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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 14:34:43
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
On an Express Elevator to Hell!!
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paulson games wrote:My local store has got it right, they ban all GW stuff.
Not because of death from the skies but because GW is a bunch of d-bags. Years ago we had an awesome shop called Brain Snacks which was the largest GW seller in the Midwest. They moved tons of it, so much so that GW decided to send in staff to do all sorts of promotions, they sweet talked all the gamers and ran tournies and gave away product, then promptly opened up their Batle Bunker and Regional HQ less than 5 minutes away.
They may produce great models but GW's business strategies are completely toxic to the gaming community.
*SNIP*
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Yes that was well known in the early 90's, and is something that happened in the UK as well as US (assuming that is where you are referring to). I worked in an independent that used to stock GW - perfectly fine relationship until a GW opened 5 minutes away across the town. Suddenly new releases started turning up weeks late or not at all, big sellers wouldn't come in the re-supply, and the same again the sales rep just became really evasive and actually quite imaginative in terms of the excuses that were given for why the previously reliable supply had suddenly become untenable. All BS of course - luckily the Independent sold enough other stuff (being a general modelling/railway store) that it didn't take the hit of losing GW that badly.
So really I suppose in that light the business practices haven't changed that much - you could use lots of fruity language at this point to describe it, but really this amongst all of the other issues speaks for itself.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 14:38:18
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Tell the people coming to your store that GW refused to ship the books to you - there, everyone's happy.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 14:43:23
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Fixture of Dakka
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Savageconvoy wrote:It's hard not to put consumers in the middle ground, since we are the sales. The store owners are offering to help move players over to another game system, but are discouraged from working with GW. They aren't turning customers away at the door, while GW are turning customers actively from the door of the LGS to pull more traffic to their online store.
The stores involve us in the same way that if we boycott GW products, we'd be involving our FLGS. To send a message you have to impact sales, through boycott or switching games.
But I find it really odd that people are getting upset at the small game stores for trying to stand up, when we just had an excellent example earlier in the month of GW trying to crush the little guy (Woman in this particular instance). It's not an issue of them using us as a weapon, but merely the store owners trying to tell GW that they are not going to cater to them and they are establishing their own ground rules and encouraging people to trade in 40K for something else. I've never been to one, but doesn't the stores run by GW refuse third party models or something that's excessively converted?
I don't mind that the store is trying to stand up against GW. That is their decision. But when the store tries to do that by banning products on an individual basis, and trying to push people to change buying habits to a system the store likes better, they are not standing up against GW, but instead trying to manipulate their customers. If they wanted to stop stocking GW and/or ban GW games from the store, fine. But banning a single GW product is just being petty.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 14:50:34
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Ruthless Interrogator
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Buzzsaw wrote: Starfarer wrote:Da Butcha wrote:
GW used to provide updated rules for the unit in the FAQ, allowing those of us who had already paid for the rules for the unit to actually use the unit in a GW game.
Now, despite the fact that I've paid GW for the model, and for the rules, I have to buy the rules again, because GW has decided not to include rules updates in their rules updates.
You paid for a White Dwarf which contained rules for a model released outside of the codex. Now they have released newer rules(possibly) for that model. Would you have preferred they not release the new Ork flyer models until 2014 or whenever they release the next Ork codex?
Why are those the only 2 options? There was a time, not so very long ago, when rule updates that did not rise to the level of a new expansion or codex were, gasp, released for free on their website. Not even in the FAQ, as DB mentions, they used to flat out give away rules that weren't in a position to be sold. There was an entire Blood Angels Codex released in this fashion, Kroot mercenary lists, etc., etc....
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Because that is how GW is currently operating. Yes, they should have released the rules via PDF alongside the WD release or shortly after, and it's extremely lame to not support non-iOS devices for digital downloads(although I realize there are plans for Android digital items in the future). I won't argue that.
Xzerios wrote: Starfarer wrote:You paid for a White Dwarf which contained rules for a model released outside of the codex. Now they have released newer rules(possibly) for that model. Would you have preferred they not release the new Ork flyer models until 2014 or whenever they release the next Ork codex?
