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J0kerrMT wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:

 kronk wrote:

J0kerrMT wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
I dont have the time to paint my army fully, work and life and.all that.

Why don't you just use printed out cut outs then? They would be in color..follow the WYSIWYG rule...and you could still play the game.

Why does it bother you so much? Your fun is not his fun, and vice-verse.

There's also a huge leap from playing unpainted to using card board cut outs. And unpainted has nothing to do with WYSIWYG.

I just assumed he felt like Saying something in an "edgy" way. Fact of the matter is anyone who cares enough to make absolutes like that should really try and think about how rediculous they are and focus on makig themselves a tolerant individual. No one is making you play these "unpainted armies. I personally prefer painted armies but who cares really? Hanging out and having fun for a couple of hours with friends trumps "cooler" looking armies every time.

Same question to you then. Would you play a printed cut out army?


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 labmouse42 wrote:
I perfer playing painted armies, but I am just happy to get a good game.

 Formosa wrote:
I dont have the time to paint my army fully, work and life and.all that.

Painting does not take that much time or money. A simple 3 color paint scheme can be done extremely quickly. Follow these steps.
1) Get a colored primer. Red if your blood angels, etc...
2) Get a ink. Ink all your primered models. A black ink is pretty good for most marines.
3) Touch up the guns and/or shoulderpads with a silver, gold.
Painting an army like that won't take you any more time than it took to assemble your models. You could do it after the kids go to sleep.

You are correct sir.

Yes I would, why wouldn't you?

Chancetragedy wrote:

J0kerrMT wrote:

Chancetragedy wrote:

 kronk wrote:

J0kerrMT wrote:

 Formosa wrote:
I dont have the time to paint my army fully, work and life and.all that.

Why don't you just use printed out cut outs then? They would be in color..follow the WYSIWYG rule...and you could still play the game.

Why does it bother you so much? Your fun is not his fun, and vice-verse.

There's also a huge leap from playing unpainted to using card board cut outs. And unpainted has nothing to do with WYSIWYG.

I just assumed he felt like Saying something in an "edgy" way. Fact of the matter is anyone who cares enough to make absolutes like that should really try and think about how rediculous they are and focus on makig themselves a tolerant individual. No one is making you play these "unpainted armies. I personally prefer painted armies but who cares really? Hanging out and having fun for a couple of hours with friends trumps "cooler" looking armies every time.

Same question to you then. Would you play a printed cut out army?


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 labmouse42 wrote:
I perfer playing painted armies, but I am just happy to get a good game.

 Formosa wrote:
I dont have the time to paint my army fully, work and life and.all that.

Painting does not take that much time or money. A simple 3 color paint scheme can be done extremely quickly. Follow these steps.
1) Get a colored primer. Red if your blood angels, etc...
2) Get a ink. Ink all your primered models. A black ink is pretty good for most marines.
3) Touch up the guns and/or shoulderpads with a silver, gold.
Painting an army like that won't take you any more time than it took to assemble your models. You could do it after the kids go to sleep.

You are correct sir.

Yes I would, why wouldn't you?

Nope. I feel allowing that behavior ruins the hobby. As it does not bring new players into the game, because it looks bad...or it does bring new players into the game that will do the same and not pay for anything. So your behavior of allowing this kind of action will actually end the hobby. Thank you for being "honest."

Remember, as the above post shows, its takes almost 30 minutes to paint 10 to 20 models. Maybe more.

And it takes 5 minutes to print out full color cut outs and mount them into bases? Which is quicker and more convenient?

Do you make all your friends wear the same clothes as you? Because it sounds like you want everything to be a clone of how you experience life and fun in general.

Personally i would prefer it if everyones army was fully painted - it adds a lot to the game. I dont like using models/units that aren't fully painted.

But you have to be realistic.

Some people just dont have the time to field a fully painted army - i dont anymore - havn't picked up a brush in months.
There is a guy i regularly play against that has basically admitted to having a "stealth armour" IG army - most of his tanks are just primed black. Mostly because i just doesn't have the time to do any painting between jobs and kids.

But this becomes more acceptabel when you see the amoutn of effort he puts into each of his guardsmen - each one has separate rank markings, is fully and uniquely based etc etc.

I'm a college student so I don't exactly have the money to buy the paints. I do, however, fully plan to paint my miniatures. I would be pretty bummed if someone denied me a game because my army wasn't painted.

I'd be steamed if someone used paper cut outs. I spent time and money collecting my army, why do you get to stamp them out in 5 minutes?

