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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 17:33:12
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Loyal Necron Lychguard
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kronk wrote:
K. I'm not seeing it on the GW website, though. Will it be on there later or something? I'm confused.
It's coming out mid month. They'll probably open up preorders after the Eldar release.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 17:34:59
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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2 weeks for the Iyanden book.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 17:36:45
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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I see. Thanks!
/Crisis!
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 17:40:48
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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H.B.M.C. wrote:
People seem to forget that the DA's and BA's are ostensibly Codex Chapters whereas the BTs are not. I don't know why people think the BT's should only get some special rules whilst at the same time think that DA's and BA's need entire Codices to document the simply unending list (/sarcasm) of differences they share to regular Codex Chapters.
While I despise all SM sub-faction books, I think that First Founding should have preferential treatment over some random chapter.
I mean, in a perfect world all Marine Chapters outside of the truly divergent ones (Wolves and a few others) would just be special rules, a few units, and some special characters, but we won't get that, so we get full books.
If GW did what FW did with the Horus Heresy book - Core List, and then a sub-section containing specific rules for Legions, unique units to that Legion, and Special Characters - then Marines would be perfected.
Would be nice. Or traits. Dunno why everyone hated traits.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 18:00:29
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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Traits were a cool idea, they just got abused.
Players would take the "No Drop Pod" hinderance because the Drop Pod wasnt available to anyone outside of ForgeWorld.
I hope they bring them back in some form..I would like tobe able to customize my boys without haveing to default to a specialist codex..
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 18:59:06
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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kronk wrote:K. I'm not seeing it on the GW website, though. Will it be on there later or something? I'm confused.
Seems like printing it in fat bold letters at the start of the first post in the Eldar news&rumour thread is not enough
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 19:00:58
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Long-Range Land Speeder Pilot
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I like the idea so long as the supplements are a fraction of the main codex price. Does anyone know how much the Yanden supplement is?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 19:04:43
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Camouflaged Zero
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stargasm wrote:I like the idea so long as the supplements are a fraction of the main codex price. Does anyone know how much the Yanden supplement is?
Last i heard, the fraction equals one.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 19:18:21
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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Kroothawk wrote: kronk wrote:K. I'm not seeing it on the GW website, though. Will it be on there later or something? I'm confused.
Seems like printing it in fat bold letters at the start of the first post in the Eldar news&rumour thread is not enough 
I don't read anything that isn't at least 18 point font in Times New Roman.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 19:38:12
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Awesome Autarch
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http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/05/28/rumors-space-marines-genestealer-cults-and-forge-world-oh-my/
The plot thickens, yo!
Salt all up in ya face, kid!
Weeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!
But seriously, more rumors and wild speculation in the above article for the so inclined.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 20:09:34
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Swift Swooping Hawk
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Well,
Since Dreamforge has relased the Crusader, GW had better step up their game for the Imperial AND Space Marine players.
I wonder if we will see a different kit for IG and Space Marines?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 21:24:29
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Nasty Nob
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Reecius wrote:http://www.frontlinegaming.org/2013/05/28/rumors-space-marines-genestealer-cults-and-forge-world-oh-my/
What I was told more specifically was that the IP for Genestealer Cults may not actually belong to GW, and that a company patented the idea/IP/models/something like that in the 90′s thinking that GW would buy the rights to the idea. GW did not and as such the idea has sat untouched since then.
As I was told, this patent expires next year….coincidentally right about the time GW plans to release Tyranids! So, GW’s plan as it was related to me, is to try to acquire the IP once the patent is up, or to release Genestealer Cult units under another name.
I think we can safely say that this person has absolutely no idea what they are talking about.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 21:53:47
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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The rumour about a patent is clearly not right (not least as you can't patent this sort of stuff (in the UK anyway)
however it is not impossible that GW did not own the design rights on the genestealer cults ( http://www.copyrightservice.co.uk/protect/p15_design_rights)
GW had a bad habit of using contract staff rather than permanent employees, without giving them clear contacts about who owned what which has lead to them scrambling to get some of them to give up artistic rights which would normally have passed GW (see the chaperhouse case thread)
These design rights usually expire 10 (15 max) years after their first introduction (which could be 1989 or 92), however new genestealer cult stuff was put out in 2004 which would fit a 2014 date.