As a consumer that paid for those items, it seems just that hes entitled to play with those rules. The fact GW is pushing a new book with the methods its currently using is appalling.
The fact your here either as the white knight (which I hope your not) or as devil's advocate leaves only my disdain for you. This sir is a problem for the 40k gaming community at large and you should see this problem for what it is.
A double slap; both to the regular FLGS not being able to stock this *required* addendum, and to the consumer in that their WD purchase was just invalidated by this books requirement to play with those models affected.
You are not entitled to anything. The fact that so many people equate a single purchase from a company to a lifetime of support with no further cost is hilarious. Do you also feel entitled to free DLC from a video game because you bought the game? Rules change in wargaming, and those rules changes necessitate new books.
I'm not a white knight, but I was wondering when someone was going to drop that. The fact is Dakka is so skewed towards being rabidly anti- GW anyone trying to remain relatively neutral immediately gets labeled a white knight, or gets shouted down and told to leave.
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Heeeyyyyyyyyyyy Starfarer,
Step into my office...
I bought a model.
I bought a rulebook.
I bought a codex.
I still cannot use the model I bought for my army, despite these purchases, because the rules have been placed in another book. I cannot even buy this book locally or at a discount online, only from GW themselves. The vast amount of that book is optional rules that have little chance of making it into my games, yet there will be 3 vehicle profiles that I need to use flyers in my ork army.
And I know, when they finally release the ork army book, this same information will either be suddenly revised and then the book utterly useless to me, or the same information will be repeated.
And you still cannot grasp why we're pissed off?
Really?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 14:52:15
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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So you don't have a credible response.
Well, I will be dealing with it. But I won't be making a purchase from GW.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 14:58:21
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Fixture of Dakka
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blackdiamond wrote:"But you are making your customers hostages with your actions which seems rude and would turn off customers."
I can certainly see that now.
This is something that seemed like a minor thing, like banning a Forge World book. Now it seems to have a significance that wasn't fully understood (mostly because GW kept it a secret from us). The last thing I would want is to offend our customers, which it seems I've done tremendously well today. It would have been better to have simply dropped all 40K events or made an inventory decision, not that I plan to do those things yet. That's a more traditional retail way of solving problems with suppliers. I would certainly like to walk this one back, but I also see it as a direct attack from Games Workshop that can't be ignored.
Gary L. Ray
Black Diamond Games, Ltd.
1950 Market Street, Suite E
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www.blackdiamondgames.com
blackdiamondgames.blogspot.com
I may not agree with your actions, but you definitely get points for your engagement with the community. Bravo.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 14:59:26
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Courageous Space Marine Captain
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Eh, it is just that people are overreacting. This is mildly annoying at most, not a huge outrage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:03:57
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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[DCM]
GW Public Relations Manager (Privateer Press Mole)
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First and last warning for the thread--keep it polite and objective. Animated gifs and photo responses with no content are considered spam, please post accordingly.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:07:59
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Screaming Shining Spear
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Starfarer wrote:You are not entitled to anything. The fact that so many people equate a single purchase from a company to a lifetime of support with no further cost is hilarious. Do you also feel entitled to free DLC from a video game because you bought the game? Rules change in wargaming, and those rules changes necessitate new books.
I'm not a white knight, but I was wondering when someone was going to drop that. The fact is Dakka is so skewed towards being rabidly anti- GW anyone trying to remain relatively neutral immediately gets labeled a white knight, or gets shouted down and told to leave.
No, but he isn't pissed that he didn't get free DLC. He did buy the the Fliers DLC. The point is that suddenly he has to buy more expensive Fliers and Friends DLC because his last DLC just stopped working for no reason other than: "buy new one!".
The context of the purchased thing is the same. It's not something new, something improved, something cheaper. It's the exact same thing just more expensive.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:10:31
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Ruthless Interrogator
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:
So you don't have a credible response.
