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 Sekai wrote:
Wow. Some of those details that are coming out are even worse than what Blood of Kittens wrote. It's crazy how this is turning out!

Aye, this is now a pretty major embarrasment to Romeo. It's doubtful whether if it'll affect his business on a selling-bags-to-individual-gamers level (we're pretty forgiving as a community, and the quality of BF products appears to be very good) but it'll probably hurt his chances of working together with a lot of event organizers in the future.

Good point - I'm guessing future prize/convention support will be due up front, possibly even required to be shipped well in advance.

Of course, this does boil down to a 'he said, she said' thing, but as of right now it sure does seem to lean in one direction.

I suppose there's still Romeo's side to come?

His prize vouchers have always rubbed me a bit anyway.

"Here is a $100 voucher, except its not really a voucher it's a 'buy one get one' kind of deal. So congrats on your win, but unless you give me $100 up front I am not giving you any kind of prize..."

So, is this going to end in a backroom deal so Romeo can save face?

I'm glad I have KR, but to be honest, Romeo has always seemed pretty cool when I talk to him at events, then again, bruce banner is probably pretty easy going most of the time,

I have one battlefoam case, for my landraider, it scratches it, no lie, he told everyone at adepticon in 2012 that "these are lies spread by my competitors."

About the only time he's rubbed me the wrong way. I am interested in his FFG x wing cases, so I hope he doesn't go out of business.

All in all, perhaps a short loss of of sales. But after all the gnashing of teeth about how other companies do worng to their customers, competitors, detractors, and colleagues, I doubt any damage is permanent.

 narceron wrote:
About the only time he's rubbed me the wrong way. I am interested in his FFG x wing cases, so I hope he doesn't go out of business.

Have you looked at the KR X-Wing set? I picked one up in April, and am pretty happy with it thus far.

 gunslingerpro wrote:
All in all, perhaps a short loss of of sales. But after all the gnashing of teeth about how other companies do worng to their customers, competitors, detractors, and colleagues, I doubt any damage is permanent.

Agreed, more damage will have been done to his "face" and PR bubble than his bottom line. If he'd step down or maintained radio silence for a while, it'd blow over all the faster, but he doesnt seem to have that kind of personality.

Well that lot look pretty damning

(assuming the court that eventually handles them allows them in, some is here say but I'm not sure how relevant that is in this case)

After all these Tournament/Convention issues is Battlefoam still welcome at events involving these TOs?

or is it a case of it being so important to get big name vendors (and prize support) that TOs are willing to give them a second chance as on the face of it this sort of behaviour would seem to rapidly reduce the number of events they'd be welcome at

This is the best advertising KR multicase, Sabol Designs, and Outrider Hobbies could ever buy!
Well after all the bait and switch done to several acquaintances, The Foam Wars, and now The Blog Wars...
I will NEVER buy anything from Battlefoam, shame too due to they do produce a quality product

Just finished listening to the 40K radio blog. and yet again 20 miniutes defending them selfs. and saying that all that has been said about threats and everything are all lies.

Plus they spent 10 miniutes in the beginning having a bit of a dig at DSR. by having someone pretend to be a girl on skype.

 cerbrus2 wrote:

Plus they spent 10 miniutes in the beginning having a bit of a dig at DSR. by having someone pretend to be a girl on skype.

Not cool.

Class acts yo.

 cerbrus2 wrote:
Just finished listening to the 40K radio blog. and yet again 20 miniutes defending them selfs. and saying that all that has been said about threats and everything are all lies.

Plus they spent 10 miniutes in the beginning having a bit of a dig at DSR. by having someone pretend to be a girl on skype.

Of course Romeo is going to defend himself, anyone put in this situation, especially when lawyers get involved has to defend his innocence, etc... or else they kinda lose their case

Doesn't look good for Romeo.

Doesn't really matter to me, how this turns out. I'll still buy Battlefoam. I don't have to like the owner, to like the product.

 cerbrus2 wrote:
Plus they spent 10 miniutes in the beginning having a bit of a dig at DSR. by having someone pretend to be a girl on skype.

What's DSR?

 Ouze wrote:

 cerbrus2 wrote:
Plus they spent 10 miniutes in the beginning having a bit of a dig at DSR. by having someone pretend to be a girl on skype.

What's DSR?

Deep Strike Radio

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/530858.page

Deep Strike Radio.

Edit: LOL Ninja'd.

Thanks.

 Sasori wrote:
Doesn't look good for Romeo.

Doesn't really matter to me, how this turns out. I'll still buy Battlefoam. I don't have to like the owner, to like the product.

That's kind of where I'm at. I mean this whole thing is just looking worse and worse for Romeo... But I Really like their Warmachine bags!

 Alfndrate wrote:

 cerbrus2 wrote:
Just finished listening to the 40K radio blog. and yet again 20 miniutes defending them selfs. and saying that all that has been said about threats and everything are all lies.

Plus they spent 10 miniutes in the beginning having a bit of a dig at DSR. by having someone pretend to be a girl on skype.