I don't really belive this rumour, but it's not as implausible as it first seems
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 21:56:40
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Boosting Space Marine Biker
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Yeah that sounds kinda off, what with GW having released genestealer cultist models and rules previously, not to mention their Space Hulk ownership. The rest of that post, although a lovely set of ideas, sounds like personal theory constructed from popular discussions on mini-dexes, legions, cults and Forgeworld, reinforced by the new Iyanden book and recent rumours of the large SM-thingy.
While most of it is perfectly believable and may well happen, anyone reading the forums over the last year or so has probably speculated something similar.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 21:56:48
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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lord_blackfang wrote: H.B.M.C. wrote:
People seem to forget that the DA's and BA's are ostensibly Codex Chapters whereas the BTs are not. I don't know why people think the BT's should only get some special rules whilst at the same time think that DA's and BA's need entire Codices to document the simply unending list (/sarcasm) of differences they share to regular Codex Chapters.
While I despise all SM sub-faction books, I think that First Founding should have preferential treatment over some random chapter.
I mean, in a perfect world all Marine Chapters outside of the truly divergent ones (Wolves and a few others) would just be special rules, a few units, and some special characters, but we won't get that, so we get full books.
If GW did what FW did with the Horus Heresy book - Core List, and then a sub-section containing specific rules for Legions, unique units to that Legion, and Special Characters - then Marines would be perfected.
Would be nice. Or traits. Dunno why everyone hated traits.
I'll start off with the traits: they were bad because people could take lots of goodies and pay for it with non-consequential flaws. If you're not including a Land Raider in the first place, being unable to include a Land Raider isn't a flaw or drawback at all.
On to the nonsense about first founding, and this is probably the fifth or sixth time I've said this: there are no "first founding Chapters". Chapters didn't exist until the second founding. The Black Templars, Crimson Fists and every other second founding Chapter (which includes the Ultramarines, Imperial Fists and the Salamanders) were all part of the Legiones Astartes; attributing the deeds of, for example, the Imperial Fists Legion to the Imperial Fists Chapter alone is incorrect, as the Crimson Fists, Black Templars and Soul Drinkers were all part of the Legion. It's not until the third founding that Chapters that took no part in the Heresy are created. Thus, Codex: Black Templars is, for the purpouses of this argument, just as justified as Codex: Blood Angels or Codex: Space Wolves.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 22:02:44
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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Oh gosh darn it, now I am on the verge of ordering a wraith knight but I forgot about this rumoured SM biggy, guess I will have to wait a bit.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 22:07:54
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Decrepit Dakkanaut
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kronk wrote:I don't read anything that isn't at least 18 point font in Times New Roman.
Next time I add cowbells
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/28 23:34:50
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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AlmightyWalrus wrote:Thus, Codex: Black Templars is, for the purpouses of this argument, just as justified as Codex: Blood Angels or Codex: Space Wolves.
Except Space Wolves had no official successor chapters IIRC. The legion became the chapter.
Other than that, the lore always made it clear that the mantle of each legion is carried by it's direct successor chapter. So while BTs are theoretically on the same genealogy branch as the Imperial Fist, IFs get the nod in terms of seniority.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 01:39:48
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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His Master's Voice wrote: AlmightyWalrus wrote:Thus, Codex: Black Templars is, for the purpouses of this argument, just as justified as Codex: Blood Angels or Codex: Space Wolves.
Except Space Wolves had no official successor chapters IIRC. The legion became the chapter.
Other than that, the lore always made it clear that the mantle of each legion is carried by it's direct successor chapter. So while BTs are theoretically on the same genealogy branch as the Imperial Fist, IFs get the nod in terms of seniority.
space wolves sub chapter WAS the wolf brothers but they were A.) wiped out or B.) went wulfen completely and went after their primarch
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 05:32:42
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Shas'o Commanding the Hunter Kadre
Missouri
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MY EYES! WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS?!
So at any rate, FW and GW are not overlapping models any more as they end of competing with themselves and cannibalizing sales from one another. As such, plans for a plastic Thunderbolt that were in the works were scrapped.