Well, I will be dealing with it. But I won't be making a purchase from GW.
Seeing as how this is how you respond to people, why would I waste time time trying to have a serious discussion about anything with you? If you can't show basic respect to other posters here, don't expect me to give you the same.
AgeOfEgos wrote:First and last warning for the thread--keep it polite and objective. Animated gifs and photo responses with no content are considered spam, please post accordingly.
Right the gif is the problem not the people telling other posters to GTFO, or advocating on insinuating use illegal downloads. I thought those were against Dakka rules?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:14:14
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Foxy Wildborne
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What a childish and pathetic gesture.
The book will not be allowed in our stores and is considered contraband.
That word. I do not think it means what they think it means.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:19:00
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Starfarer wrote:
AgeOfEgos wrote:First and last warning for the thread--keep it polite and objective. Animated gifs and photo responses with no content are considered spam, please post accordingly.
Right the gif is the problem not the people telling other posters to GTFO, or advocating on insinuating use illegal downloads. I thought those were against Dakka rules?
I am going to assume that his reminder to keep it polite are aimed at the people telling others off.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:25:22
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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yeah, Buzzsaw wrote: Starfarer wrote:Da Butcha wrote: GW used to provide updated rules for the unit in the FAQ, allowing those of us who had already paid for the rules for the unit to actually use the unit in a GW game. Now, despite the fact that I've paid GW for the model, and for the rules, I have to buy the rules again, because GW has decided not to include rules updates in their rules updates. You paid for a White Dwarf which contained rules for a model released outside of the codex. Now they have released newer rules(possibly) for that model. Would you have preferred they not release the new Ork flyer models until 2014 or whenever they release the next Ork codex? Why are those the only 2 options? There was a time, not so very long ago, when rule updates that did not rise to the level of a new expansion or codex were, gasp, released for free on their website. Not even in the FAQ, as DB mentions, they used to flat out give away rules that weren't in a position to be sold. There was an entire Blood Angels Codex released in this fashion, Kroot mercenary lists, etc., etc....
There is a third way , one that has been taken before and everyone loved. I'd still have bought this book if the ork bombers and SM bricks where released as pdfs. for the fluff the convenience and the missions. But make no mistake by removing the WD content fix from the FAQ to force ork players with the WD rules to buy this book GW are being bullies. clively wrote:The best way to handle this would have been to include the rules for the flyers in the regular FAQ updates. If they wanted to include them in a white dwarf then fine. However, making people pay the price of a codex in order to get the rules for a single model in their army is more than OTT.
I agree and we have evidence that GW know how to be reasonable and release single page pdfs Starfarer wrote: Well I did say maybe. So you are saying people are upset about the book because the rules might change, but so far all we know is one flyer for sure is referenced in the new book via the FAQ. And 8 pages of GW bashing about that seems reasonable?
yes. especially since we are dealing with ork fliers in a forum called 'dakka dakka'... Everyone hates a bully. BDG and Gnome Games are trying (pathetically) to stand up to the Bully and that should at least be recognised... rubbish as it was. GW needs to do the right thing and release all Flier info in the FAQs/pdfs... there isn't enough info in this book for each army to warrant it must have status! Everyone here knows who's being a bully... (or is suffering from the dreaded white knight version of stockholm syndrome.) I've already bought the book, I'll not be voting with my wallet, but I will be contacting them directly and raising my concerns.. I'll also be copying/pasting bits and pieces from this thread to their facebook page. Panic...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:28:25
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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BDG and Gnome Games are in a hard place.
By standing up to the big bully they risk becoming bullies themselves by telling their customers what they can and cannot do at their stores.
If BDG and Gnome Games would simply say "If you didn't buy it in my store, you cannot play it in my store" (which is basically the message) the community would not respond so favorably I think. Their only possible redeeming factor is that the customers are not the target of the action, only collateral damage.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:32:11
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Mutated Chosen Chaos Marine
*bursts though room with axe* HEEEAAARRRS JHONNY!!!
