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**Enigwolf**

For those looking for rules updates in particular from IA3E2, I quoth this from Warseer: http://www.warseer.com/forums/showthread.php?372901-IA3-Second-Edition-The-Taros-Campaign-(inside-the-book)

If I haven't commented on something, that's most likely because there aren't any changes to it.

Story

Tau Forces
XV-89 - No longer exists. Tbh, it was a crappy iridium armour anyway.

Tetra - 2 shots. Awww. Seems nice and cheap though.

Barracuda - No points rise but benefits from the fancy new Ion Cannon rules. Flying Battle Cannon? Yes please. Gets some fancy new bonuses to its own Jink save and against other peoples' Jinks with the burst cannons. Better rules and no more points. Very happy.

Hammerhead Turrets - Ooooooh. Points costed in line with new Hammerhead. Also, they're 2 guns not 1 twin-linked. Me likey!

I have no comment on the Gnarlocs as it's been so long since I saw rules.

Heavy Gun Drones - Seem overpriced.

Turrets - eh.

Remote Sensor Tower - Have to deploy close together. It's a fortification, so competing with Defense Line. It's got wounds at toughness like artillery pieces.

Shas'o R'myr - Has a fixed Warlord Trait from the Codex; one that lets nearby troops re-roll shooting.

Battlefleet Gothic Tau

Elysian army list
Elysian Wargear and rules
There is a page of rules and equipment, which is great!
Auxilliary Grenade Launchers - Have Frag and Krak shots and are no longer 1-shot-only!
Breacher Charges - Demo Charge alpha strikes are gone. These are now melee blast weapons. 0_o
Homing Beacons - Inexplicably renamed to Tracking Beacons.
Chaff Launchers - No longer help with immoblilised results... just against missiles!
Illum Flares - Dropped like bombs, have a limited area of effect and have no penalties for the aircraft.

Most importantly...

Combat Drop - Very similar to the Marine Drop Pod rule. It does however not make reference to deploying zero units on the board. It implies if you have an entirely valkyrie mounted army that this is the case. Non-transported units seem to be dealt with like any other army. So, if I had 6 squads in Valkyries and 2 on foot, then I'd have to deploy 50% (one) of these but all the valkyries would follow the Combat Drop rules.

Units (Any not mentioned have no change)
Company Command Squad - The only difference seems to be a 5 points point increase, but on the bright side they can take Flakk missiles if they take a missile launcher, and on the even brighter side, they can take up to 4 special weapons just like a Codex squad!!!
The Long Range Ground Scanner has been incorporated into the Command Squad as an upgrade and is no longer an independent unit.

Storm Troopers - No change, except they get a new 'Special Operation' called 'Hot-Drop'. So as not to break any forum rules, lets just say it turns their transporting Valkyrie into a Storm Raven for deployment purposes on the turn it arrives from reserves. Something like that.

Sentinel Squadron - Count as a Combat Drop unit. Small units can take a Valkyrie or Sky Talon as a transport. 20 points price rise, though!!!

Infantry Platoon - Clarification on what to do with units in non-dedicated transports.
Command Squad - Gets more Special Weapons! (Still no heavies.) 5 point increase.
Heavy Weapons Squad - 5 point price rise. May get Flakk Missiles, but its costly.
Special Weapons Squad - 5 point price rise. Can also take lascutters.

Sky Talon - Now a dedicated transport!

Tauros Squadron - Mixed types as I believe was the case in IA1:update. Venators are 10 points more after upgrading. Can no longer take Homing Beacons (Tracking Beacons) unfortunately.

Vulture Gunship - Moved to Fast attack, so is now directly competing with Vendetta's. However, it now comes in squadrons of 1-3, and some of its armaments are cheaper (specifically the ones replacing the multilaser). Between 10-20 points across the board in fact.

Sentry Gun - Has changed from a fragile vehicle to a fairly fragile artillery piece with wounds, toughness and a save. Includes rules to deal with lack of crew.

Cyclops Demolition squad - Now heavy support. Now comes as 2x bombs, 2x crew and a Valkyrie. If you could have made this unit previously, it would have been 10 points more expensive. So a sort-of-discount. If you want no flexibility.

Imperial Navy Air Support - Now includes Avenger. Win. Thunderbolt can now get Skystrike Missiles. Lightning has Agile (better Jink save).

