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Experiment wrote:Emperor forbid that we should be able to actually kill a loyalist marine.

The Emperor protects...

(ie: isn't that exactly what he (the emperor) did do?)

I hear cries when I play around 2250 points, 6 BW's packed with burnas, 6 Dakka jets, and the rest is Shoota Boyz in BW with a nob, I field around 10+ BW's with deff rolla

I've found Power armor players whine about anything that ignores a 3+ en masse. I've been playing flamers and screamers since they were metal models. Screamers kill my invincible landraider, leaving my termies in the middle of the board? OP. The termies get toasted by flamers? OP.

Now that flamers and screamers do both the jobs that one or the other did in 5th, it's a bit worse whining now. *shrug* they've changed their tactics since then, it's died down a bit.

I just finished my (autocannon) heldrake though. That's gonna be fun.

Anything with Mind Shackle Scarabs will usually do it
Necron Wraiths
Necron Destroyer Lords


One of my friends plays chaos daemons we went to a tournament in mid December at a nearby FLGS and he brought a single squad of flamers, people who weren't even there remember him by the horrible things that squad did.

seanm222 wrote:
People grit their teeth when I pull Marbo out. He's pretty easy to kill the S8 AP2 template I'm about to drop gives people a lot of anxiety.

Marbo's demolition charge is S10.

Oh and, flyers. Or specifically more than one or two of them.

I get complaints when I pull out my Tzeench flying Daemon Prince. Oh and my flamers even tho I only have 2 units of 3. With my Blood Paladins 9my BA Successor chapter) ive had no complaints yet. My Ultrasmurf successor chapter gets complaints from my partner when I field a 3 plasma cannon devastator squad vs his death guard army and heretics starts dieing XD

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
People complain about my haywire wyches ALL the time. I mean, yes my unit of 5 does wreak your land raider, and yes i have multicharged 3 leman russes and wreaked all 3, but its YOUR fault for letting my T3 6+ save unit near you!

Are you sure you're playing it right? Assuming they aren't stupid enough to stand still:
Land Raider - unlikely, you need slightly more than 3 Wyches for every 2 Hull Points
3x Leman Russ - same as Land Raider, except that with 5 Wyches no matter how good you roll you'll wreck at most 1.
Harlie-star with 2+ re-rollable - this is only possible if you ally Craftworld Eldar with Corsair Eldar. Dark Eldar are not allowed to be Fortuned by Craftworld Eldar according to FAQ.

 SnaleKing wrote:
I've found Power armor players whine about anything that ignores a 3+ en masse. I've been playing flamers and screamers since they were metal models. Screamers kill my invincible landraider, leaving my termies in the middle of the board? OP. The termies get toasted by flamers? OP.

Now that flamers and screamers do both the jobs that one or the other did in 5th, it's a bit worse whining now. *shrug* they've changed their tactics since then, it's died down a bit.

Well can you blame them/us? PA and terminator models are priced for the good armor rating, and then you have entire army builds that essentially completely ignore that armor rating, making our expensive models glorified Orks but without the numbers to make that feasible. And indeed hiding in vehicles doesn't work either because flamers, screamers and FMCs certainly have no problems acting as can openers.

Power armour and terminator armies have every right to be pissed off at flamers. I used to run a flying tzeentch MC list, which is not without accusations of cheese, and when I tried out the new Flamers I just though...na I can't use these, they take the piss.

So now I'm back on 3 Lords of Change + Fateweaver

IMO, there are too many SM players. SM are the most common army found in any GW I've been to, and I can't name a single person I've met who plays 40k without a variation of SM's.

SM's are played partially due to GW's tendencies to give them a feth thon of cheese, and waaay more/better models than other armies.
In my perspective, Daemon players should be putting those pompous self-loving marines back where they belong.

Btw, to clarify: I'm not against the people who play Sm, I am merely against never having played more than 5 games against xenos, in my 5 years of playing 40k.

 Mahtamori wrote:
Are you sure you're playing it right? Assuming they aren't stupid enough to stand still:
Land Raider - unlikely, you need slightly more than 3 Wyches for every 2 Hull Points
3x Leman Russ - same as Land Raider, except that with 5 Wyches no matter how good you roll you'll wreck at most 1.
Harlie-star with 2+ re-rollable - this is only possible if you ally Craftworld Eldar with Corsair Eldar. Dark Eldar are not allowed to be Fortuned by Craftworld Eldar according to FAQ.

Haywires cause a pen hit on a 6, so entirely possible (if extremely unlikely) to wreck a squadron of LRBT's with only a handful of Wyches.

