Explosion reported near Boston Marathon

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**whembly**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Political point scoring by labeling republicans with this is as tactless and moronic as that shiteater trying to tinfoilconspiracy pin it on Obama.

If it does turn out to be some guy claiming a right wing affiliation, if it is some suvivalism McVey creature, that does not mean that any sane republican would support or condone it.

President Obama said that on a day like today there are no republicans and no democrats, just Americans, so be Americans or humane people of any other nation and show bipartisan support for civilians celebrating a sporting event with their families on a week of holiday, who were cruelly and brutally attacked by a sadistic element, an element that should and WILL be found and punished.

There are dead children and people are lying in hospital beds missing limbs they had on a few hours previous.

No more partisan point scoring, it's repellent.

Exactly! BTW... I'm glad you and your family is safe.

**Monster Rain**

The nice thing about people like Grundz is they aren't around for very long.

**whembly**

xraytango wrote:
whembly wrote:
d-usa wrote:
From the article:

Counterterrorism officials found five additional suspect devices, but a law-enforcement official said late Monday that investigators now doubt the devices were bombs.

If they're not bombs, then WTF are they? Decoys?

Misdelivered Reaper Kickstarter boxes?

Okay... that was funny...

Seriously... I can't calm down... I might take some sleeping pills just to go to sleep so that I'm not raging all night long.

**Ahtman**

Bromsy wrote:
Mannahnin wrote:
Rep McCaul is apparently unaware that people have been putting ball bearings and similar cheaply obtained shrapnel objects in explosive devices since long before he was born.

Quite, this could simply be someone who has seen the movie Swordfish.

There was more to that movie than Halle Berry's breasts?

As for the incident I have no interest in speculating on the source as I am not privvy to enough information to make a reasoned guess, nor do I want to watch the news speculate on even less information for the next 48 hours before any actual new, verifiable information comes up.

**Grundz**

Edited by AgeOfEgos

**MeanGreenStompa**

Grundz wrote:

That should help things along for you

You need to quit building bonfires here, this is too soon for you to be using it to start fights with people over how they voted/for your amusement, you understand me? Cease this.

**AgeOfEgos**

Consider this the final warning for this thread--please consider others and the nature of this thread before posting. Thanks.

**whembly**

Can we post Twitter post on dakka?

According to my feed:

FBI, Homeland Security, ICE, State Police and Bomb squad just made entry to 5th floor apt. Unclear if connected.

Considerably more activity now in the lobby of the 5th floor Revere MA apartment building. More Agents are gathered there.

**Grey Templar**

whembly wrote:
DA's Forever wrote:
Im with whoever said we should string him up for the crows

I'm not going to say what I'd advocate... suffice to say, it'd leave a lasting impression for any future terrorist to think twice.

North America isn't lacking in ferocious wild animals, I think something involving a hungry Wolverine would be appropriate.

**Breotan**

To hell with being creative. Just put a bullet in his/her/their head and be done with it.

**Grey Templar**

No, I demand suffering!

**whembly**

Grey Templar wrote:
No, I demand suffering!

Calm down...let the investigators find those who's responsible. Their reckoning will come...

Via Twittah again... there's report that a gak ton of search warrants are being executed right now.

Also, a man driving a van has been apprehended:

Dude in a van matching descriptions drove by blockade numerous times and was stopped and was nervous then led to the apartment in Revere.

**Adam LongWalker**

As bad as this is to see, you have to give a thumbs up for the medical people, civilians, law enforcement, others saving so many more lives that could have been lost.

Let us hope and pray that the loss of life will be low.

**azazel the cat**

Grey Templar wrote:No, I demand suffering!

Then send 'em to prison.

**Ouze**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
There are dead children and people are lying in hospital beds missing limbs they had on a few hours previous.

No more partisan point scoring, it's repellent.

Best post in this thread, sad it needed to be said at all.

**dogma**

Bromsy wrote:
It's tax day too, so that might point toward domestic.

Its tax day and the Boston Marathon is held on Patriot's Day, which commemorates the first battles of the revolutionary war and has been noted as significant by militia groups in the past. Additionally, Waco and Oklahoma City were both on April, 19th; which is often Patriot's Day (third Monday in April).

Albatross wrote:
Monster Rain wrote:
Am I wrong for thinking that if this was an actual terrorist attack that someone would have claimed responsibility by now?

Dunno... It can take a while for the 'martyrdom' videos to surface, usually via Al Jazeera. Unsuspiciously.

Additionally, if it was a domestic group there may not be a public claim of responsibility at all.

**azazel the cat**

dogma wrote:
Bromsy wrote:
It's tax day too, so that might point toward domestic.

Its tax day and the Boston Marathon is held on Patriot's Day, which commemorates the first battles of the revolutionary war and has been noted as significant by militia groups in the past. Additionally, Waco and Oklahoma City were both on April, 19th; which is often Patriot's Day (third Monday in April).

