Harriticus wrote:
Ugh, the Broadside Missile variant is too much. I liked the old design much more. GW knew the limit back then.

 Kroothawk wrote:

 pretre wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Box with 3 Crisis Suits is indeed 50 €.

So going off the French prices on the GW site, that's a pretty stiff increase. (10.50€ right now for 1)
Whereas the US are getting a huge discount.
Oh GW, you so crazy.

Look again: It is 19,50 €., so a 8.50€ discount.

 TheMind wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Ugh, the Broadside Missile variant is too much. I liked the old design much more. GW knew the limit back then.

Heresy! The missile broadside is the greatest thing since the regular broadside! ALL OF THE MISSILES FOREVER!!

 Mathieu Raymond wrote:
It's actually not bad, Pretre, I would have gone for something very, very similar for #3.

 Kanluwen wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Ugh, the Broadside Missile variant is too much. I liked the old design much more. GW knew the limit back then.

I'm a bit leery of the Broadmissile, but I can understand what they're doing.

With the "old" Broadside, the Smart Missile System was an auxiliary weapon system. The Railguns were the main weapons, with the SMS as back-up or alternatively replaced with Plasma Rifles for a more reliable usage without needing Markerlights.
With the Broadmissile, the missile system is the primary weapon system.

RogueRegault wrote:

 TheMind wrote:

 Harriticus wrote:
Ugh, the Broadside Missile variant is too much. I liked the old design much more. GW knew the limit back then.

Heresy! The missile broadside is the greatest thing since the regular broadside! ALL OF THE MISSILES FOREVER!!

I just wish the missile pods were a bit more like the flip-up lid style on Gundams, Legioss, and Armored Valkyries rather than the featureless cylinders sticking out of a box. Might have to get some of the Paulson Games box launchers.

Someone's going to have to make a conversion with all the missiles launching with corkscrew contrails Itano Circus style.

I'm lucky enough to have my copy of the WD (English version) already in my hands. I've read only a couple of the first pages showcasing the release (literally just got home and sat down) and already I can say that, for example, the Razorshark can swap it's burst cannon for a missile pod, houses two seeker missiles in compartments above it's wings - plus that the main armament is indeed a quad ion weapon with 360 arc.

(...)
Well, more as I go: The Riptide. Apparently it's highly posable, "featuring joints at ankles, knees, hips, waist, shoulders and neck". So this is good news at least modeling-wise. Also, Riptide comes with five support systems - I'm not sure if this means the kit contains five of these or does it indeed have five hardpoints reserved for the various support systems. I suspect the former. There's a mention of a "velocity tracker" as a some kind of a new support system.

(...)
Okay, some more:

Missile drones as such apparently only come with the Broadside kit (not the shielded ones that come with Riptide). Not a difficult stretch to covert, though. The heavy rail rifles on Broadsides are twinlinked, and apparently either version, the heavy railrifle as well as the one packed with missiles can take a single seeker missile as an additional weapon.

Not much to say about the new commander with the Enforcer armour, apparently not too much compatible with existing XV8 models, since the pose is rather rigid. And yes, Finecast. The weapons portrayed are indeed the AFP and the CIB. The last picture on the page and especially the caption indicates the Crisis squad size has gone up from the previous 3, since there's 4 in the picture in addition to the commander and it's described as a squad.

Farsight, it's the Dawn Blade that we see there. Not much else to add, except perhaps the mention about there not being any question about where Farsight's loyalties lie since the "symbol of the Fire Caste proudly worn on his chest."

The Pathfinders' ion rifle is a new experimental weapon apprently exclusive to the Pathfinders. Six different drones can be built from the kit. Nothing to add about Darkstrider that we don't already know. Except that it's a "he", not "she" : ).

Squinting at the codex imagery, I can make out that the Cadre Fireblade has the following statistics:

WS4, BS5, S3, T3, W3, I3, A3, Ld9 and a 4+ save. He's Infantry(Character), and carries Combat armour (probably just the regular FW armor since it's listed on the FW entry too), pulse rifle, photon grenades and a markerlight.

