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 Bitz_Addict wrote:

Plastic Sisters = New Bitz and New Bitz = New world of conversion opportunities. It's all about the hobby. We want more diversity in the model range. As is, they are inanely limited.

Quite right. I don't play Sisters but if they got plastics I'd buy them just for the conversion potential.

Just for info I was told at FW open day by Jes Goodwin we will never see Plastic Sisters of Battle......

I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was something to do with the (2 part) plastic moulding process works and the way the models look......

He spent more time talking to my mate, but this was straight from the man's mouth as it was.....

I don't play sisters - but I thought it may be useful

Lovepug13 wrote:
Just for info I was told at FW open day by Jes Goodwin we will never see Plastic Sisters of Battle......

I can't remember exactly what he said, but it was something to do with the (2 part) plastic moulding process works and the way the models look......

He spent more time talking to my mate, but this was straight from the man's mouth as it was.....

I don't play sisters - but I thought it may be useful

Well, that settles that then...

What would be so challenging about moulding plastic Sisters? They've done lots of detailed stuff in plastic before.

Anybody have any idea why?

Incompetence.

That or laziness.

 Melissia wrote:
Incompetence.

That or laziness.

That or a completely unsubstantiated rumor that is a rehash of the one we heard 5 years ago saying delays were due to the number of undercuts involved in the molds...

 pretre wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Incompetence.

That or laziness.

That or a completely unsubstantiated rumor that is a rehash of the one we heard 5 years ago saying delays were due to the number of undercuts involved in the molds...

Not saying I'm unquestionably accepting what the guy said, but GW having problems/delays making new Sisters has been a fairly prevalent rumour. Was just wondering if there's anything about the Sisters that makes them particularly hard to model. Because I can't really think of anything.

'Spose it could just be the fans trying to think up an explanation.

Supposedly, it's the robes.

 Troike wrote:
but GW having problems/delays making new Sisters has been a fairly prevalent rumour. Was just wondering if there's anything about the Sisters that makes them particularly hard to model. Because I can't really think of anything.

'Spose it could just be the fans trying to think up an explanation.

It all stems from a Jes Goodwin interview like 5 years ago where he talked about the undercuts on the SoB. It has been rehashed a milliion times since then. This is actually the first one I heard where someone tried to add new detail to it. Which either means it is legitimately new, or the story has grown so much that it has taken a life of its own.

Also, this is just me talking here, but I honestly do NOT want Terminator Sisters. If we keep on this route, Sisters will no longer be Sisters and just some offshoot of Marines, and I do not want that.

 Melissia wrote:
Supposedly, it's the robes.

And yet the Dark Angels exist, so I doubt that.

 curran12 wrote:
Also, this is just me talking here, but I honestly do NOT want Terminator Sisters. If we keep on this route, Sisters will no longer be Sisters and just some offshoot of Marines, and I do not want that.

I don't care for terminator sisters, but having an "assault" power armor suit would be nice.

Troike wrote:And yet the Dark Angels exist, so I doubt that.

I confess, I had to think the same thing.
Plus, as pretre mentioned, it sounds eerily familiar.

Not denying the possibility that people are actually told this, though. By now it could well be an excuse story that gets tossed around whenever important GW people get bothered by those pesky SoB fans.


As far as armour thingies are concerned, I'm unsure whether or not I would like to see something like this. That being said, perhaps it could be a sort of upgrade, like the plackart of the Canoness miniature, in combination with something like the Crusader Greaves/Gauntlets you could unlock as wargear for Canoness Selena in the DoW Soulstorm expansion.
I feel something like that should be confined to Celestians, though. And the Canoness herself, ofc. Who should also get access to both cloaks back.

 Melissia wrote:

 Mr Morden wrote:
There is no real reason why a Terminator option is not possible - "mortals" can use it - several Inquisitors do and a few relic suits adapted for use for the Sororitas would be cool.

I have a few hundred SOB at present but would love some new scults to add variety.

Or even just a "heavy" power armor that has additional strength-enhancers and refractor shields, without needing to call it terminator armor (and give it only 3+/5++ so the marine fanboys won't complain too much).

Would be a rather neat idea for a heavy assault unit, perhaps with the option to upgrade them to be equipped with power swords and storm shields, giving them a rather knightly/paladinly appeal.

Heavy assault would be pretty sweet.

 Lynata wrote:
I feel something like that should be confined to Celestians, though. And the Canoness herself, ofc. Who should also get access to both cloaks back.

It'd really suit them too. As is they're half-arsed attempts at tarpits, so some decent gear to help with that would give them an actual role in the army.

And the Canoness should really get most of, if not all of her stuff back. A strong generic HQ would be pretty nice. Right now my Canoness is more or less just a helper for my Rets. :-/

Troike wrote:Right now my Canoness is more or less just a helper for my Rets. :-/

The main issue I have with the WDex, really. The massive reduction of wargear in the Sisters' armoury and the high power of certain SCs (against whom the rest of the army were balanced) means that we're really just gimping ourselves for sticking to the Canoness. Yet I really prefer fielding a "standard" Sororitas leader with custom background to some uberspecial official hero I had no part in designing.
We can only hope that the Canoness and her Command Squad become a somewhat more viable choice in the future.

But in a way, it fits to the army's theme. Let us share in our suffering, Sister!

