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In Helsreach, I believe, they're described as at least 10 feet tall.

KingDeath wrote:
Meh, all of them suck. Cherubael is the true hero of the books. In truth the Eisenhorn novels are naught but the chronicle of a poor, misunderstood and enslaved creature's heroic but ultimately futile fight for freedom from a series of cruel slavemasters. Besides that, Abnett is ok but he tends to get overrated at times.

Cherubael is a punk bitch though.

He has been enslaved, so he is weak. The weak deserve to be slaves.


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 kronk wrote:
In Helsreach, I believe, they're described as at least 10 feet tall.

I've heard that too.

Can you cite/quote the book?

I believe some of the Chaos marines attain heights of 12'- 13' after warp mutations, but their original stock was 9' to 10' in height.

I remember one of the Eisenhorn books describing a Chaos Marine as a "god" who towered in height and who's armor, inscribed in daemonic symbols would drive a person insane just by looking at it. Strangely enough, none of them went insane.

 WarOne wrote:
I believe some of the Chaos marines attain heights of 12'- 13' after warp mutations,

Yes. Such a Chaos Marine is usually called Daemon Prince.

Or maybe an Obliterator.

 Breotan wrote:
I remember one of the Eisenhorn books describing a Chaos Marine as a "god" who towered in height and who's armor, inscribed in daemonic symbols would drive a person insane just by looking at it. Strangely enough, none of them went insane.

I remember most of the HH novels saying the space marines were god like in proportions too compared to humans. One of them even talks about how a marine from the HH catches a glimpse into the future of the legions and describes the marines themselves as shadows of the power and size the current marines are. So I take that to mean HH marines would easily be 12 to 15 feet in height right?

 Grey Templar wrote:

 Amaya wrote:
So Space Marines are basically giants that look like this?

Sort of, widen the proportions a little bit and you are spot on.

Think standing next to Shaquille O'Neal as opposed to Kareem Abdul Jabbar... both are tall but one is lithe and lanky the other is a physically imposing hulk.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I remember one of the Eisenhorn books describing a Chaos Marine as a "god" who towered in height and who's armor, inscribed in daemonic symbols would drive a person insane just by looking at it. Strangely enough, none of them went insane.

I remember most of the HH novels saying the space marines were god like in proportions too compared to humans. One of them even talks about how a marine from the HH catches a glimpse into the future of the legions and describes the marines themselves as shadows of the power and size the current marines are. So I take that to mean HH marines would easily be 12 to 15 feet in height right?

Lion El'Jonson without power armour dwarfed Legionairres wearing it. He was 10 feet tall.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:

 Breotan wrote:
I remember one of the Eisenhorn books describing a Chaos Marine as a "god" who towered in height and who's armor, inscribed in daemonic symbols would drive a person insane just by looking at it. Strangely enough, none of them went insane.

I remember most of the HH novels saying the space marines were god like in proportions too compared to humans. One of them even talks about how a marine from the HH catches a glimpse into the future of the legions and describes the marines themselves as shadows of the power and size the current marines are. So I take that to mean HH marines would easily be 12 to 15 feet in height right?

Lion El'Jonson without power armour dwarfed Legionairres wearing it. He was 10 feet tall.

Iirc in the 2nd DA HH novel the lion hurdles over a line of enemy rhinos to wade into half a company of Sons of Horus legionaries. He has to be 20ft tall at minimum to accomplish that.

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
Iirc in the 2nd DA HH novel the lion hurdles over a line of enemy rhinos to wade into half a company of Sons of Horus legionaries. He has to be 20ft tall at minimum to accomplish that.

Yeah that didn't actually happen. I read Fallen Angel.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 OverwatchCNC wrote:
Iirc in the 2nd DA HH novel the lion hurdles over a line of enemy rhinos to wade into half a company of Sons of Horus legionaries. He has to be 20ft tall at minimum to accomplish that.

Yeah that didn't actually happen. I read Fallen Angel.

It's right before they hook the DA in the dreadnought up to the giant tank so they can shred the enemy and launch the "nuke" at the enemy held space port. I read it too although I regret it

No it isn't.

The Lion does not step over Rhinos.

 Void__Dragon wrote:
No it isn't.

The Lion does not step over Rhinos.

I don't see why even a 10 foot über human who is a prime example of a human being can't jump over a rhino. If Fulgrim can chop the front end off a wave serpent with his Herculean strength then why can't a Primarch jump over a rhino?