Yeah, that's what I thought. Complete bs in my opinion, they seem to think that everyone who bought a plastic model would have bought a resin one, and that holds about as much truth as the idea that everyone who buys from an independent store or an online retailer would buy directly from GW if they had no other option.
I think something's off, personally. There's no way they made enough money off the FW baneblade that moving it to plastic hurt their sales that much. Some suit probably got upset when they saw how successful that kit and the valkyrie were (possibly the Tau piranha?) and said "feth, we could have made SO MUCH MORE MONEY if all those people paid 3x as much for FW models! End this at once!"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 14:06:11
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Badass "Sister Sin"
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Rumors for you, rumors for me!
So, some more rumors for us to pontificate upon. Perhaps even ruminate over! Other big words about thinking, yes!
So anyway, here’s the scoop. Our source hit me up this morning to let me know some more goodies he or she had been told from their source who works for a certain large miniatures manufacturer in some capacity (sorry to be so vague, just don’t want to lose the lead on good info). This source has proven to be very reliable in the past, telling us about Adeptus Mechanicus at FW before it hit, among others, most of which have turned out to be accurate. Some of what this individual has told us has also turned out to not be accurate, but with rumors it is hard to judge. They could be accurate at one point in time and then plans change, or they could be a version of the truth, etc. All I can say is that I trust this source as it is a person I go way, way back with. That said, these are just rumors after all folks, so salt and all that.
During the course of our conversation, we covered a number of topics, and this is a bit of a summation. For one, I was told that my guesses about possible “mini-dexes” for the Chaos Space Marines to further explore the Legions may in fact be true. What that means I can only speculate on as my source didn’t know anything else. Rules? Fluff? Art? All of the above? None of the above? I can’t say at this point in time, although I fervently hope it means legion specific rules. I think we will learn a lot from the Iyanden Eldar supplement that is coming out in mere days. What I have heard about that book so far is that it is both physical and digital, and that is has rules and fluff specific to Iyanden, which makes sense as GW just invested so much money into producing the Wraithknight, Wraithguard/Blades, Spirit Seer, etc. and woudl want to maximize profit for that release. I think that this book will be a good indication as to the future direction of these “mini-dexes” we’ve been hearing about since before 6th ed hit. We’ve had steady rumors on this topic now for over a year.
Which is a nice segue into our next topic! I was told that Genestealer Cults are indeed in the works. This is a rumor that has been corroborated by another source we have that is also a very trustworthy point of information and as such I am thinking these rumors are looking highly plausible. What I was told more specifically was that the IP for Genestealer Cults may not actually belong to GW, and that a company patented the idea/IP/models/something like that in the 90′s thinking that GW would buy the rights to the idea. GW did not and as such the idea has sat untouched since then.
As I was told, this patent expires next year….coincidentally right about the time GW plans to release Tyranids! So, GW’s plan as it was related to me, is to try to acquire the IP once the patent is up, or to release Genestealer Cult units under another name. That would be pretty cool and an Iyanden like supplement for them would be pretty awesome, IMO. Plus that means the bugs would have access to an entirely new type of build with, if it happens and turns out to be anything like the Genestealer Cults of days past, vehicles and…a mother f#$%(@n Limousine! Yeah buddy, the Magus rolled in style, son! I’f put a gold grille and spinners on mine, of course.
This lead into a talk about the Space Marine giant robot that has been rumored to be on the way. This has been repeated many times now by multiple sources, and seeing as how every army has been getting a giant dude/monster/robot on an oval base, I don’t think this is going to surprise anyone. As Space Marines are far and away the best selling army in any of GW’s game systems, making one of these would be like printing money. As to what it is, what I keep hearing is a “giant Contemptor Dreadnought.”
I asked if he thought GW would port over more FW units directly into the dex like we saw with IG, and he said he thought no. The reason stated is that he was told FW took a major hit on the Baneblade. Apparently it was one of the best, if not the best, selling kits Forgeworld had prior to the superior and cheaper GW plastic kit. The thought process was to introduce FW type kits to GW retail outlets and FLGS’ at a more affordable price point to increase awareness of FW style products. Apparently the idea backfired as it killed sales on the Baneblade. The end result was a major loss for FW’s bottom line with a relatively minor increase to GW’s. I was told as a result of this the acting CEO of FW at the time resigned/was asked to resign. I tried to verify this on Google, but couldn’t find who the acting CEO of FW was when the Baneblade was released. If anyone knows and could verify this, that would be great.
