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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Carrying that thought and string of discussion on? Is there a brand of ammo you just..won’t use?
No need to name and shame!
Weirdly combining the last two subjects, not one of my father's custom loads is getting anywhere near my guns. I have no need for a shell that will either A) explode the target, or B) explode my gun. Nothing that blows a pie plate sized hole in steel can possibly be good for your shotgun.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
BaronIveagh wrote: Weirdly combining the last two subjects, not one of my father's custom loads is getting anywhere near my guns. I have no need for a shell that will either A) explode the target, or B) explode my gun. Nothing that blows a pie plate sized hole in steel can possibly be good for your shotgun.
LOL, I know a guy who was shooting off the last of his father's reloads, the man having died years before.
They were...erratic, and we stood off once this became clear. The shooter seemed puzzled and disappointed, since Dad really knew guns and did precision reloading, but you see, "this was his last batch so maybe he was slipping..."
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Just watching Django Unchained whilst I work, and admiring the shooters involved.
And it’s got me wondering what your oldest shootin’ iron might be - and whether it ever sees use?
Dreyse M1907. Odd little duck, but with replacement springs it runs rather well. Nice plinker, fixed sights are a bit off, but since I replaced the firing pin spring, it's a terror to stiff primers. Stuff that other .32s won't touch off, this one will.
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote: Just watching Django Unchained whilst I work, and admiring the shooters involved.
And it’s got me wondering what your oldest shootin’ iron might be - and whether it ever sees use?
That's... unfortunately an interesting question. The oldest that I have a firm date for is 1745. There's some other stuff that are probably older, but without a firm date it's hard to say, because they have no makers marks, nor are a particular pattern.
This has seen use off and on, mostly either deer hunting or reenactments. This state used to have weird muzzle-loading laws for hunting. The gun had to either have been made before 1803 or a reproduction thereof.
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
I have a 1942 Mosin. Original stock, but cutout to allow for a reproduction PU scope. I have yet to be able to get the scope mount to hold a zero, I need to figure out how to put some shims and stuff in there, but the irons can reliably hit 6 inch groups at 200 meters.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
My oldest was a Hopkins & Allen Arms Co. Forehand Model 1901 .32 M&H Cal. Hammerless 5 Shot that I sold to a coworker shortly before they moved to Tennessee.
Just Tony wrote: My oldest was a Hopkins & Allen Arms Co. Forehand Model 1901 .32 M&H Cal. Hammerless 5 Shot that I sold to a coworker shortly before they moved to Tennessee.
Gotta love those old .32s.
There's a sour point in firearms collecting and it's near the 1890s when you have cartridge weapons whose ammunition is simply no longer available and it's difficult to hand load an equivalent because the pressures were so low. If you go pre-cartridge era, you're fine.
Of course, there are individual calibers outside of that period that are challenging as well (9mm Largo, 8x22mm Nambu for example), but that period seems to have the most issues.
A fun thing about .32 revolvers is that you can load a bunch of different versions into modern magnums. A revolver chambered for .327 Federal Magnum can handle .32 Long, .32 short, .32 H&R magnum and even .32 ACP (though I wouldn't rely on it for self-defense).
Vintage "off-brand" .32 revolvers (i.e. not Colt or S&W) are probably the cheapest weapons out there and ones in excellent condition can be had for gas money.
My Father recently decided he wanted to get rid of his Sig Sauer P320 Stainless. It's the Sig version of the PPK in 380. It's a nice little snapper, but it's barely accurate for anything but CCW. He wants 350 for it? It's also out of production these days, so is it worth it?
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
Those seem to go for about 500-750 so I would say 350 is a steal.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
cuda1179 wrote:As absolutely stupid as it sounds, I've always wanted a Tec-9. The problem being it's long been out of production, and even at the best of times it was totally unreliable. I think I may have found a suitable substitute.
I understand the Tec-9 draw, there's a lot of pop culture value there, though for actual shooting and for history cool factor I think the vz61 is a winner
I had good times with my cousin's TEC-DC9 way back when this one wasn't banned. The blowback operation taught me to keep the wrists steady.
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FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: My Father recently decided he wanted to get rid of his Sig Sauer P320 Stainless. It's the Sig version of the PPK in 380. It's a nice little snapper, but it's barely accurate for anything but CCW. He wants 350 for it? It's also out of production these days, so is it worth it?
