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 bibblles wrote:


Oh look it's this thread again. And again the answer is no.

Oh right. Well atleast now we all know.
Thanks for that.

 ascended_mike wrote:

 bibblles wrote:


Oh look it's this thread again. And again the answer is no.

Oh right. Well atleast now we all know.
Thanks for that.

The hate for SoB is strong and I don't understand why

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 ascended_mike wrote:

 bibblles wrote:


Oh look it's this thread again. And again the answer is no.

Oh right. Well atleast now we all know.
Thanks for that.

The hate for SoB is strong and I don't understand why

Me neither. People seem to have massive grudges with GW too.. yet they are still buying the miniatures and playing the game. *shrug*

I guess they would rather just see GW produce different variant chpater so Marines with increasingly stupid vechicles and unit types until the Guard become redundant and the Xenos are all extreminated........

The usual arguments mustered are:
No one wants female minis - yeah thats accurate - see Raging Heroes - having real trouble selling them......

They are not popular - nor were Dark Eldar or Necrons and then they got new codexes

Oh and they are not Marines

Sad really - especially when GW continues to have them taking major roles in BL novels and they still apear in codex stories - even if they usually get killed.

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 ascended_mike wrote:

 bibblles wrote:


Oh look it's this thread again. And again the answer is no.

Oh right. Well atleast now we all know.
Thanks for that.

The hate for SoB is strong and I don't understand why

I'd say it's partly because the love for them is so strong.

But apart from that, some people just have a different opinion and happen to share their opinion. It's to be expected of people, especially over the internet.

 ascended_mike wrote:

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 ascended_mike wrote:

 bibblles wrote:


Oh look it's this thread again. And again the answer is no.

Oh right. Well atleast now we all know.
Thanks for that.

The hate for SoB is strong and I don't understand why

Me neither. People seem to have massive grudges with GW too.. yet they are still buying the miniatures and playing the game. *shrug*

We are mad a GW for the price increases and for, what we feel, moving away from the game's roots but we are addicted so we keep buying it. The game is like crack so we are addicted. Little plastic pieces of crack.

*looks at user name*

 Lynata wrote:
*looks at user name*

Yep...Bitz for the Bitz god!

 TheDraconicLord wrote:

 ascended_mike wrote:

 bibblles wrote:


Oh look it's this thread again. And again the answer is no.

Oh right. Well atleast now we all know.
Thanks for that.

The hate for SoB is strong and I don't understand why

The hate isn't directed at SoBs. It's directed at the people who constantly ask this same question... again... and again...

We don't need plastic sisters. Is it really so important to have new sculpts? What do you want? A sister model with it's head looking in the other direction?

Perhaps a sister with a bolter pointed slightly higher than the rest? Maybe a totally awesome new sister model with a flamer! Oh wait....

They have perfectly fine models. If anything people should whine that GW should lower the cost of the models.

Look at GWs marketing strategy. If you think sisters are bad now waittill they do get plastics. 5 plastic sisters for $700.

Comparing other model lines to defend that customers want more female models doesn't really make sense.

Raging Heroes, Kingdom Death and such... Those are sexy little half naked things. With like at least 50% of gamers being creepy male virgins of course naked women will sell.

Sisters of battle are one of the only all female model collections out there that have some sort of respect for women...

Oh wait... Repentia... Okay so they used to be.

New sisters would end up being Slaanesh-lite with a whole bunch of dominatrix and lesbian jokes all over the place.

Yeah, actually, we *do* need new models. As it stands, building a SOB army is an investiture of money that exceeds the average cost of a comparable MEQ army, because we're buying 3 metal figs for what other armies are paying for a box of 10 plastics.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1300033a

1 model. $14 US. It's a Sister of Battle with a Multi-Melta.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1090158

1 model. $14 US. It's a Sister of Battle with a Heavy Bolter.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1080214

3 models. $17.25 US. It's 3 random Battle Sisters with bolters.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1300023a

3 models. $15 US. It's 3 Repentia. $13.25 if you want the Mistress character to act as the Squad Leader, for a unit numbering 4 to 19 models (so for a basic, minimum squad of 4, you're spending $30+ bucks... and 4 assault troops who fight nearly-naked aren't doing much in today's 40K).

The rest of the army? It's a collection of single model packs, averaging $13US per. You expect someone to build a 2K point army out of that?

