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Humanity before the age of strife had their Men of Iron.

The Tau have their gun drones, Necrons their scarabs.

Though I just never heard fluff mentioning the Eldar's AI, thing just psychically happens, is there some background on how Eldar autonomously run their craftworlds? If they do have them, why don't we see them use more AI armies instead of wraithlords which sacrifice their kin's souls to power?

I've always thought the souls of the dead within the infinity circuit maintain the Craftworld.

The Eldar don't seem to use AI for much of anything. Almost all of their technology is psychically-driven.

They don't need it. Never did. Humans and Tau have AI to replicate higher brain function, but they can't recreate it because its too complex. Necrons have scarabs as little tools. Little radio controlled robots with no thought- not AI.

Eldar on the other hand either psychically charge their machines, or use spirit stones. They are not recreating or even replicating their thoughts, but actually using pure thought, which is what AI is suppossed to take over from.

DE use living creatures as their big troops (grotesques for example). They're vehicles, while advanced in terms of Anti-grav is highly advanced, the basic system isn't really any different to a speedboat (venoms) or yatch (raiders/ravagers) or aircraft.

They did. During the days of the Eldar Empire, they had AI do all their work for them. From labor to construction to warfare. The fact that the Eldar had nothing to do is a reaosn they became so depraved and decedent, as their advanced minds need stimulation.

This is actually the reason Eldar don't use AI anymore (though the Infinity Circuit is a bit of a mystical computer, albeit not an artificial one but rather from the souls of the fallen). Craftworld Eldar are seeking stability of the mind and to temper their sadistic tendencies to avoid repeating the mistakes of their ancestors. This is why they have the Path System, and will not let themselves be idle.

It's why if you notice, Dark Eldar have robotics, albeit bio-robotics (Talos/Cronos Engines and so on), because they are not bound by the same inhibitions. For the most part though, Dark Eldar want to get their own hands dirty so they can feed on souls.

They used to have some sort of machines to do all their work for them. Whether they were intelligent enough to be AI is unsure of. I would say they were just simple robots. They don't have them now because their laziness and lack of purpose after building machines caused the fall. And I think they learned their lesson the first time...

 Harriticus wrote:
They did. During the days of the Eldar Empire, they had AI do all their work for them. From labor to construction to warfare. The fact that the Eldar had nothing to do is a reaosn they became so depraved and decedent, as their advanced minds need stimulation.

This is actually the reason Eldar don't use AI anymore (though the Infinity Circuit is a bit of a mystical computer, albeit not an artificial one but rather from the souls of the fallen). Craftworld Eldar are seeking stability of the mind and to temper their sadistic tendencies to avoid repeating the mistakes of their ancestors. This is why they have the Path System, and will not let themselves be idle.

It's why if you notice, Dark Eldar have robotics, albeit bio-robotics (Talos/Cronos Engines and so on), because they are not bound by the same inhibitions. For the most part though, Dark Eldar want to get their own hands dirty so they can feed on souls.

OHH, I see, that totally makes sense, similar bad experiences just like humans pre-IoM. Laziness breeds heresy ... or Slannesh in this case lol

Nope they use infinity curcuits.

 Harriticus wrote:
They did. During the days of the Eldar Empire, they had AI do all their work for them. From labor to construction to warfare. The fact that the Eldar had nothing to do is a reaosn they became so depraved and decedent, as their advanced minds need stimulation.

This is actually the reason Eldar don't use AI anymore (though the Infinity Circuit is a bit of a mystical computer, albeit not an artificial one but rather from the souls of the fallen). Craftworld Eldar are seeking stability of the mind and to temper their sadistic tendencies to avoid repeating the mistakes of their ancestors. This is why they have the Path System, and will not let themselves be idle.

It's why if you notice, Dark Eldar have robotics, albeit bio-robotics (Talos/Cronos Engines and so on), because they are not bound by the same inhibitions. For the most part though, Dark Eldar want to get their own hands dirty so they can feed on souls.

pretty much spot on.
CWE dont use robots because using robots led to the fall.
DE dont use robots because where is the fun in that?

 Harriticus wrote:
They did. During the days of the Eldar Empire, they had AI do all their work for them. From labor to construction to warfare. The fact that the Eldar had nothing to do is a reaosn they became so depraved and decedent, as their advanced minds need stimulation.

This is actually the reason Eldar don't use AI anymore (though the Infinity Circuit is a bit of a mystical computer, albeit not an artificial one but rather from the souls of the fallen). Craftworld Eldar are seeking stability of the mind and to temper their sadistic tendencies to avoid repeating the mistakes of their ancestors. This is why they have the Path System, and will not let themselves be idle.

It's why if you notice, Dark Eldar have robotics, albeit bio-robotics (Talos/Cronos Engines and so on), because they are not bound by the same inhibitions. For the most part though, Dark Eldar want to get their own hands dirty so they can feed on souls.

Exalted and QFT.

Personally, I doubt it. If you may recall, their so-called Ancient Enemy the Necrons are a race of intelligent machines; so why would the Eldar depend on intelligent machines when they themselves fought against similar beings in the past?

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Personally, I doubt it. If you may recall, their so-called Ancient Enemy the Necrons are a race of intelligent machines; so why would the Eldar depend on intelligent machines when they themselves fought against similar beings in the past?

