Firearms you own, and their uses.

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**Wyrmalla**

How's buying the ammunition for it though? Wolf's the main manufacturer right, but its plants are in Russia? Well unless you pick up one of the newer export Aks, or just one which is already chambered for 5.56, in which case its just finding the right mags.

**mega_bassist**

I've heard that 5.45 is actually pretty easy to buy in bulk.

**Wyrmalla**

Heh, well I suppose the Finns and Israelis probably still have a load left over.

**Vaktathi**

The '74 is really neat, just wished I'd been able to pick up an SGL-31 before the Kalashnikov Concern embargo hit and their prices skyrocketed

Ammo isn't too bad. Finding it locally is often a pain, but it's plentiful online, 30 round boxes are $7.50. Wolf, Golden Tiger, etc make it and you can get it for about $0.25/round, Hornady also makes 5.45 but it's not as cheap, ~$0.60-$0.70/round.

The bigger issue is that many of the ranges around here have sticks up their butt about steel ammo, they don't like steel cased rounds for some reason and can't recycle steel cases so get bumhurtt about it, and even the Hornady stuff is steel cased. No brass 5.45 exists.

**Ouze**

I have exactly the same problem with my Tulammo, I have to go to the state open range.

**Vaktathi**

Yeah, it's pretty infuriating, but that's why the other ranges don't get my business if I want to shoot Glorious People's Rifles

EDIT: another pic of the 74 just for kicks and giggles

**mega_bassist**

HNNNNGGGGG. I need dat.

And I didn't know the embargo was in effect yet! I haven't looked at AK prices in a wihle. I'm kinda scared to....

**Vaktathi**

Fortunately it only affects products from Kalashnikov Concern and associated companies, so Bulgarian made SLR-104's (which are functionally identical to Russian AK-74's) are still around (just specifically banned by name in CA so I can't get one) as are things like Waffen Werks/ARAK AK-74's like mine that are a bit more affordable.

**NuggzTheNinja**

Might be time to sell my AK and build another AR............

**Dreadclaw69**

Vaktathi wrote:
Yeah, it's pretty infuriating, but that's why the other ranges don't get my business if I want to shoot Glorious People's Rifles

EDIT: another pic of the 74 just for kicks and giggles

http://i.imgur.com/uihQJc6.jpg

Colour me jealous, we went to the range Saturday and tried out a .45 compact

**MWHistorian**

AK prices aren't as bad as PSL prices. When I bought mine they were $600. Now they're around $1,000

**Hordini**

What do you guys think of Romanian AKs, like WASR-10s?

**mega_bassist**

One of my shooting buddies has a Romi, and it's nice. I would definitely get one.

**ThatSwellFella**

https://www.google.hr/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCMQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVmj7DzTBXMM&rct=j&q=tokarev%2057&ei=3nvyU5fSN6fH7AbF4IGAAg&usg=AFQjCNGjyyg3QW6d3Nt1GYWb7uMxGhxILg&bvm=bv.73231344,d.ZGU
I got this gun (disabled) as a present from my grandfather for 18th Bday
Not like i am intending to ever buy a firearm, if i get caught in a nasty situation in a dark alley, i got butterfly knife with me when i go out at late night.. thankfully i never had to use it

**Vaktathi**

Dreadclaw69 wrote:
Colour me jealous, we went to the range Saturday and tried out a .45 compact

Nice, I need to get me a .45 one day...but there are so many rifles I must get!

MWHistorian wrote:AK prices aren't as bad as PSL prices. When I bought mine they were $600. Now they're around $1,000

Saigas have gone through the roof, Saiga based SGL's that were $900-1050 a month ago are now $1400-1500. They're only going to get worse I feel.

That said, I need to get a PSL too at some point...

Hordini wrote:
What do you guys think of Romanian AKs, like WASR-10s?

WASR-10's are fine as long as you give them a once-over first. Century Arms has some QC issues, things like sights being canted, etc. But, if it was put together right (they're increasingly better about that and many places will inspect them first now, like RRC Firearms and Atlantic Firearms), they're pretty solid. The one thing I don't like about the WASR-10's I've seen is the lack of dimples on the receiver, that's to add rigidity in the case of an out-of-battery fire, but it's not a dealbreaker. Mag wobble is a common thing but not unique to the WASR, canted sights are something you see a lot but can avoid just by looking at it before you purchase it or by getting it from a place like Atlantic or RRC.