He also has following Special Rules: Independent Character, Split Fire and Supporting Fire. Volley Fire: (paraphrased) not moving in the Movement phase, he and every model in his unit fire an additional shot (limited to pulse rifles and carbines).

Firewarrior stats:

WS2, BS3, S3, T3, W1, I2, A1, Ld7, 4+. Shas'uis are the same as these days. They carry combat armour, pulse rifles and photon grenades. Also have the Special Rule: Supporting Fire.

(...)
Alright, some more then. In random order, what I could deduce from the battlereport and decipher from the images.

All ion weapons are apparently overchargeable. This leads us to the two Interceptor Drones on the Sunshark. They're detachable, and armed with ionrifles that can be overcharged to produce a S8 Blast each. Fairly neat, I'd say. So the Sunshark's weaponry is twin-linked missile pod, 2 Interceptor Drones with twin-linked ionrifles, 2 seeker missiles and of course the main bombing armament. And the Sunshark is a Fast Attack choice in the FOC.

Speaking of FOC, looks like it's confirmed that the Riptide is indeed an Elite slot - no indication to the amount you can field, though. Curiously enough, in the 'rep lists the entry says "One XV104 Riptide..." which could be interpreted that there might be a way to field more in a single Elite slot. Don't know how far-fetched that is, but still...

Velocity Tracker is the Skyfire upgrade. Riptides and Broadsides at least can field these.

The ionrifle that the Pathfinders field contraticts a little with it being said being exclusive to the Pathfinders, but still the drones can field it too. But it seems to be the same weapon. Probably with severe restrictions (like 1 per team or 1 per 5 Pathfinders) but it does compete with the existing rail rifle. Pathfinders are still in Fast Attack.

Supporting Fire is an army special rule, so if not all, then at least a vast majority of the army possesses this. At least Broadsides did, according to the 'rep. And well, it is an army special rule. And yes, this is the one enabling nearby units to overwatch in addition to the just one that's being assaulted.

Stealth teams are still in Elite-slot. And the upgrade for BS2 overwatch is called "Counterfire defence systems". Hard to say if this is a support system or a team upgrade.

Broadsides still in Heavy Support.

For some odd reason all Crisis-suits seemed to be carrying the bonding knife. Not just the team leader anymore, apprently. And deducing from the hardpoint choices, multitracker indeed seems to be built in to the suits now. Still no idea what the elusive Puretide engram neurochip actually does, but it is carried by the XV8-05 commander in the 'rep. CIB and AFP are still experimental, it seems.

There's a codex size-comparison chart for the battlesuits, where it can be seen how the new Enforcer suit and the Broadside suit is 1,5 times as tall as the regular XV8. Not sure how well this translates to the models, but with what we've seen, that may be the case pretty accurately.

Deducing from the markerlight usage in the 'rep, the Crisis and the Broadsides still remain as BS3 units.

That's about it, I'll come back with more if I notice anything worthwhile.

[edit: Oh, and the Riptide's Ion Accelerator is S8 Large Blast when overcharged. Not S9, remembering that it's been speculated.]

kestral wrote:
On the whole, I'm neutral to negative. There seems to be something wrong with the proportions of the fire warrior brandishing the sheathed knife - like his torso is too long or legs too short or something.

 Kroothawk wrote:
Some info extracted from WD by Siyath over at ATT:
Not much to say about the new commander with the Enforcer armour, apparently not too much compatible with existing XV8 models, since the pose is rather rigid. And yes, Finecast. The weapons portrayed are indeed the AFP and the CIB. The last picture on the page and especially the caption indicates the Crisis squad size has gone up from the previous 3, since there's 4 in the picture in addition to the commander and it's described as a squad.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Squinting at the codex imagery, I can make out that the Cadre Fireblade has the following statistics:

WS4, BS5, S3, T3, W3, I3, A3, Ld9 and a 4+ save. He's Infantry(Character), and carries Combat armour (probably just the regular FW armor since it's listed on the FW entry too), pulse rifle, photon grenades and a markerlight.

