Explosion reported near Boston Marathon

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**BaronIveagh**

Grey Templar wrote:
How often are deadman switches used? Is it a major threat with things like this, can't be huge otherwise we probably wouldn't even use an ECM vehicle at all.

Depends on how much time, effort, and skill your bomber has. These guys strike me as amateurs, so pretty unlikely. A skilled bomber would have detonated the bombs, and then drove a much larger device to the scene disguised as an ambulance or police car, gotten to a minimum safe distance and detonated, with a five min timer as a backup detonator, This causes maximum casualties, particularly among the first responders.

**MeanGreenStompa**

FBI released photographs.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22211190#FBM228576

**djones520**

BaronIveagh wrote:
Grey Templar wrote:
How often are deadman switches used? Is it a major threat with things like this, can't be huge otherwise we probably wouldn't even use an ECM vehicle at all.

Depends on how much time, effort, and skill your bomber has. These guys strike me as amateurs, so pretty unlikely. A skilled bomber would have detonated the bombs, and then drove a much larger device to the scene disguised as an ambulance or police car, gotten to a minimum safe distance and detonated, with a five min timer as a backup detonator, This causes maximum casualties, particularly among the first responders.

Or set the other to go off a minute or two after the first. It would have given more time for people to gather after the first.

They didn't pay to much attention to a near decade of IED use in Iraq.

**MeanGreenStompa**

http://www.fbi.gov/news/updates-on-investigation-into-multiple-explosions-in-boston

**d-usa**

Just moving the second device up the street to the medical tent would have been pretty bad.

**djones520**

d-usa wrote:
Just moving the second device up the street to the medical tent would have been pretty bad.

Yes, that would probably have increased the number of dead by an exponential amount just from the impact on the first responders not getting there in time.

**whembly**

is it possible that no one has claimed resposibility due to our drone policy/

**BaronIveagh**

whembly wrote:
is it possible that no one has claimed resposibility due to our drone policy/

Not likely. Most of these guys like to think they're really smart or are not afraid to die. Or both. Taking credit is a big thing for them, an ego kick and proof of their 'superiority'.

**djones520**

BaronIveagh wrote:
whembly wrote:
is it possible that no one has claimed resposibility due to our drone policy/

Not likely. Most of these guys like to think they're really smart or are not afraid to die. Or both. Taking credit is a big thing for them, an ego kick and proof of their 'superiority'.

I think he was joking.

**Jihadin**

None of the major/inor terrorist grps are claiming it so far which I really hope they don't....thinking its a nutjob X 2 at least. They moved the ECM in after the explosion to prevent 2ndary by remote. Even though the IED's went off by pressure cookers can you imagine the backlash the LEO and others would get if they were remote detonated instead.

**whembly**

djones520 wrote:
BaronIveagh wrote:
whembly wrote:
is it possible that no one has claimed resposibility due to our drone policy/

Not likely. Most of these guys like to think they're really smart or are not afraid to die. Or both. Taking credit is a big thing for them, an ego kick and proof of their 'superiority'.

I think he was joking.

yup.

**BaronIveagh**

Jihadin wrote:
None of the major/inor terrorist grps are claiming it so far which I really hope they don't....thinking its a nutjob X 2 at least. They moved the ECM in after the explosion to prevent 2ndary by remote. Even though the IED's went off by pressure cookers can you imagine the backlash the LEO and others would get if they were remote detonated instead.

My money is on a new domestic player. Radical right wing fringe group would seem to match up with the symbolism best.

whembly wrote:
djones520 wrote:

I think he was joking.

yup.

As some of you who have chatted with me before may recall, I have no sense of humor when things are exploding. Save perhaps 'gallows humor'.

**Jihadin**

Depends on the location. It can be a real enlightening experience or the funky feel of the shockwave going through you..........the other be getting gonged inside the vehicle

**BaronIveagh**

Jihadin wrote:
Depends on the location. It can be a real enlightening experience or the funky feel of the shockwave going through you..........the other be getting gonged inside the vehicle

Spalling is not my friend, It hurts.

A lot.

Conversely, there is a sort of interesting, rhythmic feel to shock waves washing over you as you lay prone. As long as it doesn't land too close to the hole you're trying to make deeper.

**CptJake**

djones520 wrote:
d-usa wrote:
Just moving the second device up the street to the medical tent would have been pretty bad.