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While I agree with trying to stick up for yourself against GW I dont agree with banning the book mainly because this book gives BT a massive boost, and when I say massive I mean Imperator titan massive, they went from no flyers to all the flyers they can eat buffet and what these flyers can give to BT are great. and Vanilla marines got Stormravens, which was a nice little boost to them... Note: I do not play SM or BT but I do feel sorry for those BT players who in a way needed this update...
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:41:02
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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happygolucky wrote:While I agree with trying to stick up for yourself against GW I dont agree with banning the book mainly because this book gives BT a massive boost, and when I say massive I mean Imperator titan massive, they went from no flyers to all the flyers they can eat buffet and what these flyers can give to BT are great.
If the reason to ban the book is simply because of what BT got, that would be absurd.
I think though much of the discussion has revolved around what LFGS are doing because they were not involved in the release of this book and can only get it like a regular customer can from GW direct.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:41:13
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The right thing to do would have been free PDFs, hell they used to have the entire WD blood angel codex as a PDF, free to print and play, but I'm expected to buy a mostly irrelevant to me book just to obtain necessary rules for part of my several thousand dollar army? Anyone defending this is on very unsure footing, I cannot understand how anything could be used as a defence in this case. It also only targets certain armies and therefore is an example of unbalanced customer service.
These flyer rules, in full, should be up on the site now, free to download, print and play. It is shifting the unwritten rules of the contract we entered into in our purchasing choice.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:41:33
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
Mesopotamia. The Kingdom Where we Secretly Reign.
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I guess I'll have to order a copy of this book from GW and get on with my life.
I think the store owner in the OP is being a bit melodramatic.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:43:37
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Fixture of Dakka
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d-usa wrote:BDG and Gnome Games are in a hard place.
By standing up to the big bully they risk becoming bullies themselves by telling their customers what they can and cannot do at their stores.
If BDG and Gnome Games would simply say "If you didn't buy it in my store, you cannot play it in my store" (which is basically the message) the community would not respond so favorably I think. Their only possible redeeming factor is that the customers are not the target of the action, only collateral damage.
To be honest, how else exactly can these LGS's compete with this sort of an action?
Other then the draconian, "Burn down the walls and burn GW products at the stake", What exactly is the process that these guys have to show thier issues?
We already have enough issue with GW shelving product in FLGS's, as in they want to persue the "One Man Band" routine, while at the same time try to inflict maximum damage into local game communities. And for all that "Thats not really what they do..." routine- That is exactly what happens.
Is there some sort of place or someone to call over in the ivory tower that GW thinks they live in to deal with issues of this nature? I thought that they had some sort of "Community rep" over in Memphis TN. Is that not the case, now?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 15:52:17
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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So here is a question (and forgive me if I missed it somewhere else in the thread) but are the big events like Adepticon, Nova, Wargames Con BAO and others planning on incorporating these new rules or are they going to ban them as well? Seems to me that if these events banned the use of this product it would have more an effect. Maybe not enough to make GW notice per se but they would effect more gamers as a whole than a couple of stores would.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 16:21:48
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Bikeninja wrote:So here is a question (and forgive me if I missed it somewhere else in the thread) but are the big events like Adepticon, Nova, Wargames Con BAO and others planning on incorporating these new rules or are they going to ban them as well? Seems to me that if these events banned the use of this product it would have more an effect. Maybe not enough to make GW notice per se but they would effect more gamers as a whole than a couple of stores would.
Highly doubt it but if they are smart they will have to add something about giving copies to their opponents the special rules about flyers in their games.
In my tournament games this is a non issue as it is a requirement to show the TO copies on what you are bringing including special rules.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 16:26:16
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Lol, funny thought. If you play a game and your opponent go Vendetta spams. Just ask if he have Death from the Skies. If not, he can't use the Vendetta lol
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 16:36:25
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Huge Hierodule
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How pathetic.
"Baaaaaaawwwww, this new product is direct order only so I can't make money off it! Screw you GW! I'm banning your book from my store! Everyone play Warmahordes instead! BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!"
