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2013/03/20 11:25:20
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Guard Heavy Weapon Crewman
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In the real world im 6ft 7 and i have seen people bigger than me, so i dont think 2m 20 is all that impossible.
and i have stood next to marine at warhammer world that is supposed to be the correct size, and it dwarfed me.
corbec and bragg were taller than Gaunt if i rememeber correctly, i ve just started re-reading them this week.
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2013/03/20 11:34:11
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Hallowed Canoness
Ireland
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Psienesis wrote:The "canon" Space Marine is like 7'6".
7' to 7'5", according to Jes in the GW Designer Podcast.
/nitpick 
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2013/03/20 11:49:55
Subject: Re:What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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 Grey Templar wrote:It depends on what you define "almost" as being.
GW's official fluff puts marines around 7ft tall.
The Black Library(which is what the GG books you refer to belong) takes many liberties with marine height.
And you don't think there's just a wee bit of deliberate exaggeration?
If a marine with GWs "official" measurements was standing next to you, he'd look absolutely monstrous. Not only is he 7ft somthing, but he's also a good 3 and a half feet wide at the shoulders(in armor)
That will add an illusion of being taller than it actually is. The marine fills up your entire view.
Something outside the norm will always appear more outside than it actually is. Its a quirk of the human mind.
The liberties can be rationalized in that not all humans are with the same height. So tall humans becoming SM's makes them taller, hormonal or some biochemical reaction, genetic drift due to all the time that has passed between our time and 40k era. Also, it could be the fault of the geneseed could be at fault.
 Psienesis wrote:Again, though, this is Abnett-verse, where certain characters are, indeed, freakishly huge. The Space Marines that Eisenhorn works with are of the 12'+ variety.
it sis part of the 40k setting though so *shrug*
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Stated by Grey Templar:The Ward of the Codices
"It began, with the writing of the Great Codices,
2 were given to the Eldar. Immortal, Capricious, and most farsighted of all,
2 also to Chaos. Traitorous, Deceitful, Servants of the Dark Gods,
3 to the Xenos races. T'au, Orks, and Necrons. the Young, the Beast, and the Spiteful,
7 to the race of men. Servents of the God Emperor, the Inheritors of the Galaxy.
But they were all of them, decieved. for another Codex was written…
In the Land of Ward'or, in the Fires of Mount Doom, the Dark Lord Matthew wrote in secret, a Master Codex, to rule all the others. One by one, all the armies of the other Codices fell to the power of the Codex, and from this Darkness, none could see hope.
But there were some, who resisted. a Last Alliance of Men and Xenos took up arms against the forces of Ward'or and on the Slopes of Mount Doom they fought for the freedom of 40k." |
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2013/03/20 16:51:41
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Look at it this way.
Let's say you are about 5' 10" and some crazed dude in power armor is running at you waving a chainsword and screaming about "blood" or "unbelievers". It doesn't matter if the guy is *only* a foot or so taller than you, you'll absolutely believe he was as big as a house. Because in that moment all sanity will have left you, leaving behind nothing but a gibbering idiot (or a red smear...).
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"Why me?" Gideon begged, falling to his knees.
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2013/03/20 16:55:35
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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They think it makes them cool.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
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2013/03/20 17:11:25
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
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40K is a setting of mythical-like heroes, who are often described as being giant in proportions. 40k is epic scale.
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My Armies:
5,500pts 
2,700pts 
2,000pts
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2013/03/20 17:24:56
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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So I guess George Lucas is obsessed with giants too? you know, Darth Vader, and the wookiees and all?
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2013/03/20 17:32:50
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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Well, David Prowse (the man behind the mask of Darth Vader) is a huge dude. Wookiees are aliens, so don't count.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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2013/03/20 17:41:02
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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 SoloFalcon1138 wrote:So I guess George Lucas is obsessed with giants too? you know, Darth Vader, and the wookiees and all?
How are two main characters across six movies an obsession with giants?
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Read my story at:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356
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2013/03/20 17:44:10
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Dark Angels Librarian with Book of Secrets
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 Amaya wrote: SoloFalcon1138 wrote:So I guess George Lucas is obsessed with giants too? you know, Darth Vader, and the wookiees and all?
How are two main characters across six movies an obsession with giants?
Don't forget the wookiee homeworld scenes from Ep III.
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2013/03/20 17:45:44
Subject: Re:What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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You'll note I said main characters. I don't consider a bunch of background wookies in a handful of scenes to being pertinent.
That's like saying Lucas has an obsession with strippers in fishnet because of a handful of Twi'leks appearing the in series.
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Read my story at:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356
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2013/03/20 18:41:35
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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 Lynata wrote:Psienesis wrote:The "canon" Space Marine is like 7'6".
7' to 7'5", according to Jes in the GW Designer Podcast.
/nitpick
That Marine is so obviously 7'6" it hurts.
