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 Troike wrote:

 SlaveToDorkness wrote:
You should probably hope for a playable codex instead.

The Codex we have now is playable, just quite restrictive.

Indeed. All the Sororitas codices were always perfectly playable. The current one is a bit bland and far from ideal, but it's never been unplayable.

 Troike wrote:

 Bitz_Addict wrote:
Plastic Sisters = New Bitz and New Bitz = New world of conversion opportunities. It's all about the hobby. We want more diversity in the model range. As is, they are inanely limited.

You'd love the Immolator sprue, iconography and bitz everywhere. Even a plastic Sabbat helmet! Doesn't look like you can buy any of the bitz online, though.

Should note that the Immolator kit comes with both a helmeted and unhelmeted head. ^^

So if you leave the turret unglued, you can make it a Rhino by swapping out a turret for the cupola piece which also comes in the kit. ^^ And if you want an alternative Exorcist that's all in plastic, save some of that iconography and get your hands on a Whirlwind's turret, do a bit of filing on the turret ring (for some bizarre reason, GW usually HATES to make their vehicle parts fully compatible with similar vehicle kits. Space Marine dreadnought arms, for example, each of the plastic variants I have (normal, venerable, and AoBR) has a different pin and hole size for the arms, making the parts either not fit with other kits, or be way too loose), stick it with the Immolator/Sisters Rhino chassis, and you've got yourself a makeshift Exorcist.

Also, plastic Sisters of Battle would make conversions nice and simple, because feth converting one-piece metal minis (two if you count the backpack, three if you count the base). I've done it once - I gave my Celestian Superior a bionic leg in 5th before the WD dex, made from a Necron Lord's lower leg. Of course, I'd be doing it for completely blasphemous reasons, but damn it all I will have my furry and scaly Sororitas! In this life or in my dreams!

I love making conversions. Most of the modeling I do these days has to do with a conversion idea, rather than building models to paint or simply assembling a new unit for a game (though I did get a bunch of heavy and special weapons for my Space Marines because they were sorely lacking variety). So I guess I'd be forced to say that most of the fun I have with the hobby these days comes from conversions and kitbashing.

I tried making my own plastic sisters , after using spare legs, arms and bolters (free in theory for build) I bought from meow meow minies the female heads, and female torso. still a work in progress and lots of parts fitting, but here is what I have so far. BTW it is more expensive to make your own(for me anyway

Yeah I lucked out getting my hands on some sisters bits when I bought my used army, the former player just threw all the left over stuff in a bag and a I found a bunch of Fleur De Li charms (like for actual charm bracelets) and with a little filing work had enough iconography to completely transform two rhinos, and give my immolators (one classic, one modern being used as a counts as Repressor) some more oomph, and completely transform what started it's life as an Iron Warriors whirlwind.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:
Yeah I lucked out getting my hands on some sisters bits when I bought my used army, the former player just threw all the left over stuff in a bag and a I found a bunch of Fleur De Li charms (like for actual charm bracelets) and with a little filing work had enough iconography to completely transform two rhinos, and give my immolators (one classic, one modern being used as a counts as Repressor) some more oomph, and completely transform what started it's life as an Iron Warriors whirlwind.

Nice.

Also, it's "Fleur de Lys."

The S is silent and it's pronounced like, "Lee" but still.

According to Wiki "i" or "y" is acceptable. I did drop the "s" though, and apparently didn't talk on the proper s for multiple fleur de lis which is "fleurs de lis"

 Bitz_Addict wrote:
For years I have been wishing for plastic Sisters of Battle kit to be released. Even heard some rumors back when the Witch Hunters codex came out that this was happening but it never did. Now I see these wicked Toughest Girls In The Galaxy models from Raging Heroes and I want me som SoB! I like the concept of the army and some of their models have been fantastic but I would never build and army with the limited selection they had.

Anyone heard anything about this? Will this ever happen? This is probably one of the most underplayed armies out there that has some of the most potential. I want a plastic army that can field 8,783,948,009 flamers for 2,000 pts without having to buy and build a the bloody IG army.

Who's with me?