Actually, here, go, price it...
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/listProducts.jsp?catId=cat660002a

ETA: For sake of comparison:
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat440176a&prodId=prod1060074&rootCatGameStyle=
10 Marines. In plastic. Covers a squad, plus 1 special weapon. $37.25. To get this, I'd need 3 packs of basic Sisters, and then 1 of either the Heavy Stubber or the Multi-Melta Sisters. That's $65US. For a squad of 10 girls.

Oh wait... Repentia... Okay so they used to be.

New sisters would end up being Slaanesh-lite with a whole bunch of dominatrix and lesbian jokes all over the place.

New to Sisters? This has always been something of a theme to them. There's a reason that Catholic imagery often appears in BDSM fetishes.

I think you completely missed the point I was making.

I won't bother trying to explain it because I would literally be retyping the exact same thing.

But to clearify:

People don't need new sisters models. They want them.

I addressed the price issue.

You don't want new models, you want cheaper ones. Well... too bad. What makes people think plastic would be any cheaper?

Metal Dreadnought... $35. Plastic Dreadnought... $45 (possibly higher now).

Your 3 metal sisters for $14 would become $28 for 3 plastic. I guess you missed the joke.

Edit: Noticed how you point out 10 sisters is $65. You do realize that 10 Terminators or Wraithguard are $100 right? So basically it sounds about right.

 DeffDred wrote:
People don't need new sisters models. They want them.

I addressed the price issue.

You don't want new models, you want cheaper ones. Well... too bad. What makes people think plastic would be any cheaper?

Metal Dreadnought... $35. Plastic Dreadnought... $45 (possibly higher now).

Your 3 metal sisters for $14 would become $28 for 3 plastic. I guess you missed the joke.

Except that people don't need any 40k. They want it. Silly argument. Of course, no one needs new sisters of battle. Short of food, water and air, they don't really NEED anything.

Yes, GW COULD make Sisters 3 for $28. It is unlikely. More likely is that they make them 10 for 40 (Like Tacticals) or 5 for 33 (Like Grey Knights). Either way we win because we either get more for less or get more bits.

And there are plenty of instances where new models (plastic from metal) got cheaper. This isn't a 'let's complain about GW's prices' thread though.

Lastly, if your whole post was just to make a joke then just respond with 'that's the joke' and save us a lot of time.

 pretre wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
People don't need new sisters models. They want them.

I addressed the price issue.

You don't want new models, you want cheaper ones. Well... too bad. What makes people think plastic would be any cheaper?

Metal Dreadnought... $35. Plastic Dreadnought... $45 (possibly higher now).

Your 3 metal sisters for $14 would become $28 for 3 plastic. I guess you missed the joke.

Except that people don't need any 40k. They want it. Silly argument. Of course, no one needs new sisters of battle. Short of food, water and air, they don't really NEED anything.

Yes, GW COULD make Sisters 3 for $28. It is unlikely. More likely is that they make them 10 for 40 (Like Tacticals) or 5 for 33 (Like Grey Knights). Either way we win because we either get more for less or get more bits.

And there are plenty of instances where new models (plastic from metal) got cheaper. This isn't a 'let's complain about GW's prices' thread though.

Lastly, if your whole post was just to make a joke then just respond with 'that's the joke' and save us a lot of time.

There was only a joke or two. What bitz would you expect? There aren't many options.

I imagine that sister in plastic would be a single body with attachable arms and heads. Perhaps a set of helmeted and unhelmeted.

I think they'd actually be very similar to the Warriors of Chaos models.

I also don't think GW could pull it off. They have a pretty bad record of female models. However if Diaz was around and sculpting them based on Jes Goodwins designs they'd look great.

I had 2000 points of sisters for a single day and hated them with a passion (there is a hysterical story of violence, cursing and assault involved that day).

Sold them to a friend on the super-cheap.

Side note: Which kits got cheaper from metal to plastic? I know that the Orks are most famous for it.

Any others you can point out? I'm not being a wiseguy. I'm actually curious. It comes up alot in convos with my friends.

 DeffDred wrote:
What bitz would you expect? There aren't many options.

I imagine it would have to do with the codex, but even right now you could have a 5 man sisters squad with heavy and specials, along with sgt upgrades. Very similar to the grey knight box set. Even throw in Seraphim bits if you were feeling saucy, although that would be better for a different box.