Tallarn Regiments
'Desert Raiders' - An upgrade you can purchase for most IG infantry that gives them 'Move Through Cover' and re-roll 1's when shooting. It's pricy, so pick your units carefully. So... curiously... a nomadic lifestyle makes your Tallarn plasma veterans less likely to explode! (Seriously, it doesn't limit the weapons it works on.)

Mukaali - Seem pricey and fragile despite 2 wounds. Can take 2 special weapons at least.

Taros Campaign
The missions have no 'historical forces' lists, and are 'just' points battles with varying restrictions and objectives. The seem well thought out, though.

Additional Tau units (3rd expansion)
Anything that has not been invented in the Tau Empire at he time of the Taros campaign. TX-42's, XV-9's...

**BrookM**

Am I to understand that Elysian veteran squads are not available with this army list?

**Enigwolf**

BrookM wrote:
Am I to understand that Elysian veteran squads are not available with this army list?

They are. The OP mentioned that if an entry was not present, no changes were made.

**BrookM**

That's a relief then.

**Enigwolf**

BrookM wrote:
That's a relief then.

Many Elysian players would cry if they removed Elysian Vets.

**BrookM**

Enigwolf wrote:
BrookM wrote:
That's a relief then.

Many Elysian players would cry if they removed Elysian Vets.

It would certainly annoy me, there's no way in hell that I'm going to field platoons of Elysians!

Makes me wonder though, will IA 4 also be revamped? Because if so.. Want!

**Enigwolf**

BrookM wrote:
Enigwolf wrote:
BrookM wrote:
That's a relief then.

Many Elysian players would cry if they removed Elysian Vets.
It would certainly annoy me, there's no way in hell that I'm going to field platoons of Elysians!

Makes me wonder though, will IA 4 also be revamped? Because if so.. Want!

My wallet would hurt. Like heck. lol.

They did skimp on IA2 for the revamp, but as mentioned here and countless other times as well, the speculation is that because Tau's 'dex was just released.

**BrookM**

Enigwolf wrote:
My wallet would hurt. Like heck. lol.

I'll say, IA4 is what got me into Elysians and the main theme of my army.

**kronk**

Hi there,
We return to the Horus Heresy in today’s newsletter with the release of a fantastic Space Marine character set and new sets of Legion etched brass symbols and decals, all available to order now for immediate despatch.

Legion Praetors in Power Armour and Terminator Armour

Praetors are the mightiest warriors and battle-leaders of the Legiones Astartes, second only to the godlike Primarchs in their martial skill and generalship. Each is a vastly experienced warrior and warlord, unique in character, who has writ a legend for themselves in blood and slaughter.

These lords of the Imperium possess a panoply of the finest weapons and armour known to humanity and hold the power of life and death over worlds, with direct control over entire war fleets and great armies. In their ranks can be found Chapter Masters and Lord Commanders, Khans, Tribunes and First Captains as the traditions of the Legions dictate; regardless of title each is a master of war, and each has conquered worlds unnumbered in the glory of the Great Crusade.

The Legion Praetors set contains two incredibly detailed multi-part resin models, designed by Edgar Skomorowski. One Praetor is clad in artificer-modified Cataphractii armour, armed with an ornate paragon blade power sword and a Volkite Charger, while the other wears ornate artificer-modified MkIII ‘Iron’ armour and carries a fantastically-detailed archaeotech pistol, as well as a mighty paragon blade power sword. These two characters are fully compatible with Forge World’s Terminator and MkIV weapon sets, allowing for a great variety of wargear options. This character set is available to order now for immediate despatch.

Luna Wolves Legion Decals and Etched Brass
Designed by Paul Rudge and packed with Legion-specific heraldry, blazons and squad insignia, these new sheets of Luna Wolves Legion Transfers and Etched Brass symbols contain a variety of differently sized symbols for use with our vehicles and infantry kits. These symbols and decals are available to order now for immediate despatch.

Thanks,
Ead Brown
Customer Service Manager
Forge World

**shamikebab**

That could be my first Forge World purchase!

**Alfndrate**

The praetor power armor looks like it might be a good garro standin

**kronk**

These are very pretty models.

**Alfndrate**

I like the power armor one better

**kronk**

OK.

Why are you crying?

Also, what the hell is this gun? I like the revolver look!

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Alfndrate wrote:
The praetor power armor looks like it might be a good garro standin

You think?

**warboss**

That catatermie praetor looks quite nice and would make a great Belial.