For the Harlie-star, Craftworld Eldar can take Harlies too, so just make sure they're from the right detachment and you can fortune them to your heart's content.

 tvih wrote:

 SnaleKing wrote:
I've found Power armor players whine about anything that ignores a 3+ en masse. I've been playing flamers and screamers since they were metal models. Screamers kill my invincible landraider, leaving my termies in the middle of the board? OP. The termies get toasted by flamers? OP.

Now that flamers and screamers do both the jobs that one or the other did in 5th, it's a bit worse whining now. *shrug* they've changed their tactics since then, it's died down a bit.

Well can you blame them/us? PA and terminator models are priced for the good armor rating, and then you have entire army builds that essentially completely ignore that armor rating, making our expensive models glorified Orks but without the numbers to make that feasible. And indeed hiding in vehicles doesn't work either because flamers, screamers and FMCs certainly have no problems acting as can openers.

So, just because a few WAAC's donkeycaves bring out 27+27 of the buggers, you feel that Daemons should now be punished and have every single one of our actual MEQ counters taken away from us?!

I guess then while we're at it, we should just outright ban all GK armies because they can easily make every single Daemon army 100% unplayable.

Experiment 626 wrote:
So, just because a few WAAC's donkeycaves bring out 27+27 of the buggers, you feel that Daemons should now be punished and have every single one of our actual MEQ counters taken away from us?!

No, but then again as I've said before 27+27 is hardly even required against a TAC Marine list to utterly mess it up because there's just nowhere to hide.

 kronk wrote:

 FreddieTau6 wrote:
yarp i get complaints when i bring the storm raven out but then my counter argument is theres lots of flyers out there now that out point cost it so multiples can be had! but nooooo i pull out my storm raven and the cries of here comes the london bus ring out!

Those complaints are so funny to me. I've played against storm ravens multiple times, including the cheating psychic Grey Knight ones , and have never been impressed with them.

I just wanted to t hank both of you for spelling Heldrake correctly. I will exalt both of your posts as a result and then skip merrily away!

In a double FOC I hear complaints about my two ADL w/ quad gun and four hydras in two,squads. This coming from the corn player dropping eight flyers.

Well, duh. You just negated his win button.

Celestine's the only one I've ever really been complained at for.

Ran 2 Vendettas, a Valkyrie, and a Vulture in a 1000 point tourney yesterday.

Needless to say, people weren't too happy about that.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Well, duh. You just negated his win button.

Celestine's the only one I've ever really been complained at for.

But, she's so much fun! It's like a game within a game; how many times can you lay her flat on her back and stick it to her per game?!
(can make for some *really* akward moments when it's a Slaaneshii Daemon Prince laying her out again and again...)

Originally, people laughed and mocked when I turned up running nurgling's in my daemons army.

Then I play them.

Then they call them utterly broken cheese.

Yes, 3 wounds, 5+ invulnerable, and eternal warrior on a swarm, is good. But even running a 6 man unit of flamers, doesn't draw as much "OMG cheeze" as running lot's of nurgling's does.

Especially when epidemius gives them 2+ poison.
Double especially when Epidemius gives them ap2.

I guess it must hurt to see monstrous creatures, terminators, marines, anything, fall down under a wave of adorable, cheap little swarms


Now here's a fun question. What do -you- cry cheese on, when it's played against you?

For me, it's mindshacklescarab's, but only because it's sad when it happens to my monstrous creatures. But then again, I don't whine and moan, because i'm glad they had something to deal with my monstrous creatures with, Forces me to think outside the box

My hive Tyrant made a name for him/her self. I would run it with 2 guard armored shell and regen. (st/bs) I would give him biomancy. and with luck I would land on ironarm or life leach.
Lets just say there hasn't been a death star at the Flgs I go to that can stop him/her.

I have been trying out experimental Arty lists. one list had 6 bessis. groups of 2 . boy was it a bad day for that other gunline guard.

Ork Boyz,

People get all up in arms when i field them.

Doubly so when i run a fluffy Waagh list.. Fluffy lists are always fun

Its FLUFFY to have 300+ boyz pelting towards you, dammit


Actually the only model i field that anyone whines about overmuch is my Lootas.

 Mahtamori wrote:

 ALEXisAWESOME wrote:
People complain about my haywire wyches ALL the time. I mean, yes my unit of 5 does wreak your land raider, and yes i have multicharged 3 leman russes and wreaked all 3, but its YOUR fault for letting my T3 6+ save unit near you!