ThatSwellFella wrote:https://www.google.hr/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CCMQtwIwAg&url=http%3A%2F%2Fm.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DVmj7DzTBXMM&rct=j&q=tokarev%2057&ei=3nvyU5fSN6fH7AbF4IGAAg&usg=AFQjCNGjyyg3QW6d3Nt1GYWb7uMxGhxILg&bvm=bv.73231344,d.ZGU
I got this gun (disabled) as a present from my grandfather for 18th Bday
Not like i am intending to ever buy a firearm, if i get caught in a nasty situation in a dark alley, i got butterfly knife with me when i go out at late night.. thankfully i never had to use it

Tokarev's are pretty cool, my local's actually selling a bunch for ~$300 each, they're neat guns.

**Hordini**

Vaktathi wrote:

Hordini wrote:
What do you guys think of Romanian AKs, like WASR-10s?
WASR-10's are fine as long as you give them a once-over first. Century Arms has some QC issues, things like sights being canted, etc. But, if it was put together right (they're increasingly better about that and many places will inspect them first now, like RRC Firearms and Atlantic Firearms), they're pretty solid. The one thing I don't like about the WASR-10's I've seen is the lack of dimples on the receiver, that's to add rigidity in the case of an out-of-battery fire, but it's not a dealbreaker. Mag wobble is a common thing but not unique to the WASR, canted sights are something you see a lot but can avoid just by looking at it before you purchase it or by getting it from a place like Atlantic or RRC.

Looks like Atlantic and RRC offer quite a bit of variety in terms of AKs. What about Century C39s? Is the increase in quality worth the increase in price? If I was to get an AK, it wouldn't need to be anything fancy. I'd mostly be looking for something reliable that would serve as a good introduction to the AK family.

**Vaktathi**

I haven't seen anything bad about the Centurion C-39's. The muzzle brake looks a bit goofy, the lightening cuts are a bit more shallow than on an actual type 3 milled receiver, and the safety for some reason is a different finish than the rest of the rifle, but those are all really cosmetic things that don't affect functionality and are really subjective issues, most people probably won't care. They seem to be well put together overall. I haven't gotten to shoot one so I couldn't give you more advice than that.

**KalashnikovMarine**

PSL prices make me sad right now.

**Ouze**

Hordini wrote:
What do you guys think of Romanian AKs, like WASR-10s?

If you want a tacticool Romanian AK, I have an M&M M10 and I love it. I've put about 1200 rounds through it, pretty much exclusively the cheapest Russian ammo available, and I've never had a problem ever, not one failure to feed or anything.

Sorry kind of a grainy cell phone pic I just took:

Some new AK owner advice:

If you're just plinking/target shooting, you might want an AR or even a 10/22. It's really not super accurate. With my super cheap ammo, at 50 yards I'll probably have 3-4 inch groups if I shoot carefully. If I bought better ammo I could probably improve that but it's not a tack driver.

Buy steel surplus magazines, don't get those plastic promags. They're cheaper but also garbage, whereas the steel mags will outlive you.

If you are going to use a grip, you need to get a stubby one. Most foregrips are too long to use with a 30 round mag. I now have 3 different grips in my drawer that I couldn't really use.

The side mounting rail for using a scope is too heavy and sucks at best. Just use a red dot/holo sight, it's the way it's meant to be.

The slotted muzzle device as pictured is the most effective at reducing recoil, although it's pretty tame anyway. You will need loctite to keep it on. If you get an M10 they used to, and may still, come with a RAZR muzzle that looks neat but makes a weird ringing noise every time you shoot.

I got a side-folding stock because I lock it in a file cabinet. It came with a side-folding wire stock. Don't get the wire stock, it costs a bit more and it's super uncomfortable. I replaced it with an ATI side folder, I like it.

**KalashnikovMarine**

I really need to grab an underfold Polish AK at some point, probably go ahead and spend the cash to get it set up as an SBR too so I don't have to pin it.

**MWHistorian**

Everyone should have an AK.

