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Somebody else already said it, but Forge World has steadily been moving away from making huge all resin kits to making as much use of GW's own plastic kits as they can.

I don't know if they're moving away from it. They've always done conversion kit stuff like the old Predators kits and the Nobs on bikes. Even the Storm Eagle is a conversion kit. The big all-resin stuff like the Proteus or Caestus are relatively recent and the new sentry pylon is all resin. That's new and sort of a big-ish model.

Ahh yes, now this is what I've been waiting for!

They've always had conversions kits, as they're often an easier way to create a vehicle variant or just a distinctive appearance. It also helps to maintain the design aesthetic with the new models in an army. However, I would like it if they would release more of the conversion kits separately (would love to have the MKIV SM Bikes, but would rather buy the resin bit separately and just find cheap bikes elsewhere).

The Pylon is a bit more expensive than I had planned. I had planed to buy at least a full battery of 3, but damn, I was hoping it would be in the 30 pound range.

The Ark is fine, because you only need one of those.

I love both the new models, hoping to add a couple to my list in the future, only problem is i don't know what they do yet

 Riddick40k wrote:
I love both the new models, hoping to add a couple to my list in the future, only problem is i don't know what they do yet

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/519022.page

Check that, and the next page.

 Sasori wrote:

 Riddick40k wrote:
I love both the new models, hoping to add a couple to my list in the future, only problem is i don't know what they do yet

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/120/519022.page

Check that, and the next page.

Oh god those are ridiculous! I love it!

Kangodo wrote:

It doesn't need to look better, it just has to cost 42 euro's less and that's not hard to achieve.
I could take a piece of cardbox and stick it there and I would get more quality for my money.

If you want to play Ghetto 40k, that's of course entirely your prerogative

 Ouze wrote:
More very lazy Necron kitbashes repacked as premium kits.

Again I come back to the notion that this is less a failure of design and more the results of a very short leash. I really do feel as if FW have been held back here. I just can't fathom why.

 Kanluwen wrote:
Somebody else already said it, but Forge World has steadily been moving away from making huge all resin kits to making as much use of GW's own plastic kits as they can.

You sure about that chief?

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Kanluwen wrote:
Somebody else already said it, but Forge World has steadily been moving away from making huge all resin kits to making as much use of GW's own plastic kits as they can.

You sure about that chief?

"Moving away from" is not the same as "stopping".

And yeah. I am sure about that.

 Agamemnon2 wrote:
If you want to play Ghetto 40k, that's of course entirely your prerogative

Sorry for giving my opinion on a forum, I always thought that's what a forum was for.
But apparently I cannot give my opinion without someone attacking me for it.

Are you suggesting that it IS reasonably priced?

stormboy wrote:

 catharsix wrote:
For 46 GBP/70 USD, the Sentry Pilon is way overpriced. I could easily create a nearly identical one from leftover bits and parts I have from my existing (not that huge) Necron army.

Awesome. Now do it and produce it for others. Then you can set the price. Really, what are you waiting for?

I have no desire to do conversions on demand. However, I think it hardly merits snarky trolling to suggest that a company that markets prohibitively expensive "boutique" products at least offer products that are superior to what an amateur could produce with existing, MUCH CHEAPER components.

 catharsix wrote:

stormboy wrote:

 catharsix wrote:
For 46 GBP/70 USD, the Sentry Pilon is way overpriced. I could easily create a nearly identical one from leftover bits and parts I have from my existing (not that huge) Necron army.

Awesome. Now do it and produce it for others. Then you can set the price. Really, what are you waiting for?

I have no desire to do conversions on demand. However, I think it hardly merits snarky trolling to suggest that a company that markets prohibitively expensive "boutique" products at least offer products that are superior to what an amateur could produce with existing, MUCH CHEAPER components.

The thing is, they do. The vast majority of hobbyists are simply not capable of doing conversions or scratchbuilds with the same level of detail and design quality that FW put out; if you're one of the few who are, great for you, but most of us either pay the asking price, or we make do with a bodge-job that doesn't look anywhere near as cool.