There is a world of difference between stepping the feth over one and simply hopping above it, or running over the top.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

KingDeath wrote:
Meh, all of them suck. Cherubael is the true hero of the books. In truth the Eisenhorn novels are naught but the chronicle of a poor, misunderstood and enslaved creature's heroic but ultimately futile fight for freedom from a series of cruel slavemasters. Besides that, Abnett is ok but he tends to get overrated at times.

Cherubael is a punk bitch though.

He has been enslaved, so he is weak. The weak deserve to be slaves.

Usually I admire people that see things in black and white, and I certainly enjoy contrarians, but you need to explain more clearly when you say something is is so easy to demonstrate to be ridiculous surely?

I mean, I let the Harlon Nayl is a coward thing go, because cowardice can be very objective. I myself prize loyayty very highly, so I disagree that being hard as nails and constantly doing his duty making him a coward for not doing some things a little different, but I could at least understand your opinion.

The above is entirely ridiculous though!

I give you exhibit A - Maximus from Gladiator.

Fate, can make slaves of us all.

If you were a wounded soldier, wandering through the countryside on your way home from your twentieth campaign after a lifetime of brave service, and you bumped into a gang of cudgel wielding slavers, then you are going to wind up a slave. It doesn't matter if you are the toughest man in the world.

Secondly, who deems that anyone "deserves" it?

Chidlren are weak. simply not being strong does not then mean that they entirely deserve their fate.

Or are you some sort of real life Khorne worshipper?

On the origonal topic, I do agree with the size of sm's being 7 to 8 feet. Terminators are normally a bit taller since they've had the extra 200 years or so in service to become vets and during that time they have continued to grow, (slowly of course). I think the best link I've ever come too on the subject is this http://www.philipsibbering.com/wh40k/10-01-marine-morphology.shtml
It's got some great reading.

I also think that GW isn't wrong about making sms taller than normal people. Their size does complement them in my opinion, and while from a realistic standpoint, a sm isn't really what you would want as a fighter, it certainly is cinematic!

 mattyrm wrote:
Usually I admire people that see things in black and white, and I certainly enjoy contrarians, but you need to explain more clearly when you say something is is so easy to demonstrate to be ridiculous surely?

I mean, I let the Harlon Nayl is a coward thing go, because cowardice can be very objective. I myself prize loyayty very highly, so I disagree that being hard as nails and constantly doing his duty making him a coward for not doing some things a little different, but I could at least understand your opinion.

The above is entirely ridiculous though!

I give you exhibit A - Maximus from Gladiator.

Fate, can make slaves of us all.

If you were a wounded soldier, wandering through the countryside on your way home from your twentieth campaign after a lifetime of brave service, and you bumped into a gang of cudgel wielding slavers, then you are going to wind up a slave. It doesn't matter if you are the toughest man in the world.

Secondly, who deems that anyone "deserves" it?

Chidlren are weak. simply not being strong does not then mean that they entirely deserve their fate.

Or are you some sort of real life Khorne worshipper?

Pity the weak, for they alone can not stand against the horrors of the galaxy.
Despise the weak, for it is the strong man's burden to make them of use.

 Void__Dragon wrote:

 mattyrm wrote:
Usually I admire people that see things in black and white, and I certainly enjoy contrarians, but you need to explain more clearly when you say something is is so easy to demonstrate to be ridiculous surely?

I mean, I let the Harlon Nayl is a coward thing go, because cowardice can be very objective. I myself prize loyayty very highly, so I disagree that being hard as nails and constantly doing his duty making him a coward for not doing some things a little different, but I could at least understand your opinion.

The above is entirely ridiculous though!

I give you exhibit A - Maximus from Gladiator.

Fate, can make slaves of us all.

If you were a wounded soldier, wandering through the countryside on your way home from your twentieth campaign after a lifetime of brave service, and you bumped into a gang of cudgel wielding slavers, then you are going to wind up a slave. It doesn't matter if you are the toughest man in the world.

Secondly, who deems that anyone "deserves" it?

Chidlren are weak. simply not being strong does not then mean that they entirely deserve their fate.

Or are you some sort of real life Khorne worshipper?

Pity the weak, for they alone can not stand against the horrors of the galaxy.
Despise the weak, for it is the strong man's burden to make them of use.

Listen to the hateful voice of imperial oppression my brethren! Listen and remember that there is an alternative to the undead slavemaster on Terra!
Join the free armies of chaos, break the shackles of superstition and dogma which bind you the eternal yoke of slavery!
For freedom! For equality! For tentacles!