**KalashnikovMarine**

Concur. That said selling my AK got me my M1 Garand, which is kinda like selling your old beater pickup truck and getting a classic muscle car.

**KalashnikovMarine**

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/dumoulin-mauser-action.aspx

Looks like I have my Mauser actions for my Dangerous Game (.458 Win Mag) and Scout Rifle (.308) projects for school over the next year.

As previously mentioned the .458 is going to be a in a traditional walnut stock, prepared for that trip to Africa I'm never going to take, and moose and kodiaks in the meantime. I'm still figuring out a stock for the scout, I might carve a custom Dragunov style stock or just use a Hogue overmold drop in. The key is keeping it light, a proper scout rifle is under seven pounds, and ideally should be about 3 kilos (6.6 lbs) unloaded, with accessories, with a maximum possible weight of 3.5 kilos, a short barrel helps with that, but using the AI floor plate and magazine system to convert it to a magazine feed is going to add some of that back. Colonel Cooper also specified synthetic stocks in his original scout design, so the Hogue overmold may be the real winner here if I'm doing a "traditional" scout vs. a psuedoscout. I'm going to move the scope back a little bit as well, I'm not a big fan of the forward mounted look and it's just not as functional for me personally, I find putting too much weight forward of the action is a real down side for easy snap and movement.

Considering an M1A style receiver mount to keep the iron sights clear and the action clear.Maybe a red dot with a 2x magnifier built in mounted just forward of the action in a position to cowitness the iron sights.

**Filthy Sanchez**

I have an XDM 9mm 4.5" as a carry weapon.

I also have an M1A SOCOM II for hunting, home defense, and zombies.

**Frazzled**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/dumoulin-mauser-action.aspx

Looks like I have my Mauser actions for my Dangerous Game (.458 Win Mag) and Scout Rifle (.308) projects for school over the next year.

As previously mentioned the .458 is going to be a in a traditional walnut stock, prepared for that trip to Africa I'm never going to take, and moose and kodiaks in the meantime. I'm still figuring out a stock for the scout, I might carve a custom Dragunov style stock or just use a Hogue overmold drop in. The key is keeping it light, a proper scout rifle is under seven pounds, and ideally should be about 3 kilos (6.6 lbs) unloaded, with accessories, with a maximum possible weight of 3.5 kilos, a short barrel helps with that, but using the AI floor plate and magazine system to convert it to a magazine feed is going to add some of that back. Colonel Cooper also specified synthetic stocks in his original scout design, so the Hogue overmold may be the real winner here if I'm doing a "traditional" scout vs. a psuedoscout. I'm going to move the scope back a little bit as well, I'm not a big fan of the forward mounted look and it's just not as functional for me personally, I find putting too much weight forward of the action is a real down side for easy snap and movement.

Considering an M1A style receiver mount to keep the iron sights clear and the action clear.Maybe a red dot with a 2x magnifier built in mounted just forward of the action in a position to cowitness the iron sights.

Good deal

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Filthy Sanchez wrote:
I have an XDM 9mm 4.5" as a carry weapon.

You carry a full size XDM?

**Filthy Sanchez**

@Frazzled - Yeah. I'm a pretty big guy, I usually wear button-down shirts that I blouse a bit, and I carry the weapon low-slung in a minotaur MTAC. Works pretty well, most annoying part is buckling my seat belt when I'm driving.

**Breotan**

Looking at pictures of that rig and I just can't see it being comfortable in any way at all.

**Ouze**

Which are you talking about, the M1 setup?

**KalashnikovMarine**

I've mentioned them before and I'll mention them again. Old Glory is the BEST deal in ITWB holsters ever offered, I am not a huge dude and I pack a full size 1911 and I haven't been made once, including walking past a four star general's security team and their tag along LEO a few times.

**sparkywtf**

KalashnikovMarine wrote:
I've mentioned them before and I'll mention them again. Old Glory is the BEST deal in ITWB holsters ever offered, I am not a huge dude and I pack a full size 1911 and I haven't been made once, including walking past a four star general's security team and their tag along LEO a few times.

So either my googlefu sucks (probably) but all I am finding is Old Faithful.

I need to get a couple holsters for the lady and I.