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http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/feature/banned-and-restricted-announcement-2015-01-19

Pod is dead. Long live the Pod.

Glad to see the Grave-Troll unbanned. Should make for some nice dredge decks.


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(I kinda want the goyf banned so the prices might go down... )

Huh, didn't know grave troll was ever banned. Doesn't seem like it really warranted it.

Mostly because of the perceived power level of dredge decks plus Dread Return iirc...which is also banned.

Well. dredge decks are powerful if you aren't careful . I had this one guy beat me in like 3 turns.

And the Troll dredges for what, 6? He's a very good enabler for the decks that want him.

My mill deck shall have a new nemesis then. Thankfully, I'm loaded with these.

Ravenous Trap is a better answer since it just removes everything. Although being able to strip their deck of any remaining Narcomoeba's is certainly a bonus worth considering.

Ravenous trap/tormod's crypt would probably be sideboard material if the graveyard shenanigans are really that bad. Both cost zero, and so what if you can see one coming? If I was playing 8-Rack I would definitely consider playing both Extirpate and Surgical Extraction. Assuming you're able to get all 8, it's only 4 mana to trip them of up to 32 cards is powerful. Those also really work in B/X mill, but let's face it it's probably gonna be U/B mill because Hedron Crab and Jace's Phantasm.

Anyone got any good ideas for some cool Tiny Leaders decks, or
is TL still new to people? If so, I can give you some links!

That's true, although I can see a convoluted scenario where you cantrip into a Trap to remove your opponent's graveyard in response to some reshuffle trigger or ability or somesuch. There's quite a few of them about these days.

And a surprise hit against dredge is definitely worth it, because a good dredge player can slowroll if the Crypt is on the table forcing you to use it suboptimally.

Also 8 life is a lot for all four extirpates especially against an aggro-combo deck.

Oh, and because it just hit me: Mesmeric Orb for a mill deck does an incredible amount of work for only two mana. That is, if your opponent wants to continue attacking and casting spells.
Also comboes to self-mill you for an arbitrary amount in combination with seeker of skybreak / fatestitcher in case you want to use some graveyard shenanigans yourself.

 orkkiller21 wrote:
Anyone got any good ideas for some cool Tiny Leaders decks, or
is TL still new to people? If so, I can give you some links!

What is Tiny Leaders?

Bran Dawri wrote:
That's true, although I can see a convoluted scenario where you cantrip into a Trap to remove your opponent's graveyard in response to some reshuffle trigger or ability or somesuch. There's quite a few of them about these days.

And a surprise hit against dredge is definitely worth it, because a good dredge player can slowroll if the Crypt is on the table forcing you to use it suboptimally.

Also 8 life is a lot for all four extirpates especially against an aggro-combo deck.

If I'm running Jace's Phantasm or Consuming Aberration as an alternate win-con, exiling the whole graveyard is actually counterproductive. Removing only key pieces of it slows them down just fine. I also run some board control in the form of Geth's Verdict and Cyclonic Rift. If I had the $$$, Damnation would be in there too.

EDIT: #ReprintIntModernMastersPlz

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 orkkiller21 wrote:
Anyone got any good ideas for some cool Tiny Leaders decks, or
is TL still new to people? If so, I can give you some links!

What is Tiny Leaders?

It's a competitive 50 card edh variant with all cards being CMC 3 or less. It started at Game Knight Games in Winnipeg, MB, Canada and has been spreading quite rapidly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlCR_O9cAJU

 Wilytank wrote:
If I'm running Jace's Phantasm or Consuming Aberration as an alternate win-con, exiling the whole graveyard is actually counterproductive. Removing only key pieces of it slows them down just fine. I also run some board control in the form of Geth's Verdict and Cyclonic Rift. If I had the $$$, Damnation would be in there too.

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Fair enough. Have you considered Echoing Truth versus token strategies?

 frozenwastes wrote:

 Sinful Hero wrote:

 orkkiller21 wrote:
Anyone got any good ideas for some cool Tiny Leaders decks, or
is TL still new to people? If so, I can give you some links!