Yes, that would probably have increased the number of dead by an exponential amount just from the impact on the first responders not getting there in time.

More importantly, it would have taken out the on site medics who are credited with saving a lot of lives. With those guys as casualties this would have ended much worse.

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BaronIveagh wrote:

My money is on a new domestic player. Radical right wing fringe group would seem to match up with the symbolism best.

Is it your belief that the April 15th date is important? Do you think if the Marathon had been held on the 12th or the 17th for example it would not have been the target?

**MrDwhitey**

My money is on some sad bastard who felt the need to kill innocents was justified, and who thusly, was wrong.

**djones520**

CptJake wrote:

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BaronIveagh wrote:

My money is on a new domestic player. Radical right wing fringe group would seem to match up with the symbolism best.

Is it your belief that the April 15th date is important? Do you think if the Marathon had been held on the 12th or the 17th for example it would not have been the target?

Tax Day.

**MeanGreenStompa**

Tax Day, Patriot's Day in Mass, Boston home of revolution and the Tea Party.

All adds up to a statement, if you were looking for patterns in the chaos.

**Seaward**

I'm having a great deal of fun watching the internet scream at itself over the ethnicity of those guys.

**NuggzTheNinja**

My money is on this guy: http://abcnews.go.com/US/sunil-tripathi-surveillance-footage-shows-missing-ivy-league/story?id=18845517#.UXCeRLWLiSo

Mar. 12 and 15, homemade explosives are detonated in Hanover, an hour from where he goes to school.

http://www.patriotledger.com/news/x711938623/Hanover-bombs-a-mystery-to-police

He looks a hell of a lot like bomber #2.

http://i.imgur.com/5B0yXlB.jpg

**CptJake**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Tax Day, Patriot's Day in Mass, Boston home of revolution and the Tea Party.

All adds up to a statement, if you were looking for patterns in the chaos.

So then you do NOT think the Boston Marathon was the target. Interesting. What do you think they would have hit on the 15th if the Marathon had been on the 12th or 16th or any date besides the 15th?

I don't agree with you at all by the way. I think the event was the target. If you are going to use a symbolic date you also choose a more symbolic target. US Anti-govt types in the past have hit gov't type targets. These guys instead chose a target the same way jihadist types do, a public event in a public place and civilians....

Used device out of a jihadist playbook and even featured in Inspire? check
Template for attack (multiple devices with some separation in time and distance) out of jihadist playbook we've seen overseas? check
Target selection out of jihadist playbook (hit sporting events and public gatherings)? check

Of course it could be anti-gov't types following jihadist playbook, we don't know. I do know the attack is of a type that anti-gov't types have never done so is way outside what you would expect from them.

We'll see.

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Seaward wrote:
I'm having a great deal of fun watching the internet scream at itself over the ethnicity of those guys.

Ethnicity means nothing. John Walker Lind was a white kid. Plenty of other examples along that line.

**azazel the cat**

CptJake wrote:Ethnicity means nothing.

And just what is the mineral composition of the rock you apparently live under?

**CptJake**

azazel the cat wrote:
CptJake wrote:Ethnicity means nothing.

And just what is the mineral composition of the rock you apparently live under?

Nice personal attack.

Ethnicity means nothing in this case. Ideology and motivation are what drives the attack.

Why am I wrong?

We know AQ and their ilk purposely recruit white/euro/anglo looking types.

**reds8n**

We can do without comments like this please. It doesn't add anything to the discussion.

If you're just trying to insult another user .. don't. If you're trying to make a point then find a better way to do it.

Thanks.

**CptJake**

And it looks like I may have been correct....

**MeanGreenStompa**

CptJake wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Tax Day, Patriot's Day in Mass, Boston home of revolution and the Tea Party.

All adds up to a statement, if you were looking for patterns in the chaos.

So then you do NOT think the Boston Marathon was the target. Interesting. What do you think they would have hit on the 15th if the Marathon had been on the 12th or 16th or any date besides the 15th?

I don't agree with you at all by the way. I think the event was the target. If you are going to use a symbolic date you also choose a more symbolic target. US Anti-govt types in the past have hit gov't type targets. These guys instead chose a target the same way jihadist types do, a public event in a public place and civilians....