Are you sure you're playing it right? Assuming they aren't stupid enough to stand still:
Land Raider - unlikely, you need slightly more than 3 Wyches for every 2 Hull Points
3x Leman Russ - same as Land Raider, except that with 5 Wyches no matter how good you roll you'll wreck at most 1.
Harlie-star with 2+ re-rollable - this is only possible if you ally Craftworld Eldar with Corsair Eldar. Dark Eldar are not allowed to be Fortuned by Craftworld Eldar according to FAQ.

I was intending to say all of there accomplishments as wyches, not as squads. I play with a lot of wyches and it was a unit of ten which charged the leman russ's and a unit of 5 killed a landraider in a different match, sorry for not making that clear. Also dark halie-star is well know, at least since i started to play it at my LGS . I have an alliedd detachment of eldar with a seer and a unit of ALLIED quins, joined by an archon. Therefore the unit is an eldar unit (allied, not dark Quins) so i can fortune the unit, archon included. Otherwords, FUN!

My farseer jetbike with spirit stones got alot of complaints. It seems that people dont like it when you can either eldritch storm or mind war them.

In the previous chaos book someone complained when I fielded Abbadon (Just cause him and a unit of zerkers ran through his boyz mob in 2 turns). Oh and my partner complained when I beat his death guard list with a fluffy Thousand Sons list

People constantly cry when i slap out a full ork slogger list. The amount of models you get for 1000 points is horrific and nobody can deal with it. I also love using the commissar model i got from www.modelz4cheaper.com. Really Really cool.

My Deathwing aren't making any friends currently. Split-fire, twin-linked on the turn they arrive and when I drop a 10-man squad with Belial, I place them precisely where I want them. Then they remember I only have 28 models total at 1850 and they simmer down.

Maybe it's just my lucky rolls, last week I rolled to hit against an Annihilation Barge on the turn my DW arrived. I rolled two hits with a CML (split fire), for armor penetration and followed that with two 5's on the chart. Then I hosed a 10-man Necron Warrior squad with the HF and killed them all.

My only gripe I can really think of occurring repetitively was Pre-6th DA. More specifically, a squad my mate played that he dubbed "Firestorm". Belial in a 5 man squad with banner, apoth, and a mix of stuff. Now when you throw all sorts of armies at the unit and find it just won't sodding die, then we wonder what we're doing wrong and hence call it broken

 Ascalam wrote:

Actually the only model i field that anyone whines about overmuch is my Lootas.

Here is the hate I get:

Lootas - "You always get X number of shots every time". Its random rolling and even a 15 min S7 hits at a nice range makes them good any day of the week, imo. The range is what I think gets people as well, because rarely do I get this grief about my shoota boys. Who rarely get enough boys within shooting range.

Dakkajet - At S6 AP4 I insta-kill any non-power armored army I go up against. But people fail to realize that it will most likely only get 2 shots off before hitting the table edge. Also its AV10 makes it extremely vulnerable to twinlinked x>S8 shots. So Broadsides? Yeah they eat it for breakfast.

DontEatRawHagis wrote:

 Ascalam wrote:

Actually the only model i field that anyone whines about overmuch is my Lootas.

Here is the hate I get:

Lootas - "You always get X number of shots every time". Its random rolling and even a 15 min S7 hits at a nice range makes them good any day of the week, imo. The range is what I think gets people as well, because rarely do I get this grief about my shoota boys. Who rarely get enough boys within shooting range.

Dakkajet - At S6 AP4 I insta-kill any non-power armored army I go up against. But people fail to realize that it will most likely only get 2 shots off before hitting the table edge. Also its AV10 makes it extremely vulnerable to twinlinked x>S8 shots. So Broadsides? Yeah they eat it for breakfast.

I've had my unit of 18 Pink Horrors down Dakkajets in a single volley.

God forbid the Changeling pulls off his trademark "Go-go-Gaget-shoot-the-Lootas!" trick to boot! (did that to my Orky buddy who'd also called his Waaaagh! that turn too, so for 5pts, I murdered a good chunk of his prized unit!)


Dakkajets die to a stiff breeze - either a large squad of dudes with S4/5 guns rapid firing the things, or anything S6+ & twin-linked makes them cry.

 Griddlelol wrote:
My Executioner Russ got a reputation at my old LGS and a lot of complaints.
Never really understood why. It's not my fault everyone seems to like clustering up in nice small blast marker sized packages.

Pretty much this.

Also, people tend to have a problem with me fielding a commissar in nearly every squad I have, for some reason.