The hate isn't directed at SoBs. It's directed at the people who constantly ask this same question... again... and again...

We don't need plastic sisters. Is it really so important to have new sculpts? What do you want? A sister model with it's head looking in the other direction?

Why not? - why do we need any new models of any kind - your "argument" is so poor its untrue I assume everyone should be happy with whatever models they curently have and GW and the others should shut up shop .

unless you prefer they keep coming up with abominations like the Marine flyers...............

With like at least 50% of gamers being creepy male virgins of course naked women will sell.

Another brilliant and coherent argument thanks for the insult ......................

 pretre wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
What bitz would you expect? There aren't many options.

I imagine it would have to do with the codex, but even right now you could have a 5 man sisters squad with heavy and specials, along with sgt upgrades. Very similar to the grey knight box set. Even throw in Seraphim bits if you were feeling saucy, although that would be better for a different box.

Nah, the Serphim would have to be their own box for the flying poses.

What about a 5 (wo)man box with bolters, 2 melta guns, 2 flamers, one of each Heavy Bolter, Multi-Melta and Heavy Flammer for... $40?

That way as you collected the force you'd have the parts to make whatever.

I don't think GW could do it right though. They can't seem to figure out how best to sell the kits.

I've gone on a few rants about how it could be better in the past and most agree with me.

It would totally alter the kits as we know them though.


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 Mr Morden wrote:

The hate isn't directed at SoBs. It's directed at the people who constantly ask this same question... again... and again...

We don't need plastic sisters. Is it really so important to have new sculpts? What do you want? A sister model with it's head looking in the other direction?

Why not? - why do we need any new models of any kind - your "argument" is so poor its untrue I assume everyone should be happy with whatever models they curently have and GW and the others should shut up shop .

unless you prefer they keep coming up with abominations like the Marine flyers...............

With like at least 50% of gamers being creepy male virgins of course naked women will sell.

Another brilliant and coherent argument thanks for the insult ......................

As an Ork player I WANT Flashgits, Biker Nobs, A new Buggie, Deffkoptas (with options), Big Mek in Mega-armour, Warboss in Mega-armour/ on bike, and a Looted Wagon.

Those are units that GW NEEDs to complete the model range. Sisters have their model range. Is there anything missing that hasn't got a sculpt?

It was neither brilliant nor an argument. Take a look at Kingdom Deaths site... sold out... sold out... sold out... sold out.

Beautiful female models.... in fur boots and bikinis. Sisters seem to have plenty in stock. Just a simple point I brought up.

Been to the Anime-con in Boston? Ever notice the market place full wall to wall with little naked women? See those people buying the little naked women? Yup thems be males.

$15 apiece little naked women. Such a collection is far more costly than GW but they sell just fine.... I wonder why?

Mr Morden wrote:
No one wants female minis - yeah thats accurate - see Raging Heroes - having real trouble selling them...

Fixed it for you. For the love of dog people, three periods in an ellipsis.

What's important to note though, is scale. Raging Heroes can sell their minis because they specialize in fantasy and sci-fi ladies. That's the only product they make. 100% of their capabilities can go into making little sexy lady toy soldiers.

Games Workshop, on the other hand, makes a lot of different products, all which require assets to make. Assets which are limited. So the question is not "Can GW turn a profit making new Sisters" but "Is the profit that GW makes of of new Sisters equal to or greater than the profit they can make if they use those assets to make something else?"

 DeffDred wrote:


Edit: Noticed how you point out 10 sisters is $65. You do realize that 10 Terminators or Wraithguard are $100 right? So basically it sounds about right.

Excepting in certain, specific builds, Termies aren't Troops, they're Elites. You're not building the entire army out of them (again, excepting certain specific armies, or certain army builds with certain HQs). But, as Termies are a points-expensive unit, you're not fielding as many of them on the table at the same points-value, as the Termies are, what, 500 points per squad of 10? So you've got $400 invested in a 2k points army.

A standard squad of 10 Battle Sisters with a Sister Superior as the Squad Leader is 185. If you want a separate model to mark out your Sister Superior, she's $13, on top of the 4 boxes of Battle Sisters (2 of which will go into the next squad). Total price for squad of 10? $82, plus tax, tithe, and shipping and handling. And I've spent less than half the points of your Termie squad. If we were each going for 2k armies in nothing but troops, I'm spending $820 compared to your $400... and still coming in short of 2K points. Maybe I could upgrade each of my 10 squads with a Sister with Heavy Bolter or Multi-Melta, or mix thereof, and end up spending another $140 on these models. So, there we are. Your Termies cost you $400 for 2k points worth, my Sisters cost me $960 for 2k points worth.