Because the Necrons went into slumber and all but Alaitoc forgot who the Necrons even were. Most of the Eldar totally forgot about the Necrons until they rose from their slumber again. So they've had about 65 million years to forget who they are or that they even existed in the first place.

The Dark Eldar codex does talk about machines of some sort doing all of their work for them pre fall but I am not entirely sure they are AI type machines or just machines that were set on autopilot.

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Personally, I doubt it. If you may recall, their so-called Ancient Enemy the Necrons are a race of intelligent machines; so why would the Eldar depend on intelligent machines when they themselves fought against similar beings in the past?

Because the Necrons went into slumber and all but Alaitoc forgot who the Necrons even were. Most of the Eldar totally forgot about the Necrons until they rose from their slumber again. So they've had about 65 million years to forget who they are or that they even existed in the first place.

That's stupid of them, forgetting about such a dangerous force. Okay, so maybe not in the case of the 5th Edition Necrons, since they're not really that much of a threat compared to the 3rd Edition Necrons.

 Admiral Valerian wrote:

Roadkill Zombie wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:
Personally, I doubt it. If you may recall, their so-called Ancient Enemy the Necrons are a race of intelligent machines; so why would the Eldar depend on intelligent machines when they themselves fought against similar beings in the past?

Because the Necrons went into slumber and all but Alaitoc forgot who the Necrons even were. Most of the Eldar totally forgot about the Necrons until they rose from their slumber again. So they've had about 65 million years to forget who they are or that they even existed in the first place.

That's stupid of them, forgetting about such a dangerous force. Okay, so maybe not in the case of the 5th Edition Necrons, since they're not really that much of a threat compared to the 3rd Edition Necrons.

The Necrons went into hibernation millions of years before the "present" of 40k. Even for the long-lived Eldar, that is a few thousand generations. I would say it is more surprising that any of them (Alaitoc) actually remembered the Necrons.

 wubMarine wrote:
Humanity before the age of strife had their Men of Iron.

The Tau have their gun drones, Necrons their scarabs.

Though I just never heard fluff mentioning the Eldar's AI, thing just psychically happens, is there some background on how Eldar autonomously run their craftworlds? If they do have them, why don't we see them use more AI armies instead of wraithlords which sacrifice their kin's souls to power?

What your looking for is contained in 2nd edtion codex eldar (in the history section of the eldar race). as a matter of fact i possess such a book. but at some time they did. although highly advanced. (makes modern man look like cavemen)

Pretty vague answer i know will dig out the codex tommorow and give it a squiz for you.

 Orkimedes1000 wrote:

What your looking for is contained in 2nd edtion codex eldar (in the history section of the eldar race). as a matter of fact i possess such a book. but at some time they did. although highly advanced. (makes modern man look like cavemen)

You do realize that the Eldar were written into existence by Humans, right? So who is more advanced, I wonder

 Admiral Valerian wrote:


You do realize that the Eldar were written into existence by Humans, right? So who is more advanced, I wonder

Umm... what? The Eldar existed millions of years before the AoS, decaying technologically and losing interest in the universe to the point they didnt turn the human race into one of it's slave races in its infantcy. Please explain what you meant.

 Farseer14 wrote:

 Admiral Valerian wrote:


You do realize that the Eldar were written into existence by Humans, right? So who is more advanced, I wonder

Umm... what? The Eldar existed millions of years before the AoS, decaying technologically and losing interest in the universe to the point they didnt turn the human race into one of it's slave races in its infantcy. Please explain what you meant.

He means we are humans and GW are humans who wrote the eldar into existence. Foolish Mon'Keigh and his delusions that this is not all a plot of an eldar farseer to reduce a future threat from us.

 Deadshot wrote:
They don't need it. Never did. Humans and Tau have AI to replicate higher brain function, but they can't recreate it because its too complex.

Humans during the DAoT built the Iron Men which became sentient and thus rebelled against Humanity.

But, they didn't design it that way, obviously. The AI did that itself. As a Computer it is capable of processing much more information and signals at one time than a brain, and if it needs more it can just reroute other systems. Meaning that whereas a human brain was incapable of creating sentience, te computer was capable of simply redirecting traffic and concetrating hard. It doesn't et frustrated or bored.

Basicall theory but it is the basis of more or less every AI horro story.

They most likely did, although it was likely very different from any AI humans ever had.

They could even have had specilized psychic machines that required psychic input from a controller, but the burden was so small that it would be as nothing to its controller. So it would be AI for all intents and purposes, but not actually a true independent artificial mind.

All we know is that their society was one in which the Eldar didn't have to do any work and were free to pursue their desires to the fullest.

 Deadshot wrote:
But, they didn't design it that way, obviously. The AI did that itself. As a Computer it is capable of processing much more information and signals at one time than a brain, and if it needs more it can just reroute other systems. Meaning that whereas a human brain was incapable of creating sentience, te computer was capable of simply redirecting traffic and concetrating hard. It doesn't et frustrated or bored.

Basicall theory but it is the basis of more or less every AI horro story.

Maybe, maybe not. Anyway, check out this thread for Slaughtersong: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/514361.page

The human brain is also already processing tons of information just by running in idle. Its monitoring all the bodily functions down to the cellular level, plus whatever voluntary actions are going on.

A computer's vital processes are, by comparison, very very simple. So a computer with equal processing power to the Human Brain would have more free space to do stuff, its not running all those background applications that the human brain is doing.