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well that the debate where i am saying i am right so far i don't see i am wrong.

however, i think the way you are reading it is a better way and i think is what the rule should be but i am just showing you if you read it this way then you arrive at this conclusion.

I hated when people say well you have to proper english while 80% of the posts are not using proper english anyway. Pryian is either a hypocrite or just someone who can't use proper english. I know i am not using correct english but this forum also don't call for it either.

It really does.

Regardless - if you're firing 2 Scatter Lasers are you firing any weapons without the Laser Lock rule?

tyllon wrote:
well that the debate where i am saying i am right so far i don't see i am wrong.

however, i think the way you are reading it is a better way and i think is what the rule should be but i am just showing you if you read it this way then you arrive at this conclusion.

I hated when people say well you have to proper english while 80% of the posts are not using proper english anyway. Pryian is either a hypocrite or just someone who can't use proper english. I know i am not using correct english but this forum also don't call for it either.

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Tyllon - the rule states you fire "one or more" LL weapons *first*

You are stating you can fire a LL weapon *second*

Find permission to do so. When you cannot do so, please come back and concede gracefully

Psienesis had it correct. You're given two subsets of weapons to consider - those with Laser Lock, which are fired first, then all other weapons, which benefit from twin-link.
For an example if you have 2 Laser Lock weapons and 2 non Laser Lock weapons you fire the Laser Lock weapons first. Now... you could well opt to roll for one first, then the second - by this point you've already had to declare what weapons you're firing so it should make no difference. But the Laser Lock weapon must still be included in that first subset - it must therefore be fired before your other weapons, and cannot benefit from twin-link as a result.

To break it down:

1) Fire a scatter laser. It hits!
2) ...but we have another scatter laser, so now we must fire that.
3) NOW we don't have any more Laser Lock weapons, twin-link starts applying here.
4) Fire anything else that's left.

This is just like Networked Markerlights guys. You shoot all the LL weapons first at the same time (like networked markerlights) then you can shoot everything else and use the LL bonuses (markerlight tokens).

Unless I'm very much mistaken, Laser Lock works on a per-model basis. So no, it's not like Networked Markerlights at all - you have to keep track of which models hit with Laser Lock, only those models get the twin-link.

I understand this thread started 3 months ago but how can this still be confusing for anyone.

A much simpler way to describe their use would be as follows:

A WS is firing at something. The WS is armed with a TL Scatter laser, S.Cannon and its shield.

I roll 4 red dice(SL) 3 blue dice(cannon) and a single green die(serpent shield).

Did any of the reds hit? Yes? Then the 3 blue dice are now twin linked and so are the D6(now rolled for)+1 shots from the shield.

Now I need only roll the D6+1 shield shots and re-roll the blues if needed.

nosferatu1001 wrote:Tyllon - the rule states you fire "one or more" LL weapons *first*

You are stating you can fire a LL weapon *second*

Find permission to do so. When you cannot do so, please come back and concede gracefully

then by the same token, find where i am not permit to do that?

Super Ready wrote:Psienesis had it correct. You're given two subsets of weapons to consider - those with Laser Lock, which are fired first, then all other weapons, which benefit from twin-link.
For an example if you have 2 Laser Lock weapons and 2 non Laser Lock weapons you fire the Laser Lock weapons first. Now... you could well opt to roll for one first, then the second - by this point you've already had to declare what weapons you're firing so it should make no difference. But the Laser Lock weapon must still be included in that first subset - it must therefore be fired before your other weapons, and cannot benefit from twin-link as a result.

To break it down:

1) Fire a scatter laser. It hits!
2) ...but we have another scatter laser, so now we must fire that.
3) NOW we don't have any more Laser Lock weapons, twin-link starts applying here.
4) Fire anything else that's left.

This is just like Networked Markerlights guys. You shoot all the LL weapons first at the same time (like networked markerlights) then you can shoot everything else and use the LL bonuses (markerlight tokens).

Unless I'm very much mistaken, Laser Lock works on a per-model basis. So no, it's not like Networked Markerlights at all - you have to keep track of which models hit with Laser Lock, only those models get the twin-link.

If you can find where I have to fire ALL LL weapon FIRST. Anyone said it can't because it all assume that ALL LL has to fire first or at the same time. NO where does any rules state that. Once you got the point no where does it said ALL LL weapon has to fire first then got the point.


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rigeld2 wrote:
It really does.

Regardless - if you're firing 2 Scatter Lasers are you firing any weapons without the Laser Lock rule?

If it really does then can you use proper english and added a then to your sentence?

Tyllon - the rules are permissive. Without permission you cannot do it

The rules state when firing one or more weapons with the LL rule, you fire them first

There is no allowance in there to fire them second.

Your concession is accepted.

Standard rules are that all firing by a unit takes place at the same time. Laser Lock overrides that, but it only allows you to do so by firing Laser Lock weapons first in the way specified. It doesn't allow you to completely ignore all timing for the unit whatsoever.

Why was this brought back 2 months after the last post by somebody who refuses to understand a permissive rule set and doesn't understand how rules even work? Even when people have explained it perfectly?

Scatter Lasers can NOT benefit from Laser Lock.