Quick question, has anyone tried simply converting their own Sisters by combining plastic Space Marines with female heads?



Note: Just curious...I know from experience that finding "heroic scale" female heads is an extremely frustrating endeavour.

I'm sure someone has tried, sure... though, as you mention, getting viable female heads isn't easy, and they don't scale particularly well on top of the bulk of a SM model. So, while it could work as a counts-as, it won't look that great.

I mean, as I mentioned earlier in the thread, I've given up hope that GW will get off their arses and give us Sisters fans something to work with, so I'm waiting for the Raging Heroes TGG line to come out, or the female knights line they mentioned coming after TGG is done.

 Psienesis wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:


Edit: Noticed how you point out 10 sisters is $65. You do realize that 10 Terminators or Wraithguard are $100 right? So basically it sounds about right.

Excepting in certain, specific builds, Termies aren't Troops, they're Elites. You're not building the entire army out of them (again, excepting certain specific armies, or certain army builds with certain HQs). But, as Termies are a points-expensive unit, you're not fielding as many of them on the table at the same points-value, as the Termies are, what, 500 points per squad of 10? So you've got $400 invested in a 2k points army.

A standard squad of 10 Battle Sisters with a Sister Superior as the Squad Leader is 185. If you want a separate model to mark out your Sister Superior, she's $13, on top of the 4 boxes of Battle Sisters (2 of which will go into the next squad). Total price for squad of 10? $82, plus tax, tithe, and shipping and handling. And I've spent less than half the points of your Termie squad. If we were each going for 2k armies in nothing but troops, I'm spending $820 compared to your $400... and still coming in short of 2K points. Maybe I could upgrade each of my 10 squads with a Sister with Heavy Bolter or Multi-Melta, or mix thereof, and end up spending another $140 on these models. So, there we are. Your Termies cost you $400 for 2k points worth, my Sisters cost me $960 for 2k points worth.

By that same logic a single troop choice of Imperial Guardsmen can run over $300.

Points are irrelevent. I'm talking about the price on the box and the number of models inside.

GW makes models and a rules system to go with them. Models being top prioity.

But as Petre said...

This isn't a thread about GW pricing.

 DeffDred wrote:
New sisters would end up being Slaanesh-lite with a whole bunch of dominatrix and lesbian jokes all over the place.

Nah, not likely. Just look at what happened with the Daemonettes.

And in regards to the repentia, I would expect a redesign to tone them down a bit.

 Troike wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
New sisters would end up being Slaanesh-lite with a whole bunch of dominatrix and lesbian jokes all over the place.

Nah, not likely. Just look at what happened with the Daemonettes.

Excellent point.

Shouldn't that strike terror into SoB players wanting new models?

 DeffDred wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:


Edit: Noticed how you point out 10 sisters is $65. You do realize that 10 Terminators or Wraithguard are $100 right? So basically it sounds about right.

Excepting in certain, specific builds, Termies aren't Troops, they're Elites. You're not building the entire army out of them (again, excepting certain specific armies, or certain army builds with certain HQs). But, as Termies are a points-expensive unit, you're not fielding as many of them on the table at the same points-value, as the Termies are, what, 500 points per squad of 10? So you've got $400 invested in a 2k points army.

A standard squad of 10 Battle Sisters with a Sister Superior as the Squad Leader is 185. If you want a separate model to mark out your Sister Superior, she's $13, on top of the 4 boxes of Battle Sisters (2 of which will go into the next squad). Total price for squad of 10? $82, plus tax, tithe, and shipping and handling. And I've spent less than half the points of your Termie squad. If we were each going for 2k armies in nothing but troops, I'm spending $820 compared to your $400... and still coming in short of 2K points. Maybe I could upgrade each of my 10 squads with a Sister with Heavy Bolter or Multi-Melta, or mix thereof, and end up spending another $140 on these models. So, there we are. Your Termies cost you $400 for 2k points worth, my Sisters cost me $960 for 2k points worth.

By that same logic a single troop choice of Imperial Guardsmen can run over $300.