When GW can sculpt females that doesn't look like transvestites.

 LunaHound wrote:

 Bitz_Addict wrote:
For years I have been wishing for plastic Sisters of Battle kit to be released. Even heard some rumors back when the Witch Hunters codex came out that this was happening but it never did. Now I see these wicked Toughest Girls In The Galaxy models from Raging Heroes and I want me som SoB! I like the concept of the army and some of their models have been fantastic but I would never build and army with the limited selection they had.

Anyone heard anything about this? Will this ever happen? This is probably one of the most underplayed armies out there that has some of the most potential. I want a plastic army that can field 8,783,948,009 flamers for 2,000 pts without having to buy and build a the bloody IG army.

Who's with me?

When GW can sculpt females that doesn't look like trannies.

They need to produce some models that look like these.

Aren't those the same 3 images? They look like Serephim models.

 LunaHound wrote:

 Bitz_Addict wrote:
For years I have been wishing for plastic Sisters of Battle kit to be released. Even heard some rumors back when the Witch Hunters codex came out that this was happening but it never did. Now I see these wicked Toughest Girls In The Galaxy models from Raging Heroes and I want me som SoB! I like the concept of the army and some of their models have been fantastic but I would never build and army with the limited selection they had.

Anyone heard anything about this? Will this ever happen? This is probably one of the most underplayed armies out there that has some of the most potential. I want a plastic army that can field 8,783,948,009 flamers for 2,000 pts without having to buy and build a the bloody IG army.

Who's with me?

When GW can sculpt females that doesn't look like trannies.

Can we not use that word? It's about as polite as any other slur.

 DeffDred wrote:
Aren't those the same 3 images? They look like Serephim models.

I don't know what's going on. I'm trying to upload 3 different images but it triplicates the same one...frak.

 KalashnikovMarine wrote:


Can we not use that word? It's about as polite as any other slur.

Hmm, k edited.

Anyway, let's get a headcount, who here would go SoB if they came out with a decent, non-sexualized, and diverse plastic lineup?

I have them already, and honestly apart from the Repentia, they are not really all that sexualized. Even the Repentia models are more tame than the art. Especially if you compare them to those *COUGH* leaders of female models at Raging Heroes, where nearly every female has an enormous chest, exposing clothing and poses that are clearly pin-up.

I'd like a new codex over plastic models, would be happy to have them, though. However, I'd be more happy for plastic kits of essentially the same look, or even happier with plastic vehicles.

 Bitz_Addict wrote:
Anyway, let's get a headcount, who here would go SoB if they came out with a decent, non-sexualized, and diverse plastic lineup?

If they were the exact same models, but in plastic, I would be all for it. Maybe a new sculpt for the repentia.

However I think I'd need a bit more variety to actually want an army of them.

Sisters with bolters, sister with ccws, sister in skivies with chainswords... Maybe some sisters in teminator armour!

 DeffDred wrote:

 Bitz_Addict wrote:
Anyway, let's get a headcount, who here would go SoB if they came out with a decent, non-sexualized, and diverse plastic lineup?

If they were the exact same models, but in plastic, I would be all for it. Maybe a new sculpt for the repentia.

However I think I'd need a bit more variety to actually want an army of them.

Sisters with bolters, sister with ccws, sister in skivies with chainswords... Maybe some sisters in teminator armour!

SoB in termie armor? That would be something to see. They do need some better infantry options. Give them some power fists and Sister SMASH!

There is no real reason why a Terminator option is not possible - "mortals" can use it - several Inquisitors do and a few relic suits adapted for use for the Sororitas would be cool.

I have a few hundred SOB at present but would love some new scults to add variety.

As i've already said several times, they would be my next army if they released an update.

One thing I am not going to do is try and build a 2000pt army out of the sisters metal models and forgeworld vehicle kits. I'd spend 3x the amount I would on building another army and I can't afford that. The hobby is expensive enough as it is. (My next choice is Tau, I'm probably going to be buying some soon too.)