The seige at Waco ended when the government decided to end it; and I think that entire debacle originated with a religious cult; I don't think it was really an anti-government thing. It's somewhat off topic; I just don't think Waco fits into this. At all.

**Ouze**

Well, it does, if you pre-suppose that it's a right-wing type issue, by which I mean militia types*. If so, Waco is very important because it's a good illustration of the federal government at it's worst - brutishly cracking down on people who just wanted to be left alone, as with Ruby Ridge

*and I'm not pre-supposing that at all. We have no information other than the fact it was tax day, the rest is all bs media wheel-spinning. I'm simply indicating that the events at Waco, Ruby Ridge, and Oklahoma all fit neatly into a very specific narrative of a small subset of extremism in this country.

**Monster Rain**

If you're breaking laws I think that means your wish to be "left alone" is irrelevant.

Which isn't to say they should have been burned, of course.

**Ouze**

That's not really the point, I'm not going to try and rationalize why crazy militia people think they way they do, and I'm not going to bother arguing this with you. I'm simply responding to Azazel that you can't divorce Waco from the Oklahoma city bombing and such; especially when Timothy MCveigh expressly stated that his motivation was the events of Waco.

**Sigvatr**

A Boston kin mate I know took part in the marathron and finished about 15 minutes before the explosion hit. He was already a good few meters away from the finishing line, recovering from the marathon and chatting with friends & family. I am glad he's well, but he said he'd never seen such brutality in his entire life; people without limbs, blood everywhere, a lot of people being in a daze, stumbling around, it was horrible.

**Gorskar.da.Lost**

Ouze wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
There are dead children and people are lying in hospital beds missing limbs they had on a few hours previous.

No more partisan point scoring, it's repellent.

Best post in this thread, sad it needed to be said at all.

Seconded. Bad enough it happened at all, really, without making more of it.

**Frazzled**

xraytango wrote:

Real shame about those who died, and one was just a kid with his whole life ahead of him. Probably was having the time of his life at the race today.

No, prayer should be with the families of those affected, and the remaining wounded.

Don't feel bad for the kid or the other dead. The child was innocent. Under God's own Law he/she has a ticket straight to the pearly gates and wonders we can't possibly imagine. He will never again experience fear, terror, loss, or pain. For them, its all good now.

**Dreadclaw69**

Sigvatr wrote:
A Boston kin mate I know took part in the marathron and finished about 15 minutes before the explosion hit. He was already a good few meters away from the finishing line, recovering from the marathon and chatting with friends & family. I am glad he's well, but he said he'd never seen such brutality in his entire life; people without limbs, blood everywhere, a lot of people being in a daze, stumbling around, it was horrible.

Glad to hear your friend is alright.

**Ahtman**

Ouze wrote:
especially when Timothy MCveigh expressly stated that his motivation was the events of Waco.

I wouldn't exactly call him a rational person for whom I would believe how he interpreted events as being sound; "brutishly cracking down on people who just wanted to be left alone, as with Ruby Ridge" is certainly one way of considering the events, but it isn't a very accurate one, and is a bit self serving for those that want to view it through that particular lens.

**kronk**

whembly wrote:
d-usa wrote:
From the article:

Counterterrorism officials found five additional suspect devices, but a law-enforcement official said late Monday that investigators now doubt the devices were bombs.

If they're not bombs, then WTF are they? Decoys?

All it means is that they found devices that they haven't ID'd yet. Being this was near the finish line of a very grueling race, it could simply have been various medical equipment for runners that were dropped as people fled. The persons finding it might not know what it is, so they reported it to a LEO.

Like a personal defibrillator (pictured below) that was dropped on the ground and broken into pieces. Lots of possibilities. Strange reports and rumors will abound for the next few days. Take news that doesn't come directly from a news conference with a grain of salt for now.

**Monster Rain**

Ouze wrote:
That's not really the point, I'm not going to try and rationalize why crazy militia people think they way they do, and I'm not going to bother arguing this with you. I'm simply responding to Azazel that you can't divorce Waco from the Oklahoma city bombing and such; especially when Timothy MCveigh expressly stated that his motivation was the events of Waco.

It just seemed that you were sweeping some reportedly hideous behavior by the Branch Davidians under the rug for the sake of making your point, that's all.

McVeigh was a nutjob though, so I'm not sure I put too much stock in what he says. Jodie Foster was the motivation for the Reagan Assassination attempt, as I recall.

**Da Boss**

I hope those who were injured recover. What a horrible event.

It does strike me that if something like this happened in Iraq or Afganistan or the Sudan, it wouldn't even be a blip on our radar, let alone the depth of emotion some are experiencing.

A good example of the power of "us" and "them" in psychology, I think.

MGS, MR, I'm glad you and your families were unharmed.

**Monster Rain**

Why is it considered strange that we indentify more with events that affect us than those which do not?

And thanks, Da Boss.

**Da Boss**

It's not strange, but it is worth reflecting on. I'm not trying to piss anyone off.