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2013/03/21 11:38:12
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Kabalite Conscript
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Psienesis wrote:Nah.. like I mentioned upthread, he describes the Space Marine that Eisenhorn is having tea with as having a pinky "the size and shape of an arbiter's truncheon" (direct quote). If you can picture the size of a police baton... if that is a dude's finger, that dude is *gigantic*.
Apparently someone has never heard of hyperbole.
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2013/03/21 11:49:43
Subject: Re:What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Willing Inquisitorial Excruciator
Croatia
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 Furyou Miko wrote:Well, it makes sense if you follow physical trends. As human society evolves, as our diet and lifestyles improve, so we have grown taller.
I don't see this happening.....maybe devolving and growing in weight, but height ??? Hmmm, GMF perhaps...
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ADB: I showed the Wolves revealing the key weakness at the heart of the World Eaters; showing Angron that his Legion was broken and worthless compared to the others; that he was the one primarch who couldn't trust his own warriors, and that they didn't care if he lived or died; showing that loyalty to brothers and sons is the heart of success for the Legiones Astartes, to the point even Lorgar makes a big deal out of saying the World Eaters and their primarch were massively outclassed by Russ, and Angron was too stupid to see the lesson Russ had sacrificed time, sweat, and blood, to teach. We're talking about a battle the Wolves won, by isolating the enemy general through pack tactics, and threatening to kill him, without a hope of defending himself. It was a balance, 50/50 - Angron overpowered Russ, and the Wolves were losing ground to the World Eaters; but Russ and his warriors had Angron by the balls, and barely broke a sweat. They won, no question. Lorgar even says: "The Wolves won, meathead."
Dorn won’t help you either. He’s too busy being the Emperor’s groundskeeper, hiding behind the palace walls. The Wolf is too busy cutting off heads as our father’s executioner, while the Lion holds on to his secrets, and has no special fondness for you. Who else will come? Not Ferrus, certainly. Nor Corax either. Even as we speak, I suspect he flees for Deliverance. Sanguinius?’ Curze laughed cruelly. ‘The angel is more cursed than I. The Khan? He does not wish to be found. So who is left? No one, Vulkan. None of them will come. You are simply not that important. You are alone.’ Konrad Curze to Vulkan
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2013/03/21 17:25:43
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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The Conquerer
Waiting for my shill money from Spiral Arm Studios
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Lynata wrote:Psienesis wrote:The "canon" Space Marine is like 7'6".
7' to 7'5", according to Jes in the GW Designer Podcast.
/nitpick
I see the pic has been cropped to fix his measurement error
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
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2013/03/21 20:30:48
Subject: Re:What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Lone Wolf Sentinel Pilot
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Perhaps he just came up with the height for Gaunt by putting miniatures of a Guardsman and a Space Marine side by side, and working from there? 
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Driven away from WH40K by rules bloat and the expense of keeping up, now interested in smaller model count games and anything with nifty mechanics. |
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2013/03/21 21:48:48
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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Funny this thread came up, I was arguing in another because I said marines were nine feet tall and people said only seven.
I cant think of an exact quote, but id swear they are way bigger. Plenty of normal humans hit seven feet, and GW seem to have a bone on for gigantism cos i swear the fethers seem to get bigger with every passing year!
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels. |
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2013/03/21 22:18:55
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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 mattyrm wrote:Funny this thread came up, I was arguing in another because I said marines were nine feet tall and people said only seven.
I cant think of an exact quote, but id swear they are way bigger. Plenty of normal humans hit seven feet, and GW seem to have a bone on for gigantism cos i swear the fethers seem to get bigger with every passing year!
It sort of depends on the source you read.
Abnett prefers his Marines huge, McNeill and ADB I can't recall really giving specific measurements, FFG prefers the GW-stated seven feet.
Personally I go with seven+ feet average myself.
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2013/03/21 22:31:18
Subject: Re:What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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1st Lieutenant
Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA
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I see it this way.
We're already making Marines ultra-powerful and god-like kings of war, so we might as well give them all the fixins' and make them epic scale
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2013/03/21 22:33:15
Subject: Re:What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Consigned to the Grim Darkness
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 washout77 wrote:I see it this way.
We're already making Marines ultra-powerful and god-like kings of war
Unless a non-Space Marine is the protagonist, in which case they're just somewhat more dangerous than normal enemies.
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The people in the past who convinced themselves to do unspeakable things were no less human than you or I. They made their decisions; the only thing that prevents history from repeating itself is making different ones.
-- Adam Serwer
My blog |
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2013/03/21 22:38:15
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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Harlon was a non astartes protagonist, and he was bad ass to the extreme.
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels. |
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2013/03/21 22:40:42
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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GODwyn Fischig was better.
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2013/03/21 22:41:23
Subject: Re:What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Regular Dakkanaut
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washout77 wrote:I see it this way.