 Yodhrin wrote:

 catharsix wrote:

stormboy wrote:

 catharsix wrote:
For 46 GBP/70 USD, the Sentry Pilon is way overpriced. I could easily create a nearly identical one from leftover bits and parts I have from my existing (not that huge) Necron army.

Awesome. Now do it and produce it for others. Then you can set the price. Really, what are you waiting for?

I have no desire to do conversions on demand. However, I think it hardly merits snarky trolling to suggest that a company that markets prohibitively expensive "boutique" products at least offer products that are superior to what an amateur could produce with existing, MUCH CHEAPER components.

The thing is, they do. The vast majority of hobbyists are simply not capable of doing conversions or scratchbuilds with the same level of detail and design quality that FW put out; if you're one of the few who are, great for you, but most of us either pay the asking price, or we make do with a bodge-job that doesn't look anywhere near as cool.

I suppose that's fair enough. It just seems to me that, since FW are supposedly the "boutique" quality stuff (and the uniformly high-quality HH stuff is a great example), and to justify the rather steep price of much of their product, they could and should produce kits not only better than what the average hobbyist could produce, but also superior to what even more advanced hobbyists could produce.

well, i think they did a great job on both the new bomber, and the new ark...
seems like a pretty substantial conversion kit, and you get all the extras of the Necron plastics to play with...
Forgeworld rarely lets me down as far as quality, and varience from the stock kits...
maybe my expectations are not too high, but i have been happy with everypiece i've ever bought from Forgeworld...
to me, they blow GW's stock kits out of the water...

cheers
jah

Kangodo wrote:
2. I can get a CCB for 20 Euro from internet-stores.
The Tesseract Arc is 63 Euro.
So am I really paying 43 Euro more for some little piece of plastic in the front? That is complete bs.
I'll just buy three Barges and grab a random plate of plastic for the three Euro I have left.

Nope, you're not paying 43 Euros just for a piece of plastic on the front. Unfortunately, the resin and plastic are so close together in terms of colour that they do give that impression.

Hopefully this picture from the Open Day might make it a bit clearer - at a minimum, you're looking at the front plate(s), the weaponry & mounts and the engine blocks as being resin. There may be other parts as well, but they're all I can reliably identify at the moment.

Looking at the Forge World pictures, I'd hazard a guess that the armour plates to either side of the Necron pilot are resin as well.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:

 Ouze wrote:
More very lazy Necron kitbashes repacked as premium kits.

Again I come back to the notion that this is less a failure of design and more the results of a very short leash. I really do feel as if FW have been held back here. I just can't fathom why.

Yeah, feels about right, and it's a shame, because I don't generally complain about FW prices - I'm happy to pay when they do their magic.

Still hoping for a nice HQ or Cryptek or something, hell I'd be pretty pleased with a pack of replacement arm/stave combos for Crypteks. Which I suspect is likely in the offing, judging by previous IA releases.

 catharsix wrote:

stormboy wrote:

 catharsix wrote:
For 46 GBP/70 USD, the Sentry Pilon is way overpriced. I could easily create a nearly identical one from leftover bits and parts I have from my existing (not that huge) Necron army.

Awesome. Now do it and produce it for others. Then you can set the price. Really, what are you waiting for?

I have no desire to do conversions on demand. However, I think it hardly merits snarky trolling to suggest that a company that markets prohibitively expensive "boutique" products at least offer products that are superior to what an amateur could produce with existing, MUCH CHEAPER components.