Of course Romeo is going to defend himself, anyone put in this situation, especially when lawyers get involved has to defend his innocence, etc... or else they kinda lose their case

Most people would just shut the hell up about it. And I can't believe that his lawyer didn't tell him to do exactly that.

And the dig at what happened with DSR is just icing on the donkey-cave cake.

~Eric

Horrible to say, but as a finance guy I never quite understand what the legal side of the house does. Frankly I am waiting for czakk, my new favorite Dakkadakka poster, to explain to me what liablity under SLAPP is and whether or not there are caps on it.

Marcus Scipio wrote:
Horrible to say, but as a finance guy I never quite understand what the legal side of the house does. Frankly I am waiting for czakk, my new favorite Dakkadakka poster, to explain to me what liablity under SLAPP is and whether or not there are caps on it.

http://www.casp.net/california-anti-slapp-first-amendment-law-resources/statutes/c-c-p-section-425-16/

in any action subject to subdivision (b) [the motion to strike], a prevailing defendant on a special motion to strike shall be entitled to recover his or her attorney’s fees and costs.

If the motion to strike the counterclaim is successful then under the antiSLAPP provisions Mr Hayden can recover his legal costs (fees and disbursements) from Mr. Filip. I'm not familiar with how California does things but usually a costs award doesn't cover all legal costs, typically it ranges from 40-60% of what you actually paid.

The pro bono aspect also presents a wrinkle - some jurisdictions don't let lawyers working pro bono recover fees, they can only recover disbursements (because the client hasn't incurred legal fees). [edit]it appears that California does allow fees to be awarded for pro bono work [/edit]

At the end of the day, it's just going to be a lot of wasted money and a damaged reputation. It's gone from some vague allegations posted on a blog with a stupid name to tournament organizers saying things under oath.




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Oh, and Mr. Hayden is trying to have the suit Battle Foam et al filed in Arizona removed from the state court and put into the federal court system. Naming Ms Jane Doe appears to be an attempt to sue Mr. Hayden's wife.

from the filing to move to federal court:

Defendant Nicolas Hayden and ten Doe individuals or entities have been
named in the action.

ten Doe individuals? Apparently this is bigger than initially reported.

I wonder who they are? Maybe the people who filed affidavits against BF?

Possibly. If he went on his podcast and called them all liars, which an above poster said he did (I think), it wouldn't be a stretch

whoa.... now all I need is some popcorn and a place to see the fireworks start.

czakk wrote:

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Oh, and Mr. Hayden is trying to have the suit Battle Foam et al filed in Arizona removed from the state court and put into the federal court system. Naming Ms Jane Doe appears to be an attempt to sue Mr. Hayden's wife.

He's trying to escalate?

Mocking DSR for falling victim to a depressingly common form of fraud is generally pretty douchebaggy, but about on par what I expect from 40k Radio, or as I've taken to dubbing them, "the jackass channel". In fact, General Douchebaggy should be Romeo's new moniker. It works on multiple levels, see.

 Alfndrate wrote:

 cerbrus2 wrote:
Just finished listening to the 40K radio blog. and yet again 20 miniutes defending them selfs. and saying that all that has been said about threats and everything are all lies.

Plus they spent 10 miniutes in the beginning having a bit of a dig at DSR. by having someone pretend to be a girl on skype.

Of course Romeo is going to defend himself, anyone put in this situation, especially when lawyers get involved has to defend his innocence, etc... or else they kinda lose their case

That's what lawyers are for. It's bad form to mouth off about pending legal cases without their express consent, since nothing you're likely to say is going to make your lawyers' job any easier. Especially if you're a notorious hothead like Romeo.

So, reading through those documents, is the battlefoam party actually stating that the damage they incurred to sales is 75k-180k? In that time? I'd love to see what amounts of money they take in on a yearly bases.

It certainly seems high,

but if you think of the sums mini based KS projects are bringing in, and that Battlefoam did seem to be the go-to case company for many of them (as well as sales to individuals) you might just belive it if you thought that companies hearing the allegations would no longer deal with them for future KS projects

of course the biggest mini KS campaign player CMON had stopped partnering with Battlefoam already after CMON said they didn't receive all the cases they'd ordered for Sedition Wars even when it' had been substantially delayed (giving more time than initially expected to supply said cases)

Im not sure how they would of come up with a sum of 2k losses per day, because of a blog post. I think Romeo is a total idiot. but there is nothing wrong with battle foam, and it is one of the best products out there. So I'm not going to cut my nose off to spite my face, just because i disagree with the practices performed by its owner.

I think that the guys at 40K radio are going to end up getting them self's in a lot of hassle. Constantly down putting people on there shows. Stating all sorts of reasons why none of what they have been accused of is true. Now this strikes me as strange as any lawyer no matter how bad they are, would of told Romeo and the rest of his 40k radio presenters to not mention anything with regards to the situation, as anything they say on a public downloadable Podcast will bite them in the backside in a courtroom. And it only takes some one to say something that doesn't match up and its game over.. Instead of this they have ended up threatening B.O.L.S by saying they will make phone calls and get company's like Mantic to stop advertising with them. The whole deal with the DSR guys was just a complete joke. It would not of been to bad if they where funny with it but they where just being idiots and giggling like little girls.