I don't understand why anyone would complain at GW releasing a new model line for sisters... yes, a line of miniatures exists but they are metal and expensive in comparison to other MEQ armies.
Yes, GW are upscaling their prices in recent times, but it would still be a cheaper alternative and given the interest in other female models in other ranges, I can see many people being interested. Sexualised or not.

I must say that I see myself agreeing with DeffDred on this. I love the current designs, and I would deem it quite possible that GW would redesign them, if they ever decide to produce plastic kits. And, given the inherent risk of change to something I like in its current fashion, I'm not sure I would end up enjoying the result. The Daemonettes and Dark Eldar Wyches are a good example of this, subjectively speaking, as I believe that both ended up to be uglier than their older version. Plus, the sheer weight of the metal feels amazing in my hands and psychologically makes every single miniature feel more powerful and important - the next-to-nothing of light plastic or even flimsy finecast simply cannot compare here. It's like comparing chess pieces of plastic and heavy wood. It's a totally different experience playing with the latter, at least to me.

That's an egoistical position to take, though, as I know that many players may just not want to spend such a huge amount of cash (I actually believe plastics would end up to be somewhat cheaper, just not as much as people seem to believe) on SoB. And in a way it may even hurt myself, for when plastic SoB means more players, it might mean more updates and material that I could end up using, too. So, I suppose I'll remain in this nervous state of waiting and just see where things go from here.

Also, I can also understand the interest in bitz, for there is certainly some potential here - although I believe that the full range of options would require a proper Codex with more options than the gutted remains of old glory we got in WD. That said, simple ornamentation and props can always be used anywhere, and it would be cool if the various miniatures could be geared towards the equipment they carry. So far, there is only a single SoB mini with a combi-weapon, for example, and she is paired with a power maul, which isn't even an option anymore in the new 'dex. So if we were to go purely by WYSIWYG, this mini as well as the combi-weapon option in the current Codex are invalid/impossible.

DeffDred wrote:Those are units that GW NEEDs to complete the model range. Sisters have their model range. Is there anything missing that hasn't got a sculpt?

The Banner Bearer is OOP. I was lucky enough to get one off ebay a few years ago, so there may still be some around if one were to look hard for them.
I think players are supposed to substitute the Simulacrum for the Banner.

Mr Morden wrote:There is no real reason why a Terminator option is not possible - "mortals" can use it - several Inquisitors do and a few relic suits adapted for use for the Sororitas would be cool.

I dunno. It'd certainly be possible, but stylistically it would feel very "marine'ish". I'd rather see Celestians get Storm Shields and Power Weapons to make them a potential CC unit to be feared of.

Bitz_Addict wrote:

Spoiler:

I swear, Battle Sisters with friggin' high heels are a red rag to me, regardless of whether I see this in fan art or cosplay (or that one Blanche drawing).

 Lynata wrote:

Mr Morden wrote:There is no real reason why a Terminator option is not possible - "mortals" can use it - several Inquisitors do and a few relic suits adapted for use for the Sororitas would be cool.

I dunno. It'd certainly be possible, but stylistically it would feel very "marine'ish". I'd rather see Celestians get Storm Shields and Power Weapons to make them a potential CC unit to be feared of.

I agree. This would not only make them rather strong but they'd look incredible too.

 Lynata wrote:
lots of stuff

As one who loved the revamp of the Dark Eldar - I would love to see new SOB models - if they were done well - I thought the Llyeth model was great - but I would agree the Diaz Daemonettes have yet to be matched. However its all very subjective........

re the specific Power Maul - as long as you have the option for a "power weapon" you can choose which one you take - so its still valid I think?

A revamp would be bound to introudce new options as seen in other revised codexes so they can sell new models:

So likely Sisters on bikes, dedicated flyer/s, new vehicles, new special characters etc etc

Whilst a full option for Terminator squads is not that likely - there is nothing really in the fluff to stop them (and that does not tend to give them pause anyway these days :( ) - but you could certainly write some good fluff about them - perhaps a single one taken from each deviant Astartes Chapter they have purged and then ritually cleansed to allow a Sororitas to use them nice fluffy option and would look cool on the table...........

No reason not to have the Storm Shield / Power weapon combo as well

Mr Morden wrote:re the specific Power Maul - as long as you have the option for a "power weapon" you can choose which one you take - so its still valid I think?

I believe the Codex specifically says "Power Sword", which means we're SOL when it comes to the new bonuses regarding the differences to Power Axes etc, too.

[edit] nvm, the FAQ actually changes it to Power Weapon

Still, one could say that it is bad insofar as it basically "forces" you to always take the combi-weapon and a power maul, instead of something else. If we were to go by WYSIWYG, that is.
I don't mind it too much, myself, but modularity is a valid example of the (few, imo) advantages of plastic kits.

Mr Morden wrote:A revamp would be bound to introudce new options as seen in other revised codexes so they can sell new models:
So likely Sisters on bikes, dedicated flyer/s, new vehicles, new special characters etc etc

Another reason for me to be sceptical, then.

The only "new" models I'd like to see is a return of the Frateris Militia. Maybe Novices. For Flyers, just give me the Valkyrie and the Lightning and I'm good to go.

But as you said, it really is a matter of personal preferences, and hypothetically speaking, I would actually expect GW to cater more to your vision than to mine - judging purely by recent releases. Including the SoB 'dex that basically says "play with SC or suck it".

 Lynata wrote:

Bitz_Addict wrote:

Spoiler:

I swear, Battle Sisters with friggin' high heels are a red rag to me, regardless of whether I see this in fan art or cosplay (or that one Blanche drawing).

Oh god, this. I rage a little every time I see it. Are high heels really something that a soldier would have?

 Lynata wrote:
So far, there is only a single SoB mini with a combi-weapon, for example, and she is paired with a power maul, which isn't even an option anymore in the new 'dex.

It is, actually. The FAQ changed "power sword" to "power weapon", which I believes covers swords, axes and mauls.

Also, did not know that that model had a combi-weapon. Will definetely have to pick it up at some point, then.

 Bitz_Addict wrote:
Anyway, let's get a headcount, who here would go SoB if they came out with a decent, non-sexualized, and diverse plastic lineup?

Even if my metal model army was completeted, I'd still pick up a load of plastic Sisters. Hell, would even paint them up as a different Order to my current ones.

 DeffDred wrote:
We don't need plastic sisters. Is it really so important to have new sculpts? What do you want? A sister model with it's head looking in the other direction?

Perhaps a sister with a bolter pointed slightly higher than the rest? Maybe a totally awesome new sister model with a flamer! Oh wait....

They have perfectly fine models. If anything people should whine that GW should lower the cost of the models.

They have perfectly fine models unless you want to covert them. They have perfectly fine models unless you want every model in your unit to not look like a cookie cutter version of every other model in the unit. You may think the line is fine, but to those that it actually matters to it isn't. I had a witchhunters army with a large sisters component. It irritated me that every armored sister model, except for the seraphim, was pretty much exactly the same as every other armored sister model. Even the special weapons used the same body, pose and hair styles. That is BORING. Also given the fact they are all metal and the limited poses that every model is in, any type of serious conversion was a pain in the ass. Heck even a simple weapon conversion was a pain in the ass.

Yep new plastics won't be cheap, but then the metals aren't exactly cheap either so that is a wash in my book. People who like sisters just want similar options to other armies: Fully posable and adaptable plastic troops. It isn't a lot to ask at all given that it is the norm for every other army in the game.

Skriker

 Troike wrote:

 Lynata wrote:
So far, there is only a single SoB mini with a combi-weapon, for example, and she is paired with a power maul, which isn't even an option anymore in the new 'dex.

It is, actually. The FAQ changed "power sword" to "power weapon", which I believes covers swords, axes and mauls.

Also, did not know that that model had a combi-weapon. Will definetely have to pick it up at some point, then.

It also covers lances/spears, for whatever that's worth.

Also, I didn't know that mini had a combi-weapon, and I've had one for at least a year before 6th edition was released.

There are actually two combi-weapon models for SOB:


Combi-grenade launcher. lol

and this OOP Canoness:

 pretre wrote:
There are actually two combi-weapon models for SOB:


Combi-grenade launcher. lol

and this OOP Canoness:

I actually had that OOP Canoness...

