MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Tax Day, Patriot's Day in Mass, Boston home of revolution and the Tea Party.

All adds up to a statement, if you were looking for patterns in the chaos.

So then you do NOT think the Boston Marathon was the target. Interesting. What do you think they would have hit on the 15th if the Marathon had been on the 12th or 16th or any date besides the 15th?

I don't agree with you at all by the way. I think the event was the target. If you are going to use a symbolic date you also choose a more symbolic target. US Anti-govt types in the past have hit gov't type targets. These guys instead chose a target the same way jihadist types do, a public event in a public place and civilians....

I didn't say the marathon wasn't the target, I'm saying the marathon IN Boston, on this day, was the target...

And you would be wrong... it wasn't anti-gov't types.

So, Chechen terrorists are pro-government types?

Whatever, claim your victory chief. Have a fething cookie.

 Seaward wrote:
It'll be interesting to see if this has any effect on the immigration debate.

 CptJake wrote:
It shouldn't. They came in legally which isn't the issue with the immigration debate.

 Frazzled wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:

 CptJake wrote:

 MeanGreenStompa wrote:
Tax Day, Patriot's Day in Mass, Boston home of revolution and the Tea Party.

All adds up to a statement, if you were looking for patterns in the chaos.

So then you do NOT think the Boston Marathon was the target. Interesting. What do you think they would have hit on the 15th if the Marathon had been on the 12th or 16th or any date besides the 15th?

I don't agree with you at all by the way. I think the event was the target. If you are going to use a symbolic date you also choose a more symbolic target. US Anti-govt types in the past have hit gov't type targets. These guys instead chose a target the same way jihadist types do, a public event in a public place and civilians....

I didn't say the marathon wasn't the target, I'm saying the marathon IN Boston, on this day, was the target...

And you would be wrong... it wasn't anti-gov't types.

So, Chechen terrorists are pro-government types?

Whatever, claim your victory chief. Have a fething cookie.

No Chechen terrorists are jihadist insurrectionists. They have been fighting the Russians since Ivan the Terrible.
These are the same guys that took over the elementary school, wired it up with bombs and slaughtered a bunch of them, as well as the ones who attacked the ballet theater.

 Seaward wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
It shouldn't. They came in legally which isn't the issue with the immigration debate.

Perhaps it should be.

Might be time to turn on the No Vacancy light.

 Seaward wrote:

 CptJake wrote:
It shouldn't. They came in legally which isn't the issue with the immigration debate.

Perhaps it should be.

Might be time to turn on the No Vacancy light.

 Frazzled wrote:
No, Chechen terrorists are jihadist insurrectionists. They have been fighting the Russians since Ivan the Terrible.
These are the same guys that took over the elementary school, wired it up with bombs and slaughtered a bunch of them, as well as the ones who attacked the ballet theater.

 Seaward wrote:
Perhaps it should be.

Might be time to turn on the No Vacancy light.

 Minx wrote:
How would that help? Terrorists don't care about those rules.

 Frazzled wrote:

No, Chechen terrorists are jihadist insurrectionists. They have been fighting the Russians since Ivan the Terrible.
These are the same guys that took over the elementary school, wired it up with bombs and slaughtered a bunch of them, as well as the ones who attacked the ballet theater.

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 Frazzled wrote:

No, Chechen terrorists are jihadist insurrectionists. They have been fighting the Russians since Ivan the Terrible.
These are the same guys that took over the elementary school, wired it up with bombs and slaughtered a bunch of them, as well as the ones who attacked the ballet theater.

Um, frazz, actually it was the Russians that did the slaughtering in those instances, IIRC. The Chechens tried to take hostages, forgetting the Russians don't worry about killing their own people to make a point, That elementary school (assuming it's the one I'm thinking of) got run over with Tanks to make sure the rebels were dead, the children were simply 'collateral damage'.


What strikes me as odd is based on what we know about the two brothers that supposedly carried this out is that they REALLY do not fit the profile. Successful, lived in the US for more than a decade, the older brother was a tryout for the US Olympic boxing team and the younger had just received a scholarship from Cambridge to study as an engineer, The younger is 19 and still on the loose, the older is 26 and was shot dead by police.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Um, frazz, actually it was the Russians that did the slaughtering in those instances, IIRC. The Chechens tried to take hostages, forgetting the Russians don't worry about killing their own people to make a point, That elementary school (assuming it's the one I'm thinking of) got run over with Tanks to make sure the rebels were dead, the children were simply 'collateral damage'.

 djones520 wrote:

Which just goes to show how scary the brainwashing can be...

 BaronIveagh wrote:

 djones520 wrote:

Which just goes to show how scary the brainwashing can be...

I'm gonna assume you're joking on this. Ten years is more than enough time for most brain washing to lose a lot of effectiveness. Or are you talking about the Russians brainwashing themselves to not care about human life, which I will agree, can be pretty scary on occasion.

 Eggs wrote:
I was hoping that this wouldn't come down to religious motivation, but it appears on the current information that it could well be. And yet again, innocents are murdered in the name of some fictional god.

Apologies if you are religious in any way, no offence meant, but it's beginning to look like the world would be a much safer place if we just banned all organised religion.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:

Read this- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beslan_school_hostage_crisis
I don't think you can honestly say that it was just the Russians "that did the slaughtering"

 kronk wrote:
Then we'd just kill people based on skin color, or hair color, or eye color, or favorite sports team.