Anyways, my idea for the Celestians is basically supposed to reinforce their fluff as honor guard for the Canoness. Make them beasts in close combat, and give them appropriate gear. Then charge the heretics with banner held high!

Hm, you know, as an alternate thing for Sisters, the recent thread on Joan of Arc got me thinking.

Sisters need Standards. Make it a one-per-army sort of thing. You choose a Banner from a list, it's attached to a Sister model that, as Bearer of the Standard, has a 4++ and a bolt pistol. Not a combat goddess, by any means, but her role is to survive.

The banner selected provides a set buff or range of buffs. Maybe it makes Penitent Engines troops. Maybe it provides an army-wide +1 WS, +1T or +1W. Maybe it provides an additional 6" shooting range for all weapons. So on and so forth.

The other idea I have behind this is that we know there's a bunch of Minor Orders. In fact. thinking about it a bit more, you could use a baseline Sister Superior (actually, Sister with Imagifier) as the HQ, in place of the Canoness or another HQ, and get the banner and its effects, while other HQ selections don't.

This lets you, if you want to pose it this way, have your "custom banner" on the field, and deploy however many number of Sisters you're deploying, and, in campaign play, you are deploying a significant portion of a Minor Orders Militant.

((Edited because I spell gud))

Sisters had such things in the past...

Before the dark times...

They sorta did with the Battle Standards, yes, though I am thinking that they should make this an army-wide thing, one banner, to encourage taking a different HQ than the shortlist of SCs and such.

Yeah, basically being able to choose which army wide rule we use would be nice.

I'm not sure if it should really ignore the range between the recipient of the bonus and the banner conferring it - but now that GW went and assigned different "perks" to the various Major Orders, it would indeed become possible to have a re-introduced version of the 3E Sacred Banner confer an Order-specific bonus. Players of custom Minor Orders would have to decide which of the Major Orders theirs is a daughter-house of, and then become eligible to its bonus.

That being said, I think the current Blessed Banner is probably one of the few improvements of the new 'dex, given that it basically unites the benefits of the 20-points-Sacred Standard and the 50-points-Sacred Banner in a single 15-point-item, even though the effect adopted from the Sacred Banner was nerfed from complete immunity into a reroll.

 Psienesis wrote:
Hm, you know, as an alternate thing for Sisters, the recent thread on Joan of Arc got me thinking.

Sisters need Standards. Make it a one-per-army sort of thing. You choose a Banner from a list, it's attached to a Sister model that, as Bearer of the Standard, has a 4++ and a bolt pistol. Not a combat goddess, by any means, but her role is to survive.

The banner selected provides a set buff or range of buffs. Maybe it makes Penitent Engines troops. Maybe it provides an army-wide +1 WS, +1T or +1W. Maybe it provides an additional 6" shooting range for all weapons. So on and so forth.

The other idea I have behind this is that we know there's a bunch of Minor Orders. In fact. thinking about it a bit more, you could use a baseline Sister Superior (actually, Sister with Imagifier) as the HQ, in place of the Canoness or another HQ, and get the banner and its effects, while other HQ selections don't.

This lets you, if you want to pose it this way, have your "custom banner" on the field, and deploy however many number of Sisters you're deploying, and, in campaign play, you are deploying a significant portion of a Minor Orders Militant.

((Edited because I spell gud))

So, something like the Black Templar's vows but with standards? Choose a standard that you feel would best benefit the army in a particular game? If I'm reading that right, tha would be pretty sweet and add a lot to the the army. Plus that would make for some pretty cool conversions.

 Troike wrote:

 Melissia wrote:
Supposedly, it's the robes.

And yet the Dark Angels exist, so I doubt that.

It was (supposedly) the way the robes on the arms were hanging. Dark Angels just have the emo sleeveless hoodie bathrobes which hang the same way no matter how you pose them.

Basically, the idea was that when posed, the fabric robes on the arms would look weird and not hang "naturally" unless the arms were posed in a specific manner (which defeats much of the purpose of multi-part models). That much makes sense. It would definitely be a difficult thing to mold unless the arms were multi-part which then becomes an issue of added cost and wasted materials.

I still believe the correct answer is that plastic Sisters don't exist because they've never been a high enough priority to get made. But at least the idea of the arms makes a reasonable amount of sense.

 Bitz_Addict wrote:
Anyway, let's get a headcount, who here would go SoB if they came out with a decent, non-sexualized, and diverse plastic lineup?

I already play them - but at the cost they exist at now, I could afford to buy my one build and leave it at that - plus I use some old plastic space marines to pad things out when I run a big game. If they came out in plastic, I'd both diversify my builds and buy enough Sisters to expand my army to higher point levels. I'm just not inclined to do either at current prices. I don't have any problem with their current look, but more variety in models would definitely inspire my pocketbook to open up as well.

-D

Playing with my Sisters army tonight at the club - if there were more new figures brought out - I would buy some more

It could be that the particular sculpts that Goodwin came up with 5 years ago really were not suitable for plastic production methods. That does not mean they could not make plastic sisters with current technology and sculpts that were designed to work with that technology.

"We cant make plastic SoB models" is total BS.

 Bitz_Addict wrote:

 Psienesis wrote:
Hm, you know, as an alternate thing for Sisters, the recