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@GT: Agreed. While I suspect the running-shootout-with-cops bit is likely accurate, the evidence directly tying them to the bombing itself (Their presence and the drugged-up "eyewitness" description) is fairly tenous imo at this point, and Baron has very well addressed the other points and why they are flimsy.
If I were a cop at this point, I would arrest them, but if I were a prosecuting attorney I wouldn't dare formally press charges at this point in time.
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Imagine the feeling when you position your tanks, engines idling, landing gear deployed for a low profile, with firing solutions along a key bottleneck. Then some fether lands a dreadnought behind them in a giant heat shielded coke can.
Oh, not pressing charges for that. It just seems (to me at l;east) that prosecutions tend to want to submit all the charges on an individual at once, rather than charge him now for the shootout and then charge him later for the bombings if the evidence is strong enough later.
Imagine the feeling when you position your tanks, engines idling, landing gear deployed for a low profile, with firing solutions along a key bottleneck. Then some fether lands a dreadnought behind them in a giant heat shielded coke can.
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I think the whole advising people of their so called Miranda rights is also little more than protocol, because anyone who's watched any sort of cop show/movie knows what your Miranda rights are.
And there is a difference between being informed of your right and still having it. You don't not have a right until you have been officially informed by a LEO that you have them.
A guy can lawyer up before he's been read his rights.
Now you could suspend someone's Miranda rights but that is different to not reading them to him.
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darkPrince010 wrote: Oh, not pressing charges for that. It just seems (to me at l;east) that prosecutions tend to want to submit all the charges on an individual at once, rather than charge him now for the shootout and then charge him later for the bombings if the evidence is strong enough later.
Depends, if they are still collecting evidence for one set of charges and have all they need for another they will file charges for one crime. If for nothing more than to keep the criminal in custody while they continue to gather evidence.
Its like having a murder suspect that you decide to arrest for drug charges or other outstanding warrants.
It actually makes more sense to get him charged for the shootout now. It buys time for the bombing investigation as the suspect is in custody and not going anywhere.
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Of course everything is subject to the actual trial. However, this is not a coutroom and does not require a chain of custody or rules of evidence.
At worst they can ignore the bombing and go for murder based on the carjacking and subsequent running gun battle alone (commission of attempted murder with aggrevated factor; police office while in the commision of a felony). Plus charges for carjacking, kidnapping, improvised explosives, and of course, resisting arrest.
Even under your best scenario the surviving brother is a dead man walking.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
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darkPrince010 wrote: @GT: Agreed. While I suspect the running-shootout-with-cops bit is likely accurate, the evidence directly tying them to the bombing itself (Their presence and the drugged-up "eyewitness" description) is fairly tenous imo at this point, and Baron has very well addressed the other points and why they are flimsy.
If I were a cop at this point, I would arrest them, but if I were a prosecuting attorney I wouldn't dare formally press charges at this point in time.
The only evidence we the public know about is what little the Fed's have released to the media in an effort to apprehend these suspects.
Yes, we've seen a few photos of the suspects themselves. We've seen a couple shots of the bomb fragments.
We have not been told even a bare fraction of the total evidence that's been gathered because;
a) it's still incomplete/being tested for proper analysis because unlike "CSI seconds", this crap in reality takes weeks to get results on!
b) it would endanger the trial process if everything is leaked beforehand!
So for all we know, the FBI/ATF/Boston Forensic teams could very likely have fingerprints linking the boys, additional video showing them physically placing the backpacks at the confirmed detonation sites, possible DNA... Who knows! The point is, none of this is going to become public knowledge until it's revealed at trial!
I'm fairly sure the federal prosecuting team has not only a mountain of evidence to shift through, but is also much more aware of the likely guilt of this surviving bomber since they do have full access to everything we can't know.
Experiment 626 wrote: The only evidence we the public know about is what little the Fed's have released to the media in an effort to apprehend these suspects.
Yes, we've seen a few photos of the suspects themselves. We've seen a couple shots of the bomb fragments.
We have not been told even a bare fraction of the total evidence that's been gathered because;
a) it's still incomplete/being tested for proper analysis because unlike "CSI seconds", this crap in reality takes weeks to get results on!
b) it would endanger the trial process if everything is leaked beforehand!
So for all we know, the FBI/ATF/Boston Forensic teams could very likely have fingerprints linking the boys, additional video showing them physically placing the backpacks at the confirmed detonation sites, possible DNA... Who knows! The point is, none of this is going to become public knowledge until it's revealed at trial!
I'm fairly sure the federal prosecuting team has not only a mountain of evidence to shift through, but is also much more aware of the likely guilt of this surviving bomber since they do have full access to everything we can't know.
Yup. You don't reveal all your cards before you go to trial, and you don't want the defense lawyers to claim that its impossible to get a fair trial because the evidence was leaked ahead of time.
darkPrince010 wrote: @GT: Agreed. While I suspect the running-shootout-with-cops bit is likely accurate, the evidence directly tying them to the bombing itself (Their presence and the drugged-up "eyewitness" description) is fairly tenous imo at this point, and Baron has very well addressed the other points and why they are flimsy.
If I were a cop at this point, I would arrest them, but if I were a prosecuting attorney I wouldn't dare formally press charges at this point in time.
Its not tenuous once the the chain of evidence follows through and it will be presented properly in court.
Eye witness will identify him in court as being there and dropping the backpack.
Pictures will show backpack go boom. Pictures will corraborate he was there
Proper chain of custody will be established on the pictures.
supporting evidence in the form of the bomb making equipment and/or other bombs there of the same make and material will seal the deal with a kiss.
-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
I don't think that the surviving bomber is going to be feeling too guilty about what he did. He reputedly went to a few parties with his friends in the days after the bombing.
darkPrince010 wrote: @GT: Agreed. While I suspect the running-shootout-with-cops bit is likely accurate, the evidence directly tying them to the bombing itself (Their presence and the drugged-up "eyewitness" description) is fairly tenous imo at this point, and Baron has very well addressed the other points and why they are flimsy.
If I were a cop at this point, I would arrest them, but if I were a prosecuting attorney I wouldn't dare formally press charges at this point in time.
The only evidence we the public know about is what little the Fed's have released to the media in an effort to apprehend these suspects.
Yes, we've seen a few photos of the suspects themselves. We've seen a couple shots of the bomb fragments.
We have not been told even a bare fraction of the total evidence that's been gathered because;
a) it's still incomplete/being tested for proper analysis because unlike "CSI seconds", this crap in reality takes weeks to get results on!
b) it would endanger the trial process if everything is leaked beforehand!
So for all we know, the FBI/ATF/Boston Forensic teams could very likely have fingerprints linking the boys, additional video showing them physically placing the backpacks at the confirmed detonation sites, possible DNA... Who knows! The point is, none of this is going to become public knowledge until it's revealed at trial!
I'm fairly sure the federal prosecuting team has not only a mountain of evidence to shift through, but is also much more aware of the likely guilt of this surviving bomber since they do have full access to everything we can't know.
Thats not correct. We have at least two eye witnesses, pictures from public locales, and scanner reports.
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darkPrince010 wrote: @GT: Agreed. While I suspect the running-shootout-with-cops bit is likely accurate, the evidence directly tying them to the bombing itself (Their presence and the drugged-up "eyewitness" description) is fairly tenous imo at this point, and Baron has very well addressed the other points and why they are flimsy.
If I were a cop at this point, I would arrest them, but if I were a prosecuting attorney I wouldn't dare formally press charges at this point in time.
Its not tenuous once the the chain of evidence follows through and it will be presented properly in court.
Eye witness will identify him in court as being there and dropping the backpack.
Pictures will show backpack go boom. Pictures will corraborate he was there
Proper chain of custody will be established on the pictures.
supporting evidence in the form of the bomb making equipment and/or other bombs there of the same make and material will seal the deal with a kiss.
Except the witnesses we know about *didn't* see him with the package. They saw his brother.
The pictures (we know of) do place him at the scene.
If that' your idea of how justice works, I can point you to some former US armed services members who killed far more innocent civilians than this and were actually found guilty. The most they served was four years.
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Being party to the crime is just as bad as actually committing the crime itself.
2 guys rob a house. One of them shoots and kills an occupant, the other just steals stuff. Both are guilty of murder.
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darkPrince010 wrote: @GT: Agreed. While I suspect the running-shootout-with-cops bit is likely accurate, the evidence directly tying them to the bombing itself (Their presence and the drugged-up "eyewitness" description) is fairly tenous imo at this point, and Baron has very well addressed the other points and why they are flimsy.
If I were a cop at this point, I would arrest them, but if I were a prosecuting attorney I wouldn't dare formally press charges at this point in time.
Its not tenuous once the the chain of evidence follows through and it will be presented properly in court. Eye witness will identify him in court as being there and dropping the backpack. Pictures will show backpack go boom. Pictures will corraborate he was there Proper chain of custody will be established on the pictures.
supporting evidence in the form of the bomb making equipment and/or other bombs there of the same make and material will seal the deal with a kiss.
Except the witnesses we know about *didn't* see him with the package. They saw his brother.
The pictures (we know of) do place him at the scene.
If that' your idea of how justice works, I can point you to some former US armed services members who killed far more innocent civilians than this and were actually found guilty. The most they served was four years.
Its a conspiracy and they were joint actors. If they peg one brother with the crime the other goes down too. EDIT: already ninjaed!
Additionally back to the easy one, there's no way out of that one. carjacking, and kidnapping are big boy felonies. shooting at the someone else while in furtherance of that is a two pronger and will get you capital murder in most jurisdictions. if the people you are shooting at are cops, thats a further extenuating circumstance raising the standard.
If it were Texas it would be fast tracked to needle time as there is massively clear evidence for the above. Kidnappee. evidence in the vehicle. gun battle with police (police) physical evidence of gun battle - spent casings, THINGS THAT WENT BOOM. etc. etc. You could try this puppy in an hour once the jury was picked.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
Well....the younger brother almost opted out from a flashbang fragment to the back of the neck.....its not like some LEO were having serious thoughts of a mafia style hit.....which I doubt since its only one entry wound of some type....
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I didn't see this posted yet so I thought I'd share. I know some of you distain Fox news but I think you'll survive this link because it isn't Hannity/Beck at the other end.
Yes, that person is TEACHING college students and likely injecting her personal beliefs into her classes as so many do. I know the nutjobs who taught at the community college I attended did. Anyway, Frazzled previously a summation that dovetails nicely into why the force used was completely appropriate.
Frazzled wrote: 1. pics of them at the bombing shortly before it occurred.
2. an eye witness at the bombing identifying one as dropping the backpack that went off.
3. incriminating call and conversation with the person who's vehicle they hijacked (who managed to escape).
4. a running gun battle with the police where they used a grenade, pipe bomb, and tried to use a pressure cooker bomb.
5. Discovery of multiple IEDs at their residence?
Dude, if I am ever on trial I want you on the jury.
On the topic of Miranda, there seems to be differing opinions here on Dakka. Whembly posted an interesting article:
I have a video that brings a salient point of view to the debate. Even if you disagree with his opinion, I think you'll appreciate the clarity and thoughtfulness in this video.
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Must have been pretty close to the flashbang. Never heard of shrapnel wounds from them before.
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Well I thnk if I remmber correctly he was in a boat...the other...well...remember that one thread awhile back on LEO with fire discipline...you remember...15rounds and like only three hits....
He won't get a fair trial in federal court since some senators on both sides called him a enemy combatant.
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The suspect is not going to be tried as enemy combatant... I'm okay with this...
But, he's now being charged with the federal "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?? Erm... wat? Did he have nukes or bio weapons??
TBone the wiener dog is on antibionics right now. As a result his normal Kiloton strength fart bombs have been elevated to 20 megaton wiener fart of mass destruction. Can clear a populated area in 12 seconds.
Grey Templar wrote: Being party to the crime is just as bad as actually committing the crime itself.
2 guys rob a house. One of them shoots and kills an occupant, the other just steals stuff. Both are guilty of murder.
True. (thought getting convictions on that can be tricky if one's a kid).
However, I can also say at this point that his defense can already make several good arguments.
That he cannot get a fair trial due to the media coverage of the event.
That he continued to be denied his rights after the apparent threat to public safety was over.
Edit:
Any explosive device can be a Weapon of Mass Destruction under the law.
No he wasn't but thats irrelevant as there were no searches involved. No fruit of a bad search to despoil.
You'll have to do a hell of lot better than that counselor.
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-"Wait a minute.....who is that Frazz is talking to in the gallery? Hmmm something is going on here.....Oh.... it seems there is some dispute over video taping of some sort......Frazz is really upset now..........wait a minute......whats he go there.......is it? Can it be?....Frazz has just unleashed his hidden weiner dog from his mini bag, while quoting shakespeares "Let slip the dogs the war!!" GG
-"Don't mind Frazzled. He's just Dakka's crazy old dude locked in the attic. He's harmless. Mostly."
-TBone the Magnificent 1999-2014, Long Live the King!
The suspect is not going to be tried as enemy combatant... I'm okay with this...
But, he's now being charged with the federal "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?? Erm... wat? Did he have nukes or bio weapons??
TBone the wiener dog is on antibionics right now. As a result his normal Kiloton strength fart bombs have been elevated to 20 megaton wiener fart of mass destruction. Can clear a populated area in 12 seconds.
Um... woah... that's knarly:
So... are the Feds really saying that those bombs are considered "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?
Frazz...your saying that Tbone can play and win with no mercy in Fart Games eh?
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The suspect is not going to be tried as enemy combatant... I'm okay with this...
But, he's now being charged with the federal "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?? Erm... wat? Did he have nukes or bio weapons??
TBone the wiener dog is on antibionics right now. As a result his normal Kiloton strength fart bombs have been elevated to 20 megaton wiener fart of mass destruction. Can clear a populated area in 12 seconds.
Um... woah... that's knarly:
So... are the Feds really saying that those bombs are considered "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?
Any type of explosive device is considered a WMD.
Its only politically that a WMD refers to nukes and bioweapons.
Grey Templar wrote: Being party to the crime is just as bad as actually committing the crime itself.
2 guys rob a house. One of them shoots and kills an occupant, the other just steals stuff. Both are guilty of murder.
True. (thought getting convictions on that can be tricky if one's a kid).
However, I can also say at this point that his defense can already make several good arguments.
That he cannot get a fair trial due to the media coverage of the event.
That he continued to be denied his rights after the apparent threat to public safety was over.
Edit:
Any explosive device can be a Weapon of Mass Destruction under the law.
We need a law saying that crimes of a certain high profile can't claim the trial is tainted. Otherwise some crimes could never go to court at all. Someone could sneak in a nuke and blow up New York and get away with it with that kind of claim.
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For the purposes of US Criminal law concerning terrorism,[28] weapons of mass destruction are defined as:
any destructive device defined as any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas bomb, grenade, rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces, missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, mine, or device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses[29]
any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors
any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector
any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life[30]
The Federal Bureau of Investigation's definition is similar to that presented above from the terrorism statute:[31]
any explosive or incendiary device, as defined in Title 18 USC, Section 921: bomb, grenade, rocket, missile, mine, or other device with a charge of more than four ounces
any weapon designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals or their precursors
any weapon involving a disease organism
any weapon designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life
any device or weapon designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury by causing a malfunction of or destruction of an aircraft or other vehicle that carries humans or of an aircraft or other vehicle whose malfunction or destruction may cause said aircraft or other vehicle to cause death or serious bodily injury to humans who may be within range of the vector in its course of travel or the travel of its debris.
Indictments and convictions for possession and use of WMD such as truck bombs,[32] pipe bombs,[33] shoe bombs,[34] cactus needles coated with botulin toxin,[35] etc. have been obtained under 18 USC 2332a.
The Washington Post reported on 30 March 2006: "Jurors asked the judge in the death penalty trial of Zacarias Moussaoui today to define the term 'weapons of mass destruction' and were told it includes airplanes used as missiles". Moussaoui was indicted and tried for the use of airplanes as WMD.
The suspect is not going to be tried as enemy combatant... I'm okay with this...
But, he's now being charged with the federal "Weapons of Mass Destruction"?? Erm... wat? Did he have nukes or bio weapons??
Good, I'm glad he's not being treated as an enemy combatant.
Concerning the weapons of mass destruction there is a difference between civilian and state definitions. I linked to it in the other locked thread, but I'll repeat it here;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weapon_of_mass_destruction
For the purposes of US Criminal law concerning terrorism,[28] weapons of mass destruction are defined as:
any destructive device defined as any explosive, incendiary, or poison gas bomb, grenade, rocket having a propellant charge of more than four ounces, missile having an explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, mine, or device similar to any of the devices described in the preceding clauses[29]
any weapon that is designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals, or their precursors
any weapon involving a biological agent, toxin, or vector
any weapon that is designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life[30]
The Federal Bureau of Investigation's definition is similar to that presented above from the terrorism statute:[31]
any explosive or incendiary device, as defined in Title 18 USC, Section 921: bomb, grenade, rocket, missile, mine, or other device with a charge of more than four ounces any weapon designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals or their precursors
any weapon involving a disease organism
any weapon designed to release radiation or radioactivity at a level dangerous to human life
any device or weapon designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury by causing a malfunction of or destruction of an aircraft or other vehicle that carries humans or of an aircraft or other vehicle whose malfunction or destruction may cause said aircraft or other vehicle to cause death or serious bodily injury to humans who may be within range of the vector in its course of travel or the travel of its debris.
Indictments and convictions for possession and use of WMD such as truck bombs,[32] pipe bombs,[33] shoe bombs,[34] cactus needles coated with botulin toxin,[35] etc. have been obtained under 18 USC 2332a.
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Bah!! Ninja'd while working on my Honey-Do list
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any weapon designed or intended to cause death or serious bodily injury through the release, dissemination, or impact of toxic or poisonous chemicals or their precursors
Look out Frazz, T-bone may indeed qualify.
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