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How do you best recommend dealing with TEQs? I field DEs against a GK/DA army regularly, and I get regularly curb-stomped because I cannot seem to bring down his Terminators. Scouts, psykers, henchmen... all no problem. But his Paladins and Deathwing just waltz down the board and ignore everything I can throw at them.

Suggestions? Obviously, "hit them with things that are AP 2" but I'm hoping for a little more in the way of specifics.

umm, DE can spam blasters and dark lances. lots of Str8 and Ap2 will make short work of them from afar.

Against regular teq, splinter cannons are great. Sure they get the 2+ save, but you put enough shots into them and the will all fall.

Against non init6 teq, incubi can chew through in close combat.


The best plan is probably blaster spam.
2 units of 4 trueborn with 4 blasters venom
2 units of 5 warriors with 1 blaster venom
3 Ravagers with 3 dark lances.

Not expensive ~900 points. 10 blaster shots and 9 dark lance shots. 10.5 wounds on average. with a 5++ you will kill 7 terminators a turn. The venoms will do an additional 3 wounds. That is 450+ points of GK teq. With upgrades you can easily kill off 600 points in 1 turn spamming this kind of firepower.

3 Ravagers with 3 Disintegrators each, even shooting at TEQ they make up their points in 2 turns, shooting at TH/SS they still make up their points in 3 turns. Only reason to take Dark Lance is to ignore FnP if they have it

Barrywise wrote:
3 Ravagers with 3 Disitegrators each, even shooting at TEQ they make up their points in 2 turns, shooting at TH/SS they still make up their points in 3 turns. Only reason to take Dark Lance is to ignore FnP if they have it

And to ID Paladins.

Incubi will eat them and that crazy bitch who ignores all armor and gets an insane amount of attacks stick them in a venom or raider assault out of it and let the pwnage begin

kelewan wrote:
Incubi will eat them and that crazy bitch who ignores all armor and gets an insane amount of attacks stick them in a venom or raider assault out of it and let the pwnage begin

Not the best idea to be honest. You're packing a S3 T3 character in a transport that's as flimsy as Saddam's defence case, against units which can tear it up and them ruin you via Overwatch. He can just challenge you so all your attacks are wasted on a 2++ Stave wielding sergeant. Also considering that your Incubi are only Ap3 in assault, and can be matched in Initiative by Halberds which will be wounding you on 2's with Hammerhand.

 Valkyrie wrote:

kelewan wrote:
Incubi will eat them and that crazy bitch who ignores all armor and gets an insane amount of attacks stick them in a venom or raider assault out of it and let the pwnage begin

Not the best idea to be honest. You're packing a S3 T3 character in a transport that's as flimsy as Saddam's defence case, against units which can tear it up and them ruin you via Overwatch. He can just challenge you so all your attacks are wasted on a 2++ Stave wielding sergeant. Also considering that your Incubi are only Ap3 in assault, and can be matched in Initiative by Halberds which will be wounding you on 2's with Hammerhand.

Real quick correction here the Incubi are AP2 with their Klaives so they do cut through Termies like you'd want. It's worth considering taking the Incubi with a Klaivex and Onslaught, the extra attacks on a 6 mean that you can suffer casualties and still gut enemy units. For me the Venom is the transport of choice for Incubi, you not usually going to have the points to run a full squad of them and the dual splinter cannons tie in well with their anti-infantry duties. 12 shots that hit on 3s and wound on 4s makes your opponent roll those 2+ saves, averages say one round of shooting is 1 termie dead, then charge with the Incubi. If they're TH/SS termies then no overwatch to worry about, if they're halberd termies then I believe you're both the same Init, except you get armor saves, but he only gets 5++ saves.

Halberds are AP3...

The suggestions above are good, as a TEQ-heavy GK player my second toughest opponent at our store played DE and it was always rough, overall losing record there. You have access to a massive volume of AP2 shots, take whatever gives you the most of those and just kite the termies until they're all dead.

What about a razorwing with dissies? Throw some missiles that wound on 2's and you should be able to get a good mix of lots of wounds and ignoring their save


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What about a razorwing with dissies? Throw some missiles that wound on 2's and you should be able to get a good mix of lots of wounds and ignoring their save

OP if you're reading this thread one question, what type of termies are you facing? Are they GK termies, DA DW, or DA DWK? If they're DWK then the increased toughness needs to be accounted for

 Valkyrie wrote:

kelewan wrote:
Incubi will eat them and that crazy bitch who ignores all armor and gets an insane amount of attacks stick them in a venom or raider assault out of it and let the pwnage begin

Not the best idea to be honest. You're packing a S3 T3 character in a transport that's as flimsy as Saddam's defence case, against units which can tear it up and them ruin you via Overwatch. He can just challenge you so all your attacks are wasted on a 2++ Stave wielding sergeant. Also considering that your Incubi are only Ap3 in assault, and can be matched in Initiative by Halberds which will be wounding you on 2's with Hammerhand.

which is why you put your archon with a squad of wyches so you have another character to accept challenges, or you multi assault with another squad that has a character, or you give your incubi a klavex. It really isnt hard to have 2 character.

Similarly you assault with a naked hami or warrior squad to eat the overwatch, each squad only gets to overwatch once and once you are in BTB they cannot fire anymore.

Incubi are all AP2 in assault

GK are a relatively short ranged army, with most guns having a 24" range. Have you considered night shields on your shooty rides? These will give you some breathing room to prevent from being shot down, and using mobility you can kite most of their units.

As said, darklight weapons do fine to kill terminators, and dissies do as well. A razorwing will force tons of wounds from the stock missiles, more if you take shatterfields. I would keep the dark lances for AT and to Instakill 2 wound models. Massed poison fire will eventually bring these units down, just stay away from them and shoot them to death.

Incubi are decent if they get close, but I would make them come to you. A beastpack might also be a good idea. Khymerae up front to tank saves, and razorwings in back to rend through them.

andystache wrote:
OP if you're reading this thread one question, what type of termies are you facing? Are they GK termies, DA DW, or DA DWK? If they're DWK then the increased toughness needs to be accounted for

Usually, GK termies, paladins, and DA DW, though I know he has the ability to field DWKs.

What you field will depend on what you're facing. Against Paladins, the lances are best thanks to Instant Death, ignoring FNP and the likely lack of Storm Shields. You do need to use your extra speed to make sure you get into a position where Draigo is not the nearest man, though, otherwise he'll just soak up all those hits on his Storm Shield and being Eternal Warrior.

Deathwing Knights die just like normal Deathwing, except for the Storm Shields - this means lances are no longer such a good idea. Mass firepower is better here, so basically every splinter weapon you can get your grubby mitts on - they'll pay no attention to the Knights' +1 Toughness. Force those 1's and they will go down.

You could also run a mix of the above against Draigo - use weight of fire to bring him down to 1 Wound, then let loose with the lances - your opponent will either have to use Look Out Sir and likely lose a Paladin straight off or risk losing Draigo altogether.