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Jihadin wrote: Its funny how military gear gets thrown into the thought process of a conspiracy theory. Its like Fort Polk, LA is the training grounds for thousands of UN troops for deployment in the the US. Its like I have the same gear (some) that the Navy Seals have access to via US Cav, Ranger Joe, and Cothing and Sales on posts. If you are "Boots on Ground" majority of everyone have access to everything that can be equipped on one's body. Most backpacks in the military are from Camelback. If someone mention "assualtpack" they're talking about a backpack
And yet, if I paint a French tank in UN markings and drive it down the street, the only ones that notice are the police. (Who makes sure my papers are in order and that I have the right treds on to be road legal).
And further, most people have no clue. (and I'm sure some of you will insist there is irony in that statement, but it's actually dead serious.)
Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Frazzled wrote: Agreed. There is no legimitate purpose to more than three pressure cookers. Won't someone please think of the children!
Honestly, why does anyone need a pressure cooker in the first place? Why can't they just use and oven, or a grill? The general populace has no legitimate need for them. We should ensure their only able to get into the hands of highly trained chefs.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Frazzled wrote: Agreed. There is no legimitate purpose to more than three pressure cookers. Won't someone please think of the children!
Honestly, why does anyone need a pressure cooker in the first place? Why can't they just use and oven, or a grill? The general populace has no legitimate need for them. We should ensure their only able to get into the hands of highly trained chefs.
Its the money grubbing NPA (National Pressurecooker Association) and its corporate masters that stop common sense legislation, desired by a majority of the people, from being put into place.
99.9% of Wiener Dogs are in favor of this. The NCA(National Cat Association) refused to comment.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
I appreciate , and agree, that a person is innocent until proven guilty.
And that's why we have a trial, evidence is presented and so on... kinda like a process or something which helps people get their due, or something equally ridiculous.
What tickles me most is that the same people yelling about this then disregard the same critical faculties they implore, nay beseech, others to use and instantly support the most ludicrous theories at the drop of a tinfoil hat.
.. people eh ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
reds8n wrote: What tickles me most is that the same people yelling about this then disregard the same critical faculties they implore, nay beseech, others to use and instantly support the most ludicrous theories at the drop of a tinfoil hat.
.. people eh ?
People, can't live with them, can't or without them hehe
On a rather halarious yet epic-facepalm note, it seems our new 'Chief Idiot in Waiting' has discovered the root causes of terrorisim itself:
Yep, that's right! Terrorists are just lonely, excluded people and it's society's fault for excluding them!
So the next time you see a lonely excluded terrorist, go give them a big hug and make them feel included in our society! (note: country may still explode around you, despite trying to make terrorists feel included & welcomed by society...)
This so-called theory of corse, has been debunked by pretty every think-tank & intel angency as being nothing but junk science.
As the surviving brother has communicated to Federal investigators, he and his brother were motivated by religious reasons as a main factor for planning and carrying out the bombings.
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When we compare us to the rest of the world we are hardly exclusive.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Leprous retards in tinfoil hats aside it's also highly amusing that the Daily Mail is calling for sanity and order for once... and is in fact in the right this time. Considering their reputation with our U.K. dakkanauts any way.
I beg of you sarge let me lead the charge when the battle lines are drawn
Lemme at least leave a good hoof beat they'll remember loud and long
Well, if this is true, it sounds like a confession. Just without a lawyer present. I guess we'll see how this plays out in the court.
On the up side, if this is true, he really was a domestic terrorist with no training that decided to attack the US. Seems to have had nothing to do with religion or organized terror and they simply 'self radicalized'.
I was off on his motive though.
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A confession doesn't require a lawyer present IIRC. Plus there were definitely lawyers present as the article clearly states.
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Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Well, if this is true, it sounds like a confession. Just without a lawyer present.
" Three defense lawyers, along with two federal prosecutors, joined Tsarnaev for the court session at his hospital bed, where the suspect is recuperating from gunshot wounds to the head, neck, legs and hands, according to a transcript provided by the court.
Federal Magistrate Judge Marianne B. Bowler advised Tsarnaev of his rights and the charges against him, the transcript said.
“How are you feeling?” a doctor, identified as Dr. Odom, asked. “Are you able to answer some questions?” Tsarnaev “nods affirmatively,’’ said the transcript, which added that the only word he spoke during the hearing was “no,” when asked whether he could afford a lawyer. William Fick, one of the defense lawyers, said he would reserve questions about bail and other matters, according to the transcript. The judge then ended the session, saying she found the defendant “alert, mentally competent, and lucid.”
article says he had 3 defense lawyers there ?
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
reds8n wrote: article says he had 3 defense lawyers there ?
I know in the UK that's not atypical - barrister, senior solicitor and junior solicitor. In the US his defense team might have different lawyers specialising in different areas depending on what grounds they feel they can best contest the charges e.g. criminal lawyer, constitutional lawyer and a junior partner.
I'm sure one of the more knowledgeable Dakka members could clarify this though.
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Please read again. They were present at his hearing, not his interrogation .