Then for some bizarre reason I chose her to turn into a Starcraft 2 Infested Kerrigan miniature.

It was an ultimately ill-conceived and failed project.

 Pouncey wrote:

I actually had that OOP Canoness...

Then for some bizarre reason I chose her to turn into a Starcraft 2 Infested Kerrigan miniature.

It was an ultimately ill-conceived and failed project.

I actually have 3 or 4 of them, I think, in various stages of use/destruction. They are actually pretty useful because the combi is easy to chop and swap and the raised hand is two pieces so is relatively easy to swap/convert a different weapon. She makes a good sister superior.

 DeffDred wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
No, it's not, exactly, but the current offering of what I can buy for Sisters troops, and its associated costs, coupled with the rules that GW presents me for playing a SOB army, and comparing that cost to another army, *is* relevant to the call for Sisters in plastic. Right now, point for point, the Sisters are ranging into realms of "most expensive" army to field, for an average, non-specialized list, simply because the troop variety is low (we have... what? Five units? Six?), the model-count high, the models-in-box few, and the prices relatively high for those few models. And people (and GW!) wonder why the Sisters are not a popular army on the table top? This is a real big reason why!

But there's no proof that lower prices would increase sales.

Warhammer 40k is a specific type of hobby with a specific type of customer.

If you don't have money to throw at GW you should stick to another hobby. If people want to play sisters they can pay the price.

I'd love to own an all Tervigon/Termigant army. I don't feel like spending my money on that many Termigants.

I do feel like spending my money on Wraithguard.

I'd love to own a sisters army (which the price really doesn't phase me, I paint slowely and could budget over time).

But I don't feel like painting the same figure over and over (in the sense that they are all women in the same armour with the same haircut, not they are a limited number of variant models).

As I've said, I already owned an army of SoBs and was disapointed in their playstyle.

So in short I guess the easiest way to describe my take on weather or not Sisters need new models would be:

The models exist and there is nothing wrong with their sculpts (just their price). They could use a new Codex but no one would like what GW came up with anyway

I have money to throw at GW. That's the point. GW, however, seems disinterested in giving me something for which I will throw money at them, and seems to suggest that I should, rather, download the Codex from the internet, and buy my models from some other company, because they have done little but make the SOB army difficult to collect, the rules for it hard to find, and have priced it into the realm of "collector's item", rather than playable army. For the price of a SOB army from GW, compared to other, current armies that are, far and away, more competitive, offering more flexibility in playstyle, and visually more interesting (ymmv), as such things are considered, the pricing of a SOB Army should give me 5th ed GK cheese. Like I pointed out earlier, if I'm dropping nearly a grand on *basic troops* and a handful of slightly-upgraded *basic troops*, without taking into consideration any other model in any other FOC slot, and am getting a mid-tier, mid-range shooty army, then those basic troops better be damn well worth the price tag.

However, as that isn't going to happen (nor should it, really), the price of Sisters should come in line with those of other model ranges. The TacMarine box set gives us 10 in plastic, with bitz on the sprue to make more than just a basic TacMarine. You get stuff to make some basic SM, a range of heavy weapons, and some bitz to make a squad leader. In *one* box, and more than three times the model count, for only twice the price. Any way you shake it, it's a much, much better value... never mind the fact that a box of TacMarines can be used in a wide range of armies, rather than one specific army list with minimal conversion, repainting or fluff-bending writing.

 Mr Morden wrote:
There is no real reason why a Terminator option is not possible - "mortals" can use it - several Inquisitors do and a few relic suits adapted for use for the Sororitas would be cool.

I have a few hundred SOB at present but would love some new scults to add variety.

Or even just a "heavy" power armor that has additional strength-enhancers and refractor shields, without needing to call it terminator armor (and give it only 3+/5++ so the marine fanboys won't complain too much).

Would be a rather neat idea for a heavy assault unit, perhaps with the option to upgrade them to be equipped with power swords and storm shields, giving them a rather knightly/paladinly appeal.