I didn't say the marathon wasn't the target, I'm saying the marathon IN Boston, on this day, was the target...

**Dreadclaw69**

Looks like things took a dramatic turn - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22212946

US police are hunting a suspect in Monday's deadly Boston Marathon bombing, after another suspect was killed in a car chase and shoot-out.

Police began the manhunt on Thursday after an officer was killed at a university campus.

Two suspects stole a car and threw bombs and traded gunfire with police chasing them. An officer was wounded.

Three people were killed and more than 170 wounded when two bombs exploded near the finish line of the marathon.

The authorities tracked the two suspects to Watertown, west of Boston, where one was killed and another escaped.

Police later confirmed that the two men they were chasing were suspects in Monday's marathon bombing.

The FBI has released several images of two men they were hunting in relation to the bombing.

One was wearing a white cap, the other had a black cap.

Police said "suspect number one" had been killed, and they were looking for "suspect number two", the "white-capped individual".

Col Timothy Alben: Suspect is "armed and dangerous"
The authorities in Massachusetts Bay have suspended the transport system and no vehicles are being allowed in or out of the Watertown area.

Officials have told people in the area to stay at home, and warned businesses not to open.

Armed police Swat teams are going from door-to-door in Watertown searching for the suspect.

Blast wounds
An earlier police statement said the two men were suspected of killing a police officer on campus at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) late on Thursday.

They then stole a car at gunpoint and drove away with the car's owner still on board.

They released the driver unharmed.

After a car chase, witnesses in Watertown heard several explosions and a gun-battle lasting 10 minutes.

Video footage emerged showing a fully-clothed suspect lying on the floor, surrounded by police.

More video was shown by US media of a suspect being led into a police car after being stripped of his clothes.

But it is not clear who the men were - and what happened after their apparent arrest.

Dr Richard Wolfe, of the Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, said the suspect was brought in with multiple blast and gunshot wounds to his upper body.

Watertown resident describes explosions and gunfire
He was in cardiac arrest when he arrived at hospital and despite attempts to resuscitate him, he was pronounced dead at 01:35 (05:35 GMT), Dr Wolfe said. .

Police also confirmed that an officer had been critically wounded in the chase.

Boston police Commissioner Ed Davis said he believed the man being hunted in Watertown was a "terrorist".

"We believe this to be a man who came here to kill people," he said.

Three people were killed and more than 170 wounded when the two bombs exploded near the finish line of the Boston Marathon.

The blasts killed Martin Richard, aged eight, Krystle Campbell, 29, and Lu Lingzi, 23, a postgraduate student from China.

**CptJake**

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
CptJake wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Tax Day, Patriot's Day in Mass, Boston home of revolution and the Tea Party.

All adds up to a statement, if you were looking for patterns in the chaos.

So then you do NOT think the Boston Marathon was the target. Interesting. What do you think they would have hit on the 15th if the Marathon had been on the 12th or 16th or any date besides the 15th?

I don't agree with you at all by the way. I think the event was the target. If you are going to use a symbolic date you also choose a more symbolic target. US Anti-govt types in the past have hit gov't type targets. These guys instead chose a target the same way jihadist types do, a public event in a public place and civilians....

I didn't say the marathon wasn't the target, I'm saying the marathon IN Boston, on this day, was the target...

And you would be wrong... it wasn't anti-gov't types.

**MeanGreenStompa**

CptJake wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
CptJake wrote:
MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Tax Day, Patriot's Day in Mass, Boston home of revolution and the Tea Party.

All adds up to a statement, if you were looking for patterns in the chaos.

So then you do NOT think the Boston Marathon was the target. Interesting. What do you think they would have hit on the 15th if the Marathon had been on the 12th or 16th or any date besides the 15th?

I don't agree with you at all by the way. I think the event was the target. If you are going to use a symbolic date you also choose a more symbolic target. US Anti-govt types in the past have hit gov't type targets. These guys instead chose a target the same way jihadist types do, a public event in a public place and civilians....

I didn't say the marathon wasn't the target, I'm saying the marathon IN Boston, on this day, was the target...

And you would be wrong... it wasn't anti-gov't types.

So, Chechen terrorists are pro-government types?

Whatever, claim your victory chief. Have a fething cookie.

**Seaward**

It'll be interesting to see if this has any effect on the immigration debate.