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True, good decks cost big $$$bucks$$$ unless you find a deck on like mtg vault that isn't as costly, but good, or the articles section in the magic website


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The building on a budget set of articles on the Magic the Gathering website are very informative, and give you very nice decks, i built a deck from one of the articles, and it beat my friend's reanimator deck 3 to 4 times in a row,with a budget deck! ( he claims he was getting mana-screwed, but he wasnt)

Here is an EDH deck I've been trying to build:

http://www.mtgdeckbuilder.net/Decks/ViewDeck/836067

Any tips?
I've playtested countless times, and it seems worthwhile investing in.

What might the mana base for a sliver EDH deck look like? Cuz I was thinking of maybe using 3 of each basic type of land, maybe all 10 types of guild gates ( idk why), then using a bunch of the dual lands from m12, like drowned catacombs, etc, then maybe some if the basic lands from the first Ravnica set like gruul turf, or selesnya refuge. Any ideas would be great, also, specific slivers or spells that might add more power to the deck also would be great, thanks!

Only use the ten Guildgates if you're going to throw in the Maze's End as well, just out of principle. You can you use the three colour Alara lands and all the any-colour lands, eg command tower, rupture spire, transguild whatsit, etc

Yeah, so probably just use the stuff like seaside citadel, naya panorama, etc, to give me that ability to get any type of mana, and of course I'll add in the ol' terra morphic expanse, evolving wilds, and maybe even an overgrowth, cultivate, rampant growth, ley of the land, etc

Alright folks....... now, i had a crazy idea the other night to actually, and finally make a myr deck, but a myr decvk that wouldnt cost em too much $$$, so i guess you could say it'll be about $20, overall, maybe less. so like a budget deck, i guess you could say. it will be based around black and green man, so i will have leaden myrs, and copper myrs, to fuel that, along with other myr creatures that make mana, such as palladium myr, which is the best card to have out when i want to play a myr superion (i plan on running 4), but the main idea of this deck is to manipulate my myr, with green, to get creatures out with cards like commune with nature, and buff them, especially when i have myr superion out and throw on a phytoburst, or something to give him trample, but also, the black part of the deck is to control the board, with creature control, and retrieve any myr creatures in my graveyard, with stuff like disentomb, and morbid plunder, and along with the artifacts in the deck, i will be throwing in some equipment, and myr squires, to throw the equipment onto my myr creatures ASAP,.there will be some cards from the golgari guild, stuff like grisly salvage, so i can take a creature out, then the others that get put into the graveyard, can get out when i use disentomb, etc, im still planning this deck, so any ideas would be great! i will see if i can get a decklist up soon, thanks!


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*black and green MANA*


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Or......maybe make it a blue/green myr deck, with flying, and affinity so i could buff my creatures up with green, and control with the blue, and give my myr flying, and utilize the affinity mechanic, and use the artifact lands also, like seat of the synod, and tree of tales, along with my idea for the myr superion, and equipment from my idea above. Any ideas?

Definately green/blue(or even just blue!). Include Mycosynth Golem and Vedalken Archmage to just draw and play your entire deck. Add Thoughtcast, and maybe even Broodstar or Overrun as a finisher.

I have a blue artifact deck from the old planeswalker duel decks that I've modified with some myrs. They can be nasty fethers.

True.....a mono blue myr deck with some affinity could work well, but what about a mono green myr token deck? Maybe throw in a few parallel lives, and such, with populate, up the wazoo. Or, i'll probably just do the mono blue idea with some affinity, and make the myr unblockable, etc. and add some spectral flights in there to let 'em fly. Or......just a mono green buff myr deck would be lots of fun, especially with phytobursts, and some overruns, maybe even add in a beastmasters ascension? still a bit curious as to what might work the best, or i could just do a mono black myr deck which really just raises the dead myr, and kills off my opponents creatures. another cool dynamic of the deck would be to use the perilous myr's ability, to deal the 2 damage, then keep raising it from the graveyard to be used again, and again.(?) etc, etc, any ideas?


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But overall, the deck is going to try and be under $20...(if possible).....so im not killing my wallet, since i do still have an edh deck i have to buy cards for, that are quite spendy.


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Just another question.... would Tezzeret the seeker be good to add in if i did a mono blue myr deck? I probably will anyways, also, im thinking about using runechanter's pikes as the main equipment, and if i can get my hands on some grand architects, to help bring out the myr superion faster, or something of the sort. But i was just curious if tezzeret might work well, and if using runechanter's pikes would be useful also. The instants and sorceries for the pikes might be mill cards....like tome scour,curse of the bloody tome, etc, etc, along with vapor snags, psychic barriers, and gitaxian probes. Any ideas or other input?


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Maybe a red/blue myr deck? Idk.......

Any ideas???