Sigh.
Yeah, GW have some pretty stupid business practices (£50 Stormraven is pushing it a bit, GW) but this kind of response is feeble. It hurts the customers more than it hurts GW, who don't at the end of the day deserve to be "hurt" for this. They made a book direct-only. Hardly a crime against humanity.
Also, remember that even if this did hurt GW, the only people in GW who will be hurt are the poor run-of-the-mill employees, like the moldmakers, the managers, the pencil pushers, the store employees...the real "enemy", the fat cats at the head of the business will just lay them off and won't have to worry at all.
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buddha wrote:I've decided that these GW is dead/dying threads that pop up every-week must be followers and cultists of nurgle perpetuating the need for decay. I therefore declare that that such threads are heresy and subject to exterminatus. So says the Inquisition! |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 16:42:53
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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SickSix wrote: Tannhauser42 wrote:It is a slap to the face of the independent stores. You can sell the Stormtalon in your store, but you can't sell the rulebook that includes the Stormtalon's rules. How do you explain that to a customer?
This.
I'm actually trying to understand the blowback here. Those same stores have been selling the stormtalon and ork fighters without the ability to sell rules for them for some time now, because the rules only appeared in a way out of print WD or through iPad books. Seems to me as if the situation hasn't changed.
Yes, the rules for those units should have been freely available for download from GWs site or just included in the boxes to begin with. Doing otherwise was short sighted as it turns a $45 model into a $78 one, so I'm not arguing that item. I am also by no means defending GWs decision to indirectly raise prices again; which is essentially what this did.
What I'm failing to see is the actual indy retailer impact.
Now, if they want to say that:
1. GW has failed to provide the ability for an indy to stock the same items a GW branded store can carry;
2. GW pricing policies has caused local customer shifts to other rule systems; and,
3. GW indy retailer support for resupply is sporadic and unreliable.
Then I could absolutely see a store deciding to drop GW products completely and push other systems. I would even fully support their decision to do so; obviously the indy is being treated like crap. However, those are issues that have been around awhile. IMHO, it makes sense for GW to require regular stocking and sales of certain standard items like rulebooks and battleforces in order to ensure it's not just some guy and a group of friends looking to get a decent discount; however limiting an established stores ability to sell other items is silly.
That said, for the indy's in question to simply state that a book the store cannot order will not be allowed is disingenuous. After all I'm pretty sure they couldn't stock FW books or even models as even our local GW store can't, were those not recognized as playable on the indy's tables as well?
Getting back to Adepticon/Nova etc; there is zero reason for those events to ban this book. They have neither a moral nor a financial reason to be interested in how the rules for particular units are acquired. Their only concern is whether the player in question has those rules on hand. So, ruminating on that is a waste of time.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 16:43:25
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Hacking Proxy Mk.1
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For a company that claims to be a 'model company, not a rules company' it is amazing how much they try and squeeze people for rules.
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Fafnir wrote:Oh, I certainly vote with my dollar, but the problem is that that is not enough. The problem with the 'vote with your dollar' response is that it doesn't take into account why we're not buying the product. I want to enjoy 40k enough to buy back in. It was my introduction to traditional games, and there was a time when I enjoyed it very much. I want to buy 40k, but Gamesworkshop is doing their very best to push me away, and simply not buying their product won't tell them that. |
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 16:43:35
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Joined the Military for Authentic Experience
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A far more rational thing might have been to just gently steer the customers towards other products - TBH I think a lot of indies do that anyway, rather than to just get mad and involve customers with GW's myopic business decisions.
But, the fact that the store owner (and others like it apparently) have taken this action makes me think of someone pushed to breaking point, and this was finally the straw that broke the camels back. Once again the Monty Python fish slapping dance comes into play - several small mackerel-slaps to the face repeatedly, and he's been upset to the point that the only way you can respond is with an almighty thwack around the chops with a fully grown haddock. It's happened before, and will happen again.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 16:45:30
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Khorne Veteran Marine with Chain-Axe
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hotsauceman1 wrote:I agree, I was going to buy a Stormraven. But now im not because my store banned it for me now apprently.