We're already making Marines ultra-powerful and god-like kings of war, so we might as well give them all the fixins' and make them epic scale
6mm isn't very tall 
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The Tick: Everybody was a baby once, Arthur. Oh, sure, maybe not today, or even yesterday. But once. Babies, chum: tiny, dimpled, fleshy mirrors of our us-ness, that we parents hurl into the future, like leathery footballs of hope. And you've got to get a good spiral on that baby, or evil will make an interception. |
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2013/03/21 22:44:04
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Ancient Ultramarine Venerable Dreadnought
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No chance. Nayl was nails, I haven't enjoyed reading about a fictional bloke that much since Druss.
Quite a feat considering most of GW's books tended to suck.
Abnett is far and away thier best author in my book, I don't think any of the others come close.
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We are arming Syrian rebels who support ISIS, who is fighting Iran, who is fighting Iraq who we also support against ISIS, while fighting Kurds who we support while they are fighting Syrian rebels. |
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2013/03/21 22:45:41
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Nasty Nob on Warbike with Klaw
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mattyrm wrote:
No chance. Nayl was nails, I haven't enjoyed reading about a fictional bloke that much since Druss.
Quite a feat considering most of GW's books tended to suck.
Abnett is far and away thier best author in my book, I don't think any of the others come close.
Have I mentioned that I love the adjectives that Brits use? Calling a bloke nails is just fething hard. And 'bloke' sounds so much better than guy or dude.
Need to go reread that SAS book and absorb all the dialect so I can co- op it further.
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Read my story at:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/515293.page#5420356
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2013/03/21 22:50:10
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Sure Space Wolves Land Raider Pilot
skulking around the internet
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mattyrm wrote:
No chance. Nayl was nails, I haven't enjoyed reading about a fictional bloke that much since Druss.
Quite a feat considering most of GW's books tended to suck.
Abnett is far and away thier best author in my book, I don't think any of the others come close.
Couldn't agree more, and not just cos yer scary Matty 
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It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak and erase all doubt.
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2013/03/21 23:03:56
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Banelord Titan Princeps of Khorne
Noctis Labyrinthus
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mattyrm wrote:No chance. Nayl was nails, I haven't enjoyed reading about a fictional bloke that much since Druss.
Quite a feat considering most of GW's books tended to suck.
Abnett is far and away thier best author in my book, I don't think any of the others come close.
Nayl was a cowardly whoreson, too incompetent to do his duty of protecting the Distaff. By comparison, GODwyn Fischig was a man of honor and true grit, he saved Eisenhorn's life countless times (Notably, it was he who saved him from the Inquisition itself), but as a proper man he had the balls to oppose his superior when he crossed the line.
GODwyn is truly the most heroic individual within the entire setting.
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2013/03/21 23:37:41
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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 Void__Dragon wrote: mattyrm wrote:No chance. Nayl was nails, I haven't enjoyed reading about a fictional bloke that much since Druss.
Quite a feat considering most of GW's books tended to suck.
Abnett is far and away thier best author in my book, I don't think any of the others come close.
Nayl was a cowardly whoreson, too incompetent to do his duty of protecting the Distaff. By comparison, GODwyn Fischig was a man of honor and true grit, he saved Eisenhorn's life countless times (Notably, it was he who saved him from the Inquisition itself), but as a proper man he had the balls to oppose his superior when he crossed the line.
GODwyn is truly the most heroic individual within the entire setting.
Meh, all of them suck. Cherubael is the true hero of the books. In truth the Eisenhorn novels are naught but the chronicle of a poor, misunderstood and enslaved creature's heroic but ultimately futile fight for freedom from a series of cruel slavemasters. Besides that, Abnett is ok but he tends to get overrated at times.
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2013/03/21 23:53:07
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Gore-Soaked Lunatic Witchhunter
Seattle
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 Haunter! wrote: Psienesis wrote:Nah.. like I mentioned upthread, he describes the Space Marine that Eisenhorn is having tea with as having a pinky "the size and shape of an arbiter's truncheon" (direct quote). If you can picture the size of a police baton... if that is a dude's finger, that dude is *gigantic*.
Apparently someone has never heard of hyperbole.
It's not a scene written in hyperbole.
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It is best to be a pessimist. You are usually right and, when you're wrong, you're pleasantly surprised. |
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2013/03/22 00:10:52
Subject: What the feth is with gdub's obsession with giants?
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Longtime Dakkanaut
The ruins of the Palace of Thorns
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Common wisdom from the old Epic sources and in the WDs of that era puts Space Marines at well over the 7'6" that is being quoted here. Not sure where the 12-13' that someone quoted comes from, but 9ft-10ft is bandied about. Personally, I think 9ft might be reasonable, but any more is getting silly.
And matty, good call on Druss. I recently re-read all of the books with him in. I even re-read the Skilgannon books, even though they commit the sin of not having Druss as the main character.
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