The PP and the PPK were designed to use both .32 and .380, and I think some of the poor reputation the PPK/S enjoys in certain circles is because it is much better in .32. Alas, getting one is difficult and hideously expensive (and it will probably have a Hitler stamp on it).
The PP in .32 is much more affordable and a lot are out there as post-war police turn-ins. For a while, the French-made ones were a great deal and (according to the online chatter I saw), better quality than the German ones because Walther's QC people deeply resented the French and nit-picked every single flaw. Once they were allowed to use their own plant in Germany, they weren't as punitively strict. I've fired one and it points and hits like a laser. Crazy accurate.
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What makes or made you jealous/envious at the range?
NFA items like short-barreled rifles and suppressors. Fully automatic weapons too, although somewhat less so, mostly due to the prohibitive price of the items themselves and the cost of ammunition, which is high enough for non-full auto weapons as it is.
What makes or made you jealous/envious at the range?
You are speaking of the fabled "Ooo-Ahh!" Factor. This is a significant motivator in firearms collection. I mean, who cares if you pull out a current-gen Glock? They're as scarce as air molecules.
The Platonic ideal is to open the case and remove a weapon that causes the range officers to crowd around it and either say "What the heck is that?!" or "Is that what I think it is?!"
Because I am drawn to the obscure, instances of me being impressed at the range are exceedingly rare. That being said, I have a friend who inherited a collection that never ceases to incite feelings of deeply sinful envy - particularly regarding his Colt 1911 (not 1911A1, but actual 1911) that was issued during the Great War. On one memorable occasion, he allowed me to fire his Colt M1917 revolver, which was sublime. I'd love to have one of those. Maybe when I grow up.
I thought they called them Hollars in Kentucky? or is that Tennessee? We got Hallows up this way.
Are you referring to the location in my sig? Yeah, we call them "Hollars" around here, I just didn't want to subject people from a myriad of different places to figuring out "Hillbilly dialect".
I thought they called them Hollars in Kentucky? or is that Tennessee? We got Hallows up this way.
Are you referring to the location in my sig? Yeah, we call them "Hollars" around here, I just didn't want to subject people from a myriad of different places to figuring out "Hillbilly dialect".
Mighty modest of you there, and I probably did that the way I spelled hollow...
What makes or made you jealous/envious at the range?
If someone brings in something rare, or just plain unattainable, I like it, even if it's a jam-o-matic. Even the downright goofy gets my attention. Yes, I know a double-barrel 1911 pistol was a stupid idea, but if someone would let me shoot one I'd giggle the entire time. Have a Derringer chambered in 50AE? Awesome. Modern shotgun converted to look like a Civil War era musket? Gotta see it.
Yeah, I'd like to think I'm above that. Cool guns are cool, and I'll talk to anybody and take interest in their stuff, but envy would be a stretch. I am envious of you guys that are able to shoot on your own land.
Does anyone have a Savage Impulse and/or have an opinion on it? I'm mostly interested in the 10 shot .308 or 6.5
I'm jealous of people who practice with CCW ammo, like it doesn't cost 1-2 dollars a round, and people who can still do the long distance marksmanship competitions.
I'm jealous of people who can afford to waste ammo with casual abandon.
FezzikDaBullgryn wrote: I'm jealous of people who practice with CCW ammo, like it doesn't cost 1-2 dollars a round, and people who can still do the long distance marksmanship competitions.
I'm jealous of people who can afford to waste ammo with casual abandon.
The prices have come down lately, especially for 9mm. Most of the 9mm FMJ is $20 or less per box. I'm not a millionaire either and only shoot a few mags of carry ammo every few range trips to see where I'm at. In theory you could practice with a cheap carry ammo but I haven't had much luck with that. IMI "Black Dot" was not great in my gun and the Winchester/Remington budget HPs don't seem to perform well.
For carry ammo and ammo in general really, IME being a patient shopper can really pay off as some ammo seems to nearly always be available and others come in waves then dissappear until the next run. It is better to buy a lot of ammo that hits where you expect at once than buy it as you go and roll the dice on availability.
For carry ammo, you can occasionally find law enforcement overruns and get a really nice deal. These are usually in 50 rd boxes rather than the 20 rd boxes sold to the general public.
My first stop for ammo is this place as it has the best prices I've found, and they happen to have a good amount of that atm. Not really a secret but some might be unaware.