And what I am saying is to just do it, instead of just saying you could. I grow weary of people claiming they have the ability to product the exact model in an expert way, when they never have to back it up. Yet when you call them on it, they claim you are the one trolling, when it was them all along. I game with people who can and do produce models of this quality and it isn't the average gamer. It takes real care and craft and determination. Forge World is not perfect, however, this price point sounds about right with what I know about casting and reproducing expertly made product. I assure you, an amateur or average gamer can not produce a model equivalent to this and experts that create models of this ilk charge much more for the time and energy involved.

stormboy wrote:

And what I am saying is to just do it, instead of just saying you could. I grow weary of people claiming they have the ability to product the exact model in an expert way, when they never have to back it up.

The sentry pylon is one of the simplest models Forge World has recently produced. Not an unreasonable claim at all that anyone with a good selection of bits couldn't replicate the basic design (using Ark ribs and unused doomsday cannons would be an interesting start). I doubt that average joe could do a Tesseract Ark though.

Forge World is not perfect, however, this price point sounds about right with what I know about casting and reproducing expertly made product. I assure you, an amateur or average gamer can not produce a model equivalent to this and experts that create models of this ilk charge much more for the time and energy involved.

-- Uh, I would hardly call Forge World's casting process "reproducing expertly" when they pretty much have a 100% failure rate of one sort or another. They are also totally wedded to a design process that is very labor and time intensive, added to their high-margins for being boutique. People are pretty willing to accept their poor quality control, high prices, and terrible rules though to get the gems that they do produce.

Been flipping through IA12, looks pretty good... I may have to actually pick up some more of these

IA9 and IA10 were my favorites, if we're counting the Horus Heresy books separately from IA books. If not, then Horus Heresy: Betrayal is my favorite of the FW books.

 kronk wrote:
IA9 and IA10 were my favorites, if we're counting the Horus Heresy books separately from IA books. If not, then Horus Heresy: Betrayal is my favorite of the FW books.

My hestitation at AdeptiCon cost me the chance to buy both IA9 and HH:Betrayal :-\

IA : 12 is awesome. Was able to pick up a copy at adepticon and the book (no surprise) is gorgeous. The three army lists in the books are really cool too, especially the necron one.

My buddy picked up the Night Shroud and assembled it. Whoever it was claiming it is "simply some bits" on the front is an idiot. The resin additions are substantial and I dare say the amount of resin in the kit is twice as much as the plastic that is used. The model is fantastic. Now here's hoping the IA12 necron lords get some unique models.

Picked up some Thallax myself and I love them. Really nice looking kit that I can't wait to paint. The two convention exclusive models are also very nice, both incredibly detailed. I was actually surprised how much I liked the warrior priest, but he's fantastic. Finally, I picked up the Abbaddon and Loken kit. And wow....it's glorious. My only wish is that the diorama base extended to fill up the entire base instead of being cut short, as now I have to figure out how to do it myself.

 Ouze wrote:
Yeah, feels about right, and it's a shame, because I don't generally complain about FW prices - I'm happy to pay when they do their magic.

"Shame" is the right word for it. I mean, I really like the Tesseract Arc and the new bomber, but they do feel like very expensive kitbashes rather than new models, and that's a damned shame.

 Ouze wrote:
Still hoping for a nice HQ or Cryptek or something, hell I'd be pretty pleased with a pack of replacement arm/stave combos for Crypteks. Which I suspect is likely in the offing, judging by previous IA releases.

That would be great. A "Cryptek Upgrade Pack" that has all the various combos a Cryptek can take would be most welcome by a lot of Necron players.

 H.B.M.C. wrote:


"Shame" is the right word for it. I mean, I really like the Tesseract Arc and the new bomber, but they do feel like very expensive kitbashes rather than new models, and that's a damned shame.

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I promise the bomber is worth it. Once assembled, all of us wanted one. Its about 2/3 resin and maybe 1/3 plastic. It's a great, great kit.

I ordered the Ark, Bomber, Pylon, and two sets of the Ancanthrites. I' m really looking forward to all of them!

There is a Fulgrim model! Finally! It is being released at the Horus Heresy weekender- just found out in an email from Black Library. Another primarch, yippee!

Here is the full email.

Ooooh, Fulgrim! That should be cool!