PS. the first 100.000 new worshippers get a nice, slimy tentacle for free ( to better choke your former slavemasters ) \o/

It's more that Dan Abnett is obsessed with ginormous characters (Freudian?). I don't look to him for accuracy when it comes to Space Marines in particular, since his stuff on them reads like fanwank. None of them are really 9-10 feet tall.

 Omegus wrote:
It's more that Dan Abnett is obsessed with ginormous characters (Freudian?). I don't look to him for accuracy when it comes to Space Marines in particular, since his stuff on them reads like fanwank. None of them are really 9-10 feet tall.

I dunno, honestly, Dan Abnett tends to write Space Marines dying like bitches, relative to some of the other writers, IMO.

Not just in Gaunt's Ghost either, remember Horus Rising? When a single bolter round punched through the chest plate of a Marine and killed him? Yeah.

They're big, but not that OTT most of the time IMO.

In fact, Eisenhorn himself kills a couple... though neither of them exactly man to man... but Gregor is a resourceful son of a gun (and, truthfully, is getting his butt kicked by the CSM he eventually kills).

 Void__Dragon wrote:
There is a world of difference between stepping the feth over one and simply hopping above it, or running over the top.

I didn't say step. I used the word hurdle, don't put words in my post. A better choice of words perhaps would have been vault.

That makes him a good jumper, not twelve feet tall.

On the origonal topic, I do agree with the size of sm's being 7 to 8 feet. Terminators are normally a bit taller since they've had the extra 200 years or so in service to become vets and during that time they have continued to grow, (slowly of course).

What? Uhm... no. Humans aren't Orks. We don't keep growing throughout our lives, no matter how many hormones you pump into us. Human males stop growing somewhere around their 20th year of age, females at 18 or so (on average).

Terminators are bigger because TDA is bigger.

I always reason it like this:

Let's say the average human falls between five-nine and six-two. Let's say that an Astartes (un-armoured) - being a bigger, bulked up, enhanced version of an average human - is a full foot taller, putting their average at six-nine/seven-two. Now let's put them in full power armour - that's easily another half foot right off the bat, once you account for jumpsuit, armoured boots/greaves and helmet. Now we're at seven-three/seven-eight. Finally, let's factor in them being viewed (usually) through the eyes of non-Astartes (like Guardsmen), and them and their actions being lauded and further glorified by the IoM, one Guard telling another about this one time when his mate saw... etc etc - BOOM! Easily now a Space Marine can become thought of as a nine or ten foot iron giant killing hundreds of foes with just the fires in his eyes! And even so, considering how a very tall human can push eight-five plus (rare, but happens), then there's bound to be some Astartes that are reaching that nine plus mark... but of course, those marines will become twelve plus around the campfire!

 Psienesis wrote:
That makes him a good jumper, not twelve feet tall.

On the origonal topic, I do agree with the size of sm's being 7 to 8 feet. Terminators are normally a bit taller since they've had the extra 200 years or so in service to become vets and during that time they have continued to grow, (slowly of course).

What? Uhm... no. Humans aren't Orks. We don't keep growing throughout our lives, no matter how many hormones you pump into us. Human males stop growing somewhere around their 20th year of age, females at 18 or so (on average).

Terminators are bigger because TDA is bigger.

Space marines do, keep growing however. the link I posted does have a article on the subject if you would like to read it.

 Ledabot wrote:

Space marines do, keep growing however. the link I posted does have a article on the subject if you would like to read it.

That just a fan article... There's nothing like that in actual GW fluff.

 Ledabot wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
That makes him a good jumper, not twelve feet tall.

On the origonal topic, I do agree with the size of sm's being 7 to 8 feet. Terminators are normally a bit taller since they've had the extra 200 years or so in service to become vets and during that time they have continued to grow, (slowly of course).

What? Uhm... no. Humans aren't Orks. We don't keep growing throughout our lives, no matter how many hormones you pump into us. Human males stop growing somewhere around their 20th year of age, females at 18 or so (on average).

Terminators are bigger because TDA is bigger.

Space marines do, keep growing however. the link I posted does have a article on the subject if you would like to read it.

Did you miss this part at the top of the page on your linked article?

What follows is unofficial fan fiction...

Well regardless It does reference certain marines that are still growing.

Edit: don't get so mad bro. Marines are the only thing that continue to grow. font does too.

 Psienesis wrote:
In fact, Eisenhorn himself kills a couple... though neither of them exactly man to man... but Gregor is a resourceful son of a gun (and, truthfully, is getting his butt kicked by the CSM he eventually kills).

Well, Eisenhorn by the end of his trilogy should punk the average Space Marine, IMO, and apparently he does just that in Pariah.