Yeah, play budget affinity. Honestly, what kind of ideas are you looking for that we didn't already cover? You're going to have to be a little more specific on what you want.

A mono blue myr deck that can take control of the board with creature removal, like vapor snag, etc, and other cards that will help me such as telepathy, maybe a few git proves if I can get some more, I also, have enchantments that make my myr unblocakble, and get flying, but also, let me rearrange the top few cards of my deck, such as index, or preordained, and mainstream myr stuff like myr reservoir, myr superion, palladium myr etc, and with all the instants, etc, I will use Runechanter's pikes to make big swings at my opponent. Or, I could use one of my other plans.... Involving the disentomb and creature removal , etc


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'Git probes'

Monoblue doesn't actually have removal, boomerang and unsummon are actually tempo cards. They just slow your opponent down enough for you to get ahead of them for the win. Black, red, or white would have the hard removal you seem to want. Are you wanting a blue artifact, or blue Myr deck? And either go the flying or unblockable route- using both can make you overextended. Redundancy is a good thing.

Mono red myr? That could be fun....... Especially with tons of burn, etc, which would work for the removal, and regular burn, also adding in major mana ramp with maybe a couple geosurges, or seething song, but I had some more ideas...... Too many to be exact.......

I think you need to think of a theme and stick to it. You seem to be bouncing around quite a bit.

Yep....... Same thing with warhammer 40k, couldn't decideon what army to play, but I'll find a theme, no worries

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Yep....... Same thing with warhammer 40k, couldn't decideon what army to play, but I'll find a theme, no worries

If I were you, I'd find a style of deck you want to play (aggro, control, etc...) and then build slot your theme in. You could have the coolest themed deck ever, but if you don't like how it plays you're going to hate it.

Oh, forgot to mention my White Heroic deck finally got its first lost, but since being built it's like 11-1 Not bad for a deck that cost me like 20 bucks to make. Also I need cheap white Bestows

Edit: Also, because I can't be arsed to, I picked up one of the EDH decks last night. Might find a few friends that have EDH decks and see what we can do.

Yeah, i find tons of ideas, and twist them to see if they work, etc, i especially like the budget decks on the mtg vault site, etc, and am currently, and occasionally trying to accumulate cards for the budget mono-green elephant deck, but like in a past post, i took my time and a lot of effort in making the blue budget deck i found on the 'Building on a budget' articles section, and i beat my friends reanimator about 3 to 4 times in a row. (he keeps trying to use the "i didnt have any mana" excuse, but he DID have enough mana to play his spells, etc with...) But yeah, i like too many themes for decks, usually aggro, but my pauper, will be pretty sweet getting a 6/6 with trample out on turn 2...... (defiant elf turn 1, then throw on a phytoburst......and if possible....make it unblockable)


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Alrighty then..... Well, I did recently find a theme to run with, but really, the big question is, what could I use to build around the combo? The combo is 'overrun' combined with 'howl of the night pack' so I'll be playing mass amounts of wolf tokens, maybe even more if I toss in a couple of parallel lives, but what might I use to build around it? A bunch of mana ramp of course, and I already have some young wolves for nice 1st turn 1 drops, but what else could be used? I was thinking I could make the deck green/white or green/black.....any ideas?

Forget about that last post of mine about the wolf idea, we'ere going back to the old days when I ran all 4 of my Ajani Goldmane's in the deck. Yes folks! a life gain deck, plain and simple. I used to churn out 65/65 avatars or even 75/75 avatars with ajani's ultimate, and gaining mass amounts of life, and keep gaining it throughout the game. So far for the decklist, (its going to be white/green)I have so far, for an accumulated bunch of cards i would like to use-

14 plains
10 forest

4 Ajani Goldmane

4 Elixir of immortality
4 Ajani's Sunstriker
4 Ajani's Pridemate
4 Leonin Skyhunter
4 brave the lements
4 stream of life
4 silvercoat lion
4 shielded passage
4 lifelink
4 trained caracal
4 fog
4 heroes reunion
4 pay no heed
4 ajani's mantra
3-4 holy mantle
3-4 stave off
3-4 ordeal of heliod

etc,etc, any ideas?
I know this is over 60 cards etc. but this is NOT the final deck. I am still switching ot stuff and waiting to add some things in. Such as a Transcendant master,felidar sovereign, celestial mantle,rhox faithmender, etc. The basis of this deck is of course life, but also the fact that the life you gain will keep you going til you can pull off ajani's ultimate, and churn out na big avatar, or win outright with felidar soveriegn, once you have 40+ life, also, transcendant master is also a main creature to keep hacking away at your opponent, and once hes indestructible, you will be obnoxious as heck, when you attack. Also, celestial mantle and rhox faithmender can get you higher in life 2x as fast, . But i recently also had the idea of using Cho-manno revolutionary, and add on lifelink, etc, and he also, could be a total pain because all damaga towards him is prevented. I also have a version of this deck that is white/blue, but green seemed like a better color to run with it for the mana ramp, etc, to get out the bigger creatures, but the blue idea is also ok, in that i can give my creatures hexproof, and flying, etc, and setup my next draws with index, etc, it also utilizes azor's elocutors well, in that the life i keep gaining, will keep me alive to get 5 counters on the elocutors, so i win!, any ideas?


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This is not really supposed to be the decklist, just cards i plan on using

Wow.... This thread really does go in spurts....

I really only get to play magic once or twice a month, so I'm not always hip to what's going on. Also I'm terrible at deck construction so I'm useless in that sort of regard, and I really only get excited around new set release time.

Also, personally man I'm a little burnt out on your, "how about this deck idea" posts, because deep down I know any advice I might give will just go onto a stack of other posts about the topic and you won't pull the trigger and stick with a deck idea. How about you build a deck, stick with it, and actually see how it plays?

I know you've said you didn't want to spend a lot of money on magic cards, but that's why there are budget deck lists of what people have already done. Hell my White Heroic deck cost me like 20 bucks when everything was all said and done and has only lost 1 game in times I've used it. Compare that to my Rakdos deck that has 3 stormbreath dragons in it, and it's happy if I go .500 with it.

If you are looking for a dedicated MtG community, perhaps MtG: Salvation or another one of those sites is where you can find the help you're looking for at the speed with which you're looking for it.

For a lifegain deck, and especially in multiplayer I like to use Congregate. Pious Kitsune and Eight-and-a-half Tails were one of my favorite little combos. I miss kamigawa.

And Alf, it's not like you HAVE to read his posts. I enjoy helping out and theory crafting even if I don't play as much as I used to. I don't post on MTG Salvation, because I like the community here better. You're not the only one in this thread. (Granted, it's pretty much been us three the last couple weeks).

Yeah, ty, i plan on using a lot of protection in my lifegain deck like the 'brave the elements' etc, so i can bypass almost anything, and i also am trying to find a couple Felidar sovereign, and transcendant masters, to use in the deck also.

Also... Alf, I apologize if i am a 'burden' to you, its just that i really have no other place to ask about decks. Really the only other place is at my friends game shop (he owns and runs it) and the only reason he would tell me a deck was a good idea, would be if i have to buy the cards from him, and give him money, which is sometimes all he seemingly cares about, which is sad. And yeah... it has really just been us 3.....

What Alf was referring to were magic the gathering dedicated forums like http://forums.mtgsalvation.com or wizards of the coast's http://community.wizards.com/?f=131 . I don't really like to post there, because they can be pretty toxic at times if you're not on the tournament bandwagon. I do like browsing salvation for their guides- they're usually very good about the tournament scene and what's doing well. That said, I still prefer dakkadakka to post because I've seen a lot f the posters on other parts of the site, and I have an idea of what they're about and what they think.

So I have a silly question;

If I use Progenitor Mimic on a Hydroformed Land, do I get a free 3/3 Flyer at the beginning of every turn that turns into a Land, do I get free lands every turn (Since at the end of Turn, Progenitor Mimic might become a land), do I get a creature that stays a creature but counts as a land, or do I break the game and the universe implodes?






Also, what happens if I use Progenitor Mimic on Progenitus?

You will get a 3/3 flying elemental land creature. If you copy progenitus(since it doesn't target), you'll get a copy too. New legend rules says you can both have one. But every time it makes a token you'll have to sacrifice one of them(preferably the token probably).

curious...... would it be wise to pair Nicol Bolas up with Sorin Markov, and chandra nalaar? or would they no have good synergy?( I plan on making a grixis deck, with nicol bolas as the main threat, but will have tons of removal, like vapor snags,doom blades, etc, also, I will be running a lot of creatures with haste, also, a lot of mana ramp, etc)

Personally I don't think they would synchronize well together. Nicol Bolas pretty much just wins games by himself if he stays out long enough. Cruel Ultimatum is always a winner for a grixis deck if you can get hold of one.

So guys, in my play group/FLGS, it's mostly RDW and U/W Control that is winning right now.

Do I go with a Golgari mulch deck that tries to get Lolteth Troll and Nemisis of Mortals out as fast as possible?

Do I go with a Simic Flash based deck (Horizons Bird, Boon Satyr, Shambleshark)

Or do I try out a Gruul LD deck based around ramping out a Monstrous Ember Swallower as early as turn three?


Alternatively, do I just go ape gak with Hydras using Mono Green Devotion, Nykthos, and mana ramping?

I think your best bet would be the golgari deck out of those options. Land destruction won't slow rdw down at all, and I think simic would have a hard time getting anything worthwhile through the permission of u/w control. If golgari can hold on long enough, it can eventually pound out a match against rdw, and against control you can play smart and win through attrition.