Maybe as a protest i will get all the people from my store to buy it, then bring it in. I dont get how this is a "Screw You" to GW, its a screw you to customers who would otherwise be willing to spend there money there.
its a screw you to GW because the store and its customers (I imagine the store owner got the cojones to do this from his/her patrons) have decided that they are tired of what we are all tired of, making money for the sake of making money... if you squeeze every dime out of the customer you throw off the local economy of said purchasers and make yourself out to be a fat cat that cares little for the concerns of its buyers... the reason why GW has lasted this long is because it used to be a company that cared about its customers opinions (see current PP customer relations campaign).
Furthermore, these stores arent saying you cant use their models at the store, they are just saying that they no longer wish to cater to GW's money squeezing method and that they are tired of lop-sided armies...
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"I ayn't so eezy ta kill... heheheh..."
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 16:46:58
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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Squigsquasher wrote:How pathetic.
"Baaaaaaawwwww, this new product is direct order only so I can't make money off it! Screw you GW! I'm banning your book from my store! Everyone play Warmahordes instead! BAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!"
Sigh.
Yeah, GW have some pretty stupid business practices (£50 Stormraven is pushing it a bit, GW) but this kind of response is feeble. It hurts the customers more than it hurts GW, who don't at the end of the day deserve to be "hurt" for this. They made a book direct-only. Hardly a crime against humanity.
Also, remember that even if this did hurt GW, the only people in GW who will be hurt are the poor run-of-the-mill employees, like the moldmakers, the managers, the pencil pushers, the store employees...the real "enemy", the fat cats at the head of the business will just lay them off and won't have to worry at all.
It is... what it is...
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Adam's Motto: Paint, Create, Play, but above all, have fun. -and for something silly below-
"We are the Ultramodrines, And We Shall Fear No Trolls. bear this USR with pride".
Also, how does one apply to be a member of the Ultramodrines? Are harsh trials involved, ones that would test my faith as a wargamer and resolve as a geek?
You must recite every rule of Dakka Dakka. BACKWARDS.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 16:51:48
Subject: Re:Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Crazed Bloodkine
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MeanGreenStompa wrote:The right thing to do would have been free PDFs, hell they used to have the entire WD blood angel codex as a PDF, free to print and play, but I'm expected to buy a mostly irrelevant to me book just to obtain necessary rules for part of my several thousand dollar army?
I'm not trying to troll , but honestly, whats another $33 + tax/shipping if its for something you already put several thousand dollars into? Its even less if you pull in some members of your gaming group and split it.
Yes, it would have been great if it was free, but knowing how GW is, did you realistically expect something substantially popular from GW to be free?
Its worth mentioning that I'm in the same position as you, I'm an Ork player as well, with at least a couple thousand put into it my army, so only part of this book appeals to me. Hell, I'm about to purchase at least 6 Krommlech Mega-Nobs and I don't even use them. I actually use Dakkajets and their variants, so I ordered the book.
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"Sometimes the only victory possible is to keep your opponent from winning." - The Emperor, from The Outcast Dead.
"Tell your gods we are coming for them, and that their realms will burn as ours did." -Thostos Bladestorm
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/02/17 16:53:49
Subject: Retailers ban Death from the Skies
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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jonolikespie wrote:For a company that claims to be a 'model company, not a rules company' it is amazing how much they try and squeeze people for rules.
You know they are only saying this real loud now because of the ChapterHouse lawsuit.
This only proves that they are a game company after all.
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Adam's Motto: Paint, Create, Play, but above all, have fun. -and for something silly below-
"We are the Ultramodrines, And We Shall Fear No Trolls. bear this USR with pride".
Also, how does one apply to be a member of the Ultramodrines? Are harsh trials involved, ones that would test my faith as a wargamer and resolve as a geek?
You must recite every rule of Dakka Dakka. BACKWARDS.
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