Points are irrelevent. I'm talking about the price on the box and the number of models inside.

GW makes models and a rules system to go with them. Models being top prioity.

But as Petre said...

This isn't a thread about GW pricing.

No, it's not, exactly, but the current offering of what I can buy for Sisters troops, and its associated costs, coupled with the rules that GW presents me for playing a SOB army, and comparing that cost to another army, *is* relevant to the call for Sisters in plastic. Right now, point for point, the Sisters are ranging into realms of "most expensive" army to field, for an average, non-specialized list, simply because the troop variety is low (we have... what? Five units? Six?), the model-count high, the models-in-box few, and the prices relatively high for those few models. And people (and GW!) wonder why the Sisters are not a popular army on the table top? This is a real big reason why!

 DeffDred wrote:

 Troike wrote:

 DeffDred wrote:
New sisters would end up being Slaanesh-lite with a whole bunch of dominatrix and lesbian jokes all over the place.

Nah, not likely. Just look at what happened with the Daemonettes.

Excellent point.

Shouldn't that strike terror into SoB players wanting new models?

Aha. Well, II'm amd SoB player wanting new models, and I certainly wouldn't want them to be "sexed up", so no. I wouldn't want them to be made to look hideous like the Daemonettes either, though, but since the space nuns aren't evil daemon ladies, I doubt they'll go in that direction.

 Psienesis wrote:
No, it's not, exactly, but the current offering of what I can buy for Sisters troops, and its associated costs, coupled with the rules that GW presents me for playing a SOB army, and comparing that cost to another army, *is* relevant to the call for Sisters in plastic. Right now, point for point, the Sisters are ranging into realms of "most expensive" army to field, for an average, non-specialized list, simply because the troop variety is low (we have... what? Five units? Six?), the model-count high, the models-in-box few, and the prices relatively high for those few models. And people (and GW!) wonder why the Sisters are not a popular army on the table top? This is a real big reason why!

But there's no proof that lower prices would increase sales.

Warhammer 40k is a specific type of hobby with a specific type of customer.

If you don't have money to throw at GW you should stick to another hobby. If people want to play sisters they can pay the price.

I'd love to own an all Tervigon/Termigant army. I don't feel like spending my money on that many Termigants.

I do feel like spending my money on Wraithguard.

I'd love to own a sisters army (which the price really doesn't phase me, I paint slowely and could budget over time).

But I don't feel like painting the same figure over and over (in the sense that they are all women in the same armour with the same haircut, not they are a limited number of variant models).

As I've said, I already owned an army of SoBs and was disapointed in their playstyle.

So in short I guess the easiest way to describe my take on weather or not Sisters need new models would be:

The models exist and there is nothing wrong with their sculpts (just their price). They could use a new Codex but no one would like what GW came up with anyway

 DeffDred wrote:
I think you completely missed the point I was making.

I won't bother trying to explain it because I would literally be retyping the exact same thing.

But to clearify:

People don't need new sisters models. They want them.

I addressed the price issue.

You don't want new models, you want cheaper ones. Well... too bad. What makes people think plastic would be any cheaper?

Metal Dreadnought... $35. Plastic Dreadnought... $45 (possibly higher now).

Your 3 metal sisters for $14 would become $28 for 3 plastic. I guess you missed the joke.

Edit: Noticed how you point out 10 sisters is $65. You do realize that 10 Terminators or Wraithguard are $100 right? So basically it sounds about right.

Plastic Sisters = New Bitz and New Bitz = New world of conversion opportunities. It's all about the hobby. We want more diversity in the model range. As is, they are inanely limited.


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 Fezman wrote:
Quick question, has anyone tried simply converting their own Sisters by combining plastic Space Marines with female heads?



Note: Just curious...I know from experience that finding "heroic scale" female heads is an extremely frustrating endeavour.

Seen some people do that and it just looks off. Too bulky.

 Bitz_Addict wrote:
Plastic Sisters = New Bitz and New Bitz = New world of conversion opportunities. It's all about the hobby. We want more diversity in the model range. As is, they are inanely limited.

You'd love the Immolator sprue, iconography and bitz everywhere. Even a plastic Sabbat helmet! Doesn't look like you can buy any of the bitz online, though.

You should probably hope for a playable codex instead.

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
You should probably hope for a playable codex instead.

The Codex we have now is playable, just quite restrictive.