**gianlucafiorentini123**

Glad I held off ordering this morning can't wait to get these guys.

It's also good to see some IF from FW.

**MajorTom11**

Praetor models are some of the hottest SM I have seen in a very long time... LOVE!

FW, you are the only part of 40k that still interests me my friends... keep it up -

**Alfndrate**

Kronk, didn't see that pic

Nice catch! Also the pistol is an archaeotech pistol, which are remnants from the Dark Age of Technology. Lexicanum says that they could fire micro atomic munitions, or searing kill rays... Apparently this pistol is in the HH: Betrayal book? (doing a google search brings up list discussion on another site, but no info about it).

**kronk**

Alfndrate wrote:
Kronk, didn't see that pic Nice catch! Also the pistol is an archaeotech pistol, which are remnants from the Dark Age of Technology. Lexicanum says that they could fire micro atomic munitions, or searing kill rays... Apparently this pistol is in the HH: Betrayal book? (doing a google search brings up list discussion on another site, but no info about it).

I'll look it up this weekend. Very cool. I like that it has power supply and coolant (maybe), but also shoots revolver style cartridges or bullets. Very cool!

**Haighus**

Alfndrate wrote:
Kronk, didn't see that pic Nice catch! Also the pistol is an archaeotech pistol, which are remnants from the Dark Age of Technology. Lexicanum says that they could fire micro atomic munitions, or searing kill rays... Apparently this pistol is in the HH: Betrayal book? (doing a google search brings up list discussion on another site, but no info about it).

Yeah, it is the the HH Betrayal book, and they are all pretty much unique in how they work, I think, what with them being relics from the dark age, as you said. Those are the examples mentioned in Betrayal.

**sockwithaticket**

Those are very pretty, but I only really want the power armour one and it kind of goes without saying at this point, but here I go anyway, pricetag! £30 for two isn't hugely enticing... £10-12 sold separately and I'd be in.

**Bobthehero**

Its a cash grab, they did the same thing when they combined all 3 DKoK commissar in one single expensive package :(

**dienekes96**

Stunning models. Hopefully Edgar works on some of the characters for HH as well, in between his Fantasy work.

Probably the best Marine heads to date.

And they grabbed my cash.

**cadbren**

Flintlock bolter revolver!

Not exactly what archeotech brings to mind but cool nonetheless and very steampunkish.

**stormboy**

dienekes96 wrote:

Probably the best Marine heads to date.
.

I agree completely. Possibly the best head/face I have ever seen on a Marine model.

**Ignatius-Grulgor**

I look at the sculpting on that legion praetors head and I wonder again who on earth did the world eater rampagers, there seems to be quite a variation in the quality of some of the heresy sculpts, half wonder if it's because they're trying to churn them out fast.

**Kanluwen**

Bobthehero wrote:
Its a cash grab, they did the same thing when they combined all 3 DKoK commissar in one single expensive package :(

Not according to FW.

Apparently they were casting all three Commissars at once, but only the two on foot sold consistently.

That said: I'm glad to see Edgar doing some Heresy stuff. His Wight King and Lietpold the Black are fantastic models that I treasure very much.

**Ehsteve**

This set is now one of my favourite model releases in 40k.

There's fantastic detail on the pistol, the auspex, there's even character in the knee pads and boots.

**jonolikespie**

Ignatius-Grulgor wrote:
I look at the sculpting on that legion praetors head and I wonder again who on earth did the world eater rampagers, there seems to be quite a variation in the quality of some of the heresy sculpts, half wonder if it's because they're trying to churn them out fast.

It might have something to do with everyone being thrown onto the HH stuff. I imagine there are people at FW who are better with marines and would usually be the ones doing them while the people who aren't as good at power armour work on whatever else FW has in the pipeline. Now however all resources are going towards the heresy

**jah-joshua**

Kanluwen wrote:
Bobthehero wrote:
Its a cash grab, they did the same thing when they combined all 3 DKoK commissar in one single expensive package :(

Not according to FW.

Apparently they were casting all three Commissars at once, but only the two on foot sold consistently.

That said: I'm glad to see Edgar doing some Heresy stuff. His Wight King and Lietpold the Black are fantastic models that I treasure very much.

Edgar is an amazing sculptor...
if you like his FW stuff, and those Praetors are amazing, check out his personal line of minis at Degra Miniatures...
amazingly detailed resin minis...

cheers
jah