So at any rate, FW and GW are not overlapping models any more as they end of competing with themselves and cannibalizing sales from one another. As such, plans for a plastic Thunderbolt that were in the works were scrapped.
Speculation: if the above is true, that would explain why we have not, and likely will not see plastic T-Hawks, Warhounds, etc. What we are getting are these new, unique models such as the Wraithknight (anyone remember the frequent rumors of a plastic Revenant Titan that were floating around for years?). Could the Storm Raven be what became of the rumored plastic T-Hawk? It does look like a squished T-Hawk and with 3D sculpting on computers these days, I imagine it would be fairly easy to do for one with the appropriate skill-set.
I am of course just guessing here, but it seems very plausible to me that in an effort to not cannibalize their own sales–which makes sense–GW is instead using their ever improving plastic manufacturing capabilities, and predilection for retconning the fluff as needed to introduce new models, to get the best of both worlds. Big, new, relatively affordable plastic kits (compared to FW) that have proven to be popular in both 40K and Fantasy seems like an intelligent compromise. This leaves FW to do their thing, acting as the “Infiniti” to GW’s Nissan in the greater corporate brand. With the new version of Apocalypse rumored on the horizon, and it’s huge popularity upon release, it makes sense to me to make these big kits more accessible to GW’s larger consumer base.
What say you all?
Paste to make it easier. Will also update the first post.
Geeze, Reecius... Wall of text much?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 14:09:31
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Sooooo... Is this News & Rumors? Because I see a whole lot of wishlisting and guesses.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 14:19:59
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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I just wanna know whats next, either get a wraith knight and some other eldar for an ally force or just wait till SM to get their big beasty.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 14:31:02
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Fixture of Dakka
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Someone else also mentionned Dreamforge earlier, and I think if GW has any idea of what is happening in the real world (or even our community), they'd have to have big swinging brass balls to introduce a 140$ (CAD) kit that is in no way as well engineered or poseable as the Leviathan Crusader or the Mortis. Which also happens to be 125$ (CAD) if you are foolish enough to pay MSRP on it.
Or is it me being stubborn and refusing to see GW for what it is?
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 14:37:03
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Once again, this sounds like a wishlist and hearsay from people saying what they think would be cool on the forums. An example being the giant Contemptor, I've heard this mentioned twice before, prefixed with "Know what I think would be cool/ what I want?"
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 14:41:30
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Fixture of Dakka
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True.
Note that we might have a better chance at guessing new releases by looking for the holes in the noise. No one ever wished for a flying guppy, Dino bots or Gundams.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 14:50:59
Subject: Re:Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Slashing Veteran Sword Bretheren
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I want, no, I NEED a 'big contemptor' for my black templars with sword and gun as options, it will make the crusading all the easier.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 16:39:40
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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I am in full agreement with Sidstyler on the FW baneblade thing. There is no way FW was selling that many resin baneblades.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 18:33:17
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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SickSix wrote:There is no way FW was selling that many resin baneblades.
It's not how many of those they sold. It's that before plastic BBs, they sold all BBs out there. After the plastic kit showed up, they most likely didn't sell any. And remember, that was the time when FW was all about tanks. Mass infantry and non vehicle kits were not there yet en masse and BB variants were a large portion of the catalogue.
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![[Post New]](/s/i/i.gif) 2013/05/29 20:25:57
Subject: Codex: Space Marines rumors from Frontline
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Fixture of Dakka
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His Master's Voice wrote: SickSix wrote:There is no way FW was selling that many resin baneblades.
It's not how many of those they sold. It's that before plastic BBs, they sold all BBs out there. After the plastic kit showed up, they most likely didn't sell any. And remember, that was the time when FW was all about tanks. Mass infantry and non vehicle kits were not there yet en masse and BB variants were a large portion of the catalogue.
Most likely true, but look how well it turned out for them in the long run. I rather enjoy the variety we have now.
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