 Kroothawk wrote:
A lot of interesting stuff

 Maelstrom808 wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
A lot of interesting stuff

This dex is sounding better and better. Depending on what they do with devilfish, it really sounds like they've started to nail down the "mobile gunline" feel that Tau should have while putting a lot of emphasis on tech, rather than raw stats. Being better at deterring assaults rather than being better in assault itself is also the direction I was hoping for. Interceptor drones sound vaguely terrifying to deepstrikers and outflankers.

Rustgob wrote:
I was really stoked, But I really dislike the hand-mounted launchers of the Missileside, that and if I can't take Drones as troops, Stealthsuits as troops or have special weapons in my FW squads, I'm not as interested any-more.

Rustgob wrote:
I was really stoked, But I really dislike the hand-mounted launchers of the Missileside, that and if I can't take Drones as troops, Stealthsuits as troops or have special weapons in my FW squads, I'm not as interested any-more.

Wolfnid420 wrote:

Rustgob wrote:
I was really stoked, But I really dislike the hand-mounted launchers of the Missileside, that and if I can't take Drones as troops, Stealthsuits as troops or have special weapons in my FW squads, I'm not as interested any-more.

I was definitely excited for a new troop choice like stealths. Who knows? Maybe carbines and rifles will be so different it'll cause them to be separate troop entries?

Rustgob wrote:

I'd just like some more flexibility. I never field kroot, as it's the FW Aesthetic I like, and I never liked their rigidity. One of my favourite Tau units are XV25s.

Sadly, using special characters is Anathema to me, so even if I can 'unlock XV25 troops', it won't feel like it's my Army. Having -any- special character, even converted, makes me feel like I'm playing a pre-designed army and it saps the fun, personally.

 frgsinwntr wrote:
I found how I am going to Proxy my missile sides until i build them/paint them...

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Backfire wrote:

 Kroothawk wrote:
Some info extracted from WD by Siyath over at ATT:
Not much to say about the new commander with the Enforcer armour, apparently not too much compatible with existing XV8 models, since the pose is rather rigid. And yes, Finecast. The weapons portrayed are indeed the AFP and the CIB. The last picture on the page and especially the caption indicates the Crisis squad size has gone up from the previous 3, since there's 4 in the picture in addition to the commander and it's described as a squad.

Hmm, curious, and possibly quite powerful if true.

 Kroothawk wrote:

Squinting at the codex imagery, I can make out that the Cadre Fireblade has the following statistics:

WS4, BS5, S3, T3, W3, I3, A3, Ld9 and a 4+ save. He's Infantry(Character), and carries Combat armour (probably just the regular FW armor since it's listed on the FW entry too), pulse rifle, photon grenades and a markerlight.

Wow, that's rather huge statline for a Fire Warrior. Three wounds for non-Crisis character?

So Fire Warriors have Photon grenades as standard. I suspected it would be the case.

Coyote81 wrote:
I think it's actually the opposite result. Don't get me wrong I like the changes (mostly because I just want changes), but honestly it reduces the mobile aspect of the army.

- Receive +1 shot when staying stationary when firing rifle or carbine. Reduce mobility for sure.
- Supporting Fire: We now need to keep a majority of our units closer together to make best use of their firepower, seems like a reduction in mobility since we are reduced to the speed of the slowest unit to maintain this formation. Firewarrior are slow for sure, especially if maintaining still for extra firepower.
- Rumored loss of Ability for our tanks to fire "as if they were fast"

None of these seem to make me think the army is headed to a more mobile gunline, I feel like we are headed toward a more IG type gunline. But I'm OK with the changes, I just want the codex to change and bring bout new tactics.

ps. Also concerned with the points costs, i really hope all these new addons are cheap and not similiar or higher priced then the current book. Otherwise i can see the Riptide quickly becoming a 300pt model and see now gameplay. I also dislike the idea of are fast attack becoming increasingly amazing as well. We can't afford to spend all of our points on elites and fast, they need to make some decent troops so we can field a competitive army. As of right now, I can predict farsight making crisis suits scoring, and every army is going to be 2 min firewarriors, lots of crisis suits and a few fast and heavy thrown in to fill. Are basic infanty are going to fall into the back drop.