it also was super annoying clearing the constant jams, and it was difficult finding ammo in the very specific brand and grain and bullet weight requirements.


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I’ve been lucky in not having guns that are lemons. Most times it was pistols, and even then it was because I was limp wristing the firearm when I first started in the shooting hobby (not keeping my wrist stiff enough so that when the slide reciprocates, my wrist would bend which would interfere with the inertia necessary to chamber the next round).
I did have an AR pistol lock up when I was testing for extreme weather conditions. I was shooting on a hill top range, -32 F. The lubricant on the BCG was producing enough friction so that when a spent case was ejected, the next round would semi chamber and lock up the bolt in the forward position. The only way to eject the round was to mortar the firearm (kneel with the firearm in a 45 degree angle, , drop magazine, the. holding onto the charging handle, and slamming the buttstock/lower receiver extension tube on the ground just forward of your foot, causing the live round to eject). Tried it two more times with the same issue occurring before racing back to the shop, removing the extra lube, then running the gun dry. Lesson learned- cold weather, don’t run the BCG wet!

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 Ouze wrote:
Well, I built a PCC. It's using an Aero Precision EPC builder's kit, and has a 8.3" barrel, 9mm, uses Glock mags.




That's neat as hell. I want a PCC but getting the right bits here is hard. I can BUY a PCC off the shelf but it's full of things like 16" barrel 9mm PCC's and the like. Like, I know non SBR's are easier to export than SBR's but no one needs a 16" 9mm.

Even our own locally made ones are stupid long. Edit, oh I just checked the local manufacturer, they do make SBR 9mm's now.

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The Ruger PC Charger is an interesting option in the PCC world. It's lack of iron sights is a bummer but it has a surprising amount of after market support, including Volquartsen triggers.

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