I do not play with unpainted miniatures. I do not like to play against opponents who use unpainted miniatures.

I have an idea to all those who "don't want to block the fun of others," lets play with all proxy armies...what would be the problem?

As for not having time to paint..I think you are confusing painting good with painting. To have a decent looking army..spray paint primary color...ink black...use one or two bold colors such as gold to paint over some areas such as shoulder trim..BAM! done. Not much time at all...and if can't afford 3 paints, 1 ink, and a can of spray paint..well, you might want to buy food instead of models.

Yep.

It really ticks me off when someone puts down an army and it's all bare metal or plastic, barely cleaned of mould lines and so on.

Especially when that person is me. Doesn't stop me playing though.

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yep.

It really ticks me off when someone puts down an army and it's all bare metal or plastic, barely cleaned of mould lines and so on.

Especially when that person is me. Doesn't stop me playing though.

But you are attempting to paint your models?

if its a new unit or two they are just excited to try out before they get the time to paint them, that's fine. If they are new and just rushing to get stuff done and have their stuff mostly assembled, and still working on putting it together and want to try a game sure.

If for the past 3 months, you have been coming in with a not even primed entire army, then I might get a little fed up with that. I might not entirely deny you games, but I will try and get games with people at least attempting to paint their armies first.

There are always exceptions. I do prefer that my opponent has a (mostly) painted army. But people are adding stuff to their army all the time, so a primed or WIP model/unit here and there aren't uncommon or an issue.

No, it doesn't bother me at all. Different people have all kinds of time constraints, and it doesn't ruin my enjoyment of the game.

Do I prefer to play against painted armies? Of course.
Will I refuse to play against an unpainted army? No, never.

 pwntallica wrote:
if its a new unit or two they are just excited to try out before they get the time to paint them, that's fine. If they are new and just rushing to get stuff done and have their stuff mostly assembled, and still working on putting it together and want to try a game sure.

If for the past 3 months, you have been coming in with a not even primed entire army, then I might get a little fed up with that. I might not entirely deny you games, but I will try and get games with people at least attempting to paint their armies first.

There are always exceptions. I do prefer that my opponent has a (mostly) painted army. But people are adding stuff to their army all the time, so a primed or WIP model/unit here and there aren't uncommon or an issue.

And exalted!

J0kerrMT wrote:

 Furyou Miko wrote:
Yep.

It really ticks me off when someone puts down an army and it's all bare metal or plastic, barely cleaned of mould lines and so on.

Especially when that person is me. Doesn't stop me playing though.

But you are attempting to paint your models?

My armies get painted rather quickly... in geological terms.

I for one don't care one way or the other. I hardly ever get time to paint but when I do (monthly or so) I bust out about 7-8 straight hours. My main issue is the fact my army was started using Hawk Turquoise and GW has since discontinued the color (or I just cant ever find it). So im faced with a conundrum: I have about 2/3 of my army painted, but I don't have many of my tactical marines painted (started big and moved down, never painted before 40k so wanted to practice). As far as proxies go I'll be okay with a few units, but when someone breaks out a nid army (100% mind you) and calls them guardsmen I have an issue. As far as the cutouts go, that is just not anything I've ever heard of, and seems like a horrible idea.

J0kerrMT wrote:
I have an idea to all those who "don't want to block the fun of others," lets play with all proxy armies...what would be the problem?

Hyperbole and sarcasm... Well played, you win.

OT I work long and asocial hours and generally I'm just glad when my free time coincides with my mates. I don't get so many opportunities to play games that I can turn them down just because Bob didn't find time to paint anything this week. My army is around 60% painted, and I generally choose to spend my time playing it rather than painting it. This does not mean that I don't intend to complete the painting. This does not mean that the number of finished models in my army is not increasing (it is, but slowly). This does not mean that I don't field fully painted armies.

I'll happily play unpainted armies of miniatures as I accept that people have differing viewpoints and priorities on the subject.

J0kerrMT wrote:
I have an idea to all those who "don't want to block the fun of others," lets play with all proxy armies...what would be the problem?

As for not having time to paint..I think you are confusing painting good with painting. To have a decent looking army..spray paint primary color...ink black...use one or two bold colors such as gold to paint over some areas such as shoulder trim..BAM! done. Not much time at all...and if can't afford 3 paints, 1 ink, and a can of spray paint..well, you might want to buy food instead of models.