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe an ongoing investigation, said Dzhokhar and his older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed by police as the two attempted to avoid capture, do not appear to have been directed by a foreign terrorist organization.
Rather, the officials said, the evidence so far suggests they were “self-radicalized” through Internet sites and U.S. actions in the Muslim world. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has specifically cited the U.S. war in Iraq, which ended in December 2011 with the removal of the last American forces, and the war in Afghanistan, where President Obama plans to end combat operations by the end of 2014.
That was not from the court transcripts or it would not have been anonymous.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
Experiment 626 wrote: On a rather halarious yet epic-facepalm note, it seems our new 'Chief Idiot in Waiting' has discovered the root causes of terrorisim itself:
Yep, that's right! Terrorists are just lonely, excluded people and it's society's fault for excluding them!
So the next time you see a lonely excluded terrorist, go give them a big hug and make them feel included in our society! (note: country may still explode around you, despite trying to make terrorists feel included & welcomed by society...)
This so-called theory of corse, has been debunked by pretty every think-tank & intel angency as being nothing but junk science.
As the surviving brother has communicated to Federal investigators, he and his brother were motivated by religious reasons as a main factor for planning and carrying out the bombings.
For a reasonably intelligent person to blame society almost exclusively for any act of terrorism is shocking, and very myopic to say the least.
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Which makes no difference, having or not having a lawyer present doesn't change the validity of what someone says during an interrogation.
Otherwise, the words of someone who has not lawyered up would be invalid. Plus his Miranda rights were suspended anyway.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
Again, that's no longer the case. Since Miranda does now apply, anything they got out of him thus is invalid (while the government held off reading him his rights, his rights still did apply, since they were not revoked). Though if he is confessing, I'm curious the reason.
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Fate is in heaven, armor is on the chest, accomplishment is in the feet. - Nagao Kagetora
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He may just be using it as a venue for venting his beliefs.
Self-proclaimed evil Cat-person. Dues Ex Felines
Cato Sicarius, after force feeding Captain Ventris a copy of the Codex Astartes for having the audacity to play Deathwatch, chokes to death on his own D-baggery after finding Calgar assembling his new Eldar army.
BaronIveagh wrote: Please read again. They were present at his hearing, not his interrogation .
The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe an ongoing investigation, said Dzhokhar and his older brother, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, who was killed by police as the two attempted to avoid capture, do not appear to have been directed by a foreign terrorist organization.
Rather, the officials said, the evidence so far suggests they were “self-radicalized” through Internet sites and U.S. actions in the Muslim world. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev has specifically cited the U.S. war in Iraq, which ended in December 2011 with the removal of the last American forces, and the war in Afghanistan, where President Obama plans to end combat operations by the end of 2014.
That was not from the court transcripts or it would not have been anonymous.
It makes no mention whatsoever of lawyers being present or absent from any interrogation.
The anonymous officials aren't quoting solely or even perhaps at all from the court transcripts, but it seems are referencing from the entire investigation thus far.
The poor man really has a stake in the country. The rich man hasn't; he can go away to New Guinea in a yacht. The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly; the rich have always objected to being governed at all
We love our superheroes because they refuse to give up on us. We can analyze them out of existence, kill them, ban them, mock them, and still they return, patiently reminding us of who we are and what we wish we could be.
"the play's the thing wherein I'll catch the conscience of the king,
Imagine the feeling when you position your tanks, engines idling, landing gear deployed for a low profile, with firing solutions along a key bottleneck. Then some fether lands a dreadnought behind them in a giant heat shielded coke can.
Again, that's no longer the case. Since Miranda does now apply, anything they got out of him thus is invalid (while the government held off reading him his rights, his rights still did apply, since they were not revoked). Though if he is confessing, I'm curious the reason.
Presuming the public safety window was in effect, anything he said during it would be admissible regardless of if he had or had not been mirandized.
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Frazzled wrote: Agreed. There is no legimitate purpose to more than three pressure cookers. Won't someone please think of the children!
Honestly, why does anyone need a pressure cooker in the first place? Why can't they just use and oven, or a grill? The general populace has no legitimate need for them. We should ensure their only able to get into the hands of highly trained chefs.
KFC! That's why!
You guys are all idiots, the answer to keep the children safe is to ban marathons.
I'm also trying to figure out what combat the bomber was a part of in order to be declared an "enemy combatant". Was there a crusade on against his family by the FBI? Where's my roll of alfoil gone, my heads cold.
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Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST"
Term "enemy combatant" pretty much says we have insurgents in the US of A
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Manchu - "But so what? The Bible also says the flood destroyed the world. You only need an allegorical boat to tackle an allegorical flood."
Shespits "Anything i see with YOLO has half naked eleventeen year olds Girls. And of course booze and drugs and more half naked elventeen yearolds Girls. O how i wish to YOLO again!"
Rubiksnoob "Next you'll say driving a stick with a Scandinavian supermodel on your lap while ripping a bong impairs your driving. And you know what, I'M NOT GOING TO STOP, YOU FILTHY COMMUNIST"
or 
without them hehe