 Eggs wrote:
I was hoping that this wouldn't come down to religious motivation, but it appears on the current information that it could well be. And yet again, innocents are murdered in the name of some fictional god.

Apologies if you are religious in any way, no offence meant, but it's beginning to look like the world would be a much safer place if we just banned all organised religion.

 BaronIveagh wrote:
Might want to read it yourself. T-72 tanks and 9 thermobaric missiles into an enclosed area filled with hostages? And remember that it's Russian numbers. 350 odd hostages were killed, and 200 or so remain missing and unaccounted for. (Because they were incinerated when they were hit with thermometric weapons in an enclosed area, or blown to smithereens either by the tank fire or by the bombs they were wired with detonating for various reasons.)

 BlapBlapBlap wrote:

 Eggs wrote:
I was hoping that this wouldn't come down to religious motivation, but it appears on the current information that it could well be. And yet again, innocents are murdered in the name of some fictional god.

Apologies if you are religious in any way, no offence meant, but it's beginning to look like the world would be a much safer place if we just banned all organised religion.

"No offense"

*says organized religion is terrible for the world*

I'm atheist, but that's just a stupid contradiction.

 Dreadclaw69 wrote:
People with malicious intent generally don't need a reason to kill others, religion is just a nice fig leaf that gives them some justification for their actions.

 Eggs wrote:

How is it a contradiction?

 Eggs wrote:
Hasn't organized religion been at the root of pretty much every war for the last two thousand years?

 Eggs wrote:
a much safer place if we just banned all organised religion.

Bloomberg News reporter Asjylyn Loder has told BBC World Service radio that she spoke to Chris Bauman, the bother of Jeff Bauman - who identified one of the suspects after having both his legs amputated below the knee after Monday's bomb attack.

Chris said that when Jeff woke up from anaesthesia after surgery he asked for a pen and paper and wrote down that he had seen the guy and that they showed the note to the FBI and that he was able to give a description of the man. He was waiting for his girlfriend and he saw this man set this bag down and he looked him right in the eyes and two and a half minutes later the bag exploded.

 reds8n wrote:


.. Pat Robertson rails against the evils of D&D, Millwall soccer fans rioting, Maggie T. divides the nation and the threat of nuclear war from a communist state.

. whose idea was this 80s revival anyway ?

.. .. oh god, Dallas is back on the TV too isn't it ?

 reds8n wrote:

Bloomberg News reporter Asjylyn Loder has told BBC World Service radio that she spoke to Chris Bauman, the bother of Jeff Bauman - who identified one of the suspects after having both his legs amputated below the knee after Monday's bomb attack.

Chris said that when Jeff woke up from anaesthesia after surgery he asked for a pen and paper and wrote down that he had seen the guy and that they showed the note to the FBI and that he was able to give a description of the man. He was waiting for his girlfriend and he saw this man set this bag down and he looked him right in the eyes and two and a half minutes later the bag exploded.

more
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-04-19/boston-bombing-victim-in-iconic-photo-helped-identify-attackers.html

wow. Fair play to him

p until all hell broke loose late last night in the greater Boston area, Bloomberg had staked a claim to finding one of the most interesting twists in the larger story around the marathon bombing: 27-year-old Jeff Bauman, upon waking up from surgery after losing both of his legs to the blast, provided a description of one of the two men believed to be behind the bombings. It was that description, his brother says, that helped federal investigators crack the case wide open:
Just before 3 p.m. on April 15, Bauman was waiting among the crowd for his girlfriend to cross the finish line at the Boston Marathon. A man wearing a cap, sunglasses and a black jacket over a hooded sweatshirt looked at Jeff, 27, and dropped a bag at his feet, his brother, Chris Bauman, said in an interview.
Two and a half minutes later, the bag exploded, tearing Jeff’s legs apart. ... He lost both legs below the knee. "He woke up under so much drugs, asked for a paper and pen and wrote, ‘bag, saw the guy, looked right at me'," Chris Bauman said yesterday in an interview. ...
While still in intensive care, Jeff Bauman gave the FBI a description of the man he saw, his brother said. Bauman’s information helped investigators narrow down whom to look for in hours of video of the attack, he said.
Like the rest of the Internet, I want that story to be true. But it's worth noting that a close reading makes it clear that this is Chris Bauman's version of events, not his brother's and certainly not the FBI's, which declined to comment on the story. Jeff Bauman's description could have been what broke open the case. It also may not have. We can't know for sure without hearing from the FBI, and they're a little busy at the moment. Still, given Jeff Bauman's location at the time of the blast, and what we now know about the suspects, his brother's version certainly appears possible and maybe even likely.
Assuming it is accurate, it makes for a truly amazing story, all the more so because it involves a chain of events that can be tracked through newspaper clippings back nearly a decade to 2004, when we first met Carlos Arredondo, the man who rushed to Bauman's aid Monday. Arredondo, for those who aren't familiar with his painful past, lost one of his sons in the Iraq War. When the Marines came to tell him, he was so overcome with grief he set himself on fire inside their van, in the process becoming "one of the iconic images of the Iraq war," in the words of the Washington Post. On Monday, he was cast in a different iconic image:



(Quick note: There's a little confusion given Bloomberg's use of "yesterday" and the fact the story was originally published late Thursday. But I spoke with one of the reporters who wrote the story, Esmé E. Deprez, and she explained to me late last night that the interview indeed happened Thursday after the FBI presser.)

 reds8n wrote:

...Pat Robertson rails against the evils of D&D...