I can't believe no one has pointed out the obvious flaw in your cardboard cutouts argument. I wouldn't play with someone who did this either, but not because the cutouts detract from the game visually. You would run into all sorts of rules problems with the models not being correct for line of sight, or the models not being on bases. The game would play differently.

If he put all of his cutouts on the correct bases, and made sure they were the right height ect, sure I'd play against that. He'd need to have the weapons printed on the models too, and each model should be easily recognizable so that there isn't any ambiguity. Its already really annoying when people do this with proxied models, if there is no physical marking that sets the models apart, bad players will be tempted to lie and say important models are in different squads or places, and you will have no way to call them out on it.

But assuming their proxies are as meticulously accurate with regards to the rules as real models, I'd have no problem. In practice I think this isn't realistically possible, so your argument is pointless.

For a lot of people, the game is more important than the hobby. And not everybody is a great painter.

A lot of my armies remain unpainted for long periods of time simply because I have a life and other hobbies outside 40K.


Do your thing, and enjoy your army. Stop worrying about how everyone else plays.

It bugs me but in my area most players have 2 or 3 small armies each and none of them are painted. It's like the flavor of the week sometimes. Players trade entire armies w/ their buddies play it for 2-3 weeks get bored and move on. Mostly the highschooler younger type players. That crap bugs me. Stick to an army, learn it's ins and outs and try to win. I'm partial w/ the painting thing, mine is fully painted and being married and having children it is hard to find a couple hours a week to hobby. And it you have multiple hobbies it's even worse. It's a good feeling when you have guys come over to you as you set up admiring your army and saying good things. However, I really lose my mind when I see proxies. Yeah this black 60mm+ base is a stromraven kind of crap.

I can usually get over an army that is unpainted, as long as its fully built and shows the proper gear being used!
What I hate are proxys.... just can stand em!

I hate unpainted armies with a passion. They show no love for the pretty miniatures.

I've played with unpainted before.

Really the only reason is because I'm pretty ashamed of my painting ability, so I'm not exactly eager to show off the horrid mess I've made.

Now I'm committed to playing my army while painted, so the net result is I haven't played in about six months.

My units are always fully painted before I use them in a game. Seeing black or plastic ruins the game for me, but I'll never say no to someone for that reason.

Probably because I'm far too polite, rather than because I don't have an objection to it.

I prefer playing against and with painted models by far. It just feels so much better, more atmosphere, easier to use your imagination.

I had 4000 points of space marines but rarely had games with my unpainted portion Shame I had to sell those babies

 Griddlelol wrote:
My units are always fully painted before I use them in a game. Seeing black or plastic ruins the game for me, but I'll never say no to someone for that reason.

Probably because I'm far too polite, rather than because I don't have an objection to it.

I'm now much more like this. I will try to avoid putting anything on the table that is not painted.

This is just for my own personal preference.

I mean I prefer armies painted to a three-color standard, but as long as the person's stuff is close to WYSIWYG and it's clear they're making an attempt at painting, however slow, I'm happy. I mean I'm a cadet at the Air Force Academy, I totally get that not everyone has time to be a master painter. I just can't get as into it when I play an incomplete/not-even-based army. I'll generally do it, but only if they seem like a good type and there's no one else to play.

I don't really care either which way. But then I have such a busy schedule I barely have time to paint my models so I can sympathize...

it really depends,

Tournies around here have the 3color minimum rule,

friendly PUGS, why not? as long as its WYSIWYG

id rather play an unpainted army then not play,

that being said,

I much prefer to play against a painted army, and would turn down an unpainted opponent over a painted one every single time.

Why care about so much and be worked up about it?

Unless the guy/gal is really rude about why he doesn't paint or have to proxy his/her stuff then whatever.

I think having a friendly environment is the best, of course you don't have to agree but it's just my 2 cents.

I don't even mind WYSIWYG, I try to keep mine like that as much as possible but sometime it's just kinda hard...

I'd even let people proxy Blood Angels as Harlies, who cares as long as it's consistent it's fun I think everything else doesn't matter~

The only time it ever bugs me is we have a local guy who complainds he doesn't have time to paint, but constantly buys new armies, and then sells them a few weeks later. He's a decent painter when he actually does it, and he says he enjoys it, but he's constantly distracting himself

He's fun to play with or against, but the lack of focus or completion does bug me a little. I don't demand fully painted armies, but I feel that should be an end goal. This is an expensive hobby, so why not enjoy the hobby side of it?