What is Tiny Leaders?

It's a competitive 50 card edh variant with all cards being CMC 3 or less. It started at Game Knight Games in Winnipeg, MB, Canada and has been spreading quite rapidly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlCR_O9cAJU

That sounds really interesting. I suppose the leader still need to be a legendary or walker under cmc 3?

Yeah. Though there are some 2/2 for 3 generic leaders to allow the various colour combinations.

Yup, tiny leaders is like a mini commander format, BUT, the cards ALL have to be 3 mana or under, even the commander, you start at 25 life, and its a 1v1 based game as well, but I would imagine people will be playing massive games with it anyways, with house rules, etc, its getting big, and i already have a pretty fun alesha deck if you wanna check it out, i will add a link

http://www.mtgvault.com/tigerknight21/decks/alesha-tiny-leaders/

Alrighty then........well, here are some helpful links to learn about Tiny Leaders with!

banned list-

http://tinyleaders.blogspot.ca/2013/09/ban-list.html

intro to format-

http://tinyleaders.blogspot.ca/2013/09/introduction-to-format.html

Comprehensive and plain text rules-

http://tinyleaders.blogspot.ca/2014/02/comprehensive-rules-v10.html

http://tinyleaders.blogspot.ca/2014/02/plain-text-rules.html

current and up to date info-

http://tinyleaders.blogspot.ca/

Or.....you cann find their facebook page, and check that out as well!

Alrighty, well, besides, tiny leaders, I have been thinking of starting my 3rd edh deck, but....with so many choices for a commander, I wasnt sure which one to roll with, so... its either between -

Shu Yun
Rakdos, lord of riots*
Riku of 2 reflections*
Lazav, dimir mastermind*
Sydri, galvanic genius
thassa god of the sea
varolz
athreos*
marath
marchesa*

Those are the main choices, but the names with the '*'s by them are my top few, marchesa is also, sort of almost number 1 on the list as well, (the names are out of order, i know) Any ideas, I dont want to go u/w, or mono white, since those are already my other edh decks, just curious if anyone had any ides, thanks!

I'm sure Rakdos would be a lot of fun.

Yeah, I have rakdos lord of riots, for the deck, but i was also still thinking of making a mono green edh, or a mono blue one, with thassa as the commander, or.....use shu yun, to make a jeskai aggro edh, so i'd probably buy the speed vs cunning dule decks set which has a lot of the stuff i need, or i could go mono blue, with arcanis the omnipotent.....hmmmm.....


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Or maybe, i could make a mono blue edh with venser, shaper savant, and go bounce crazy wth it, etc....hmmmm....thats ounds fun...


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well, the mono blue venser idea has won, heres the prototype list coming together! any ideas?

link to the deck which is still under construction-

http://www.mtgvault.com/tigerknight21/decks/vensers-bouncy-house/

I really hate bad magic players. Namely those who are bad sports and let it affect the attitude.

/start rant
I don't deny that playing against my EDH decks isn't always the most fun. I play fairly competitively, I pretty much hold only to Black or 80+% Black decks, and all of my EDH decks have a good portion dedicated to Stax effects. Now despite this, I do keep very light with my attitude when I play; no one likes to play with the snob. It's more fun for everyone when there are laughs and good times, no matter who wins. Because of this, most players at Uni and FLGS have no issue playing with me, even if many don't have good records playing against me.

But there's this one guy who I despise because he holds grudges in between games. In games, if someone does something against him in one game, even if it's something from over a week ago, he holds it against people and then gets pissy about it, and targets only that person no matter the board state. Today was a prime example of it. He got mad when I used a Fleshbag to quickly remove an Animar from the field to stop the player from ramping into 5+ creatures in the next few turns, and it took out his one 2/2 creature with an ETB effect. He got all upset, ranting about how removal went against the game and it stops people from playing their decks. So rather than dealing with a player that if left unchecked will win handily, he focuses all of his efforts on me, for the next several games, no matter the board state. With counters no less. Player casts Kozilek for free? Nope I'll counter your Viscera Seer.

It's less of him targeting me, it's the pettiness of it to be doing it when clearly I am of no threat and he's being asinine and ignoring an actual threat.


It's also the problem of the whole "Hating removal" thing. The guy's been playing for only a year now, and has the whole "I want to turn my creatures sideways to win. Any other way isn't the right way to win" that has been present in newer and younger players, especially since Wizards implemented the Creature Power Creep in the late 2000's to counter the combo and spell power.

/rant over

Eh. There's not much to be done about it. Could always just try a different deck- castle up, or build a deck around punishing an attacker. If he's going to focus you and solely you(just to prevent you from winning), might as well make him pay for it. Might help him learn something.

I wouldn't refuse to play him. Might make you seem like a bad sport.

Is this guy also one of those TFG of the LGS scene?

Next time, try an enchantment called War Tax (at least I think it's called that) At the beginning of each turn you pay X or something, and then until your next turn, players can't attack you unless they pay X for each creature attacking.

Or, if he simply is just playing counterspells on you, try Vexing Shusher, or one of the many "Spells you control can't be countered" type things.

Either that, or sit in a way that he can't directly attack you unless he goes through one other player (attack left, defend right.)

Sinful Hero wrote:Eh. There's not much to be done about it. Could always just try a different deck- castle up, or build a deck around punishing an attacker. If he's going to focus you and solely you(just to prevent you from winning), might as well make him pay for it. Might help him learn something.

I wouldn't refuse to play him. Might make you seem like a bad sport.

My decks are potent enough on their own. Stax/Sac Engine build types aren't particularly popular with opponents. I'll just need to make it faster.

I'm not the only one who's had this problem with him, which is why a number of people don't play with him.

I have no problem of people targeting me early in a "You can be a massive threat later", but when it's "That guy has 9 creatures on the field, including 2 Eldrazi, and he can practically play most creatures for free (Animar), but I'm going to Sleep your 2 creatures this turn, and then counter your boardwipe even though I have no creatures on the field." it's fething annoying.

PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:Is this guy also one of those TFG of the LGS scene?

Either that, or sit in a way that he can't directly attack you unless he goes through one other player (attack left, defend right.)

No, he's not a TFG. He's not smart or a good enough of a player to be that. They guy that I'm usually dealing with as a threat is always able to convince him to not do anything to him, despite being the primary threat each multiplayer game.

Also, playing Mono-Black. Lots of those options not in my ability to play.

Boseiju, Who Shelters All can help your instants and sorceries that require colorless mana. Not sure how well that would work if you're saccin lands often though, but it's an option. I'm guessing you're also running some black tutors that could find it? There's also Dash Hopes...but it might be a little underpowered.

Try Painful Quandary. - 3BB

Enchantment

Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player loses 5 life unless he or she discards a card.

Make him pay for casting spells that don't advance the game.

 PlaguelordHobbyServices wrote:
Try Painful Quandary. - 3BB

Enchantment

Whenever an opponent casts a spell, that player loses 5 life unless he or she discards a card.

Make him pay for casting spells that don't advance the game.

One of the cards he countered actually.

I really have no issue with my deck itself, I have more issue with the petty attitude. And talking with other people, they don't like it either. It's just me ranting against bad players and creature power creep.

There's few creatures so powerful that they can't be removed in EDH, least of all by black which has various boardwipe. Blue and red can steal them, white has even more boardwipe. Big creatures are a liability afaibst blue and red, token swarms are harder to deal with.

I play a red/blue deck, blue/green counters using Vorel of the Hull Clade (which makes creatures huge and abuses +1/+1 counters) and a colourless deck with Karn. That's my fun deck as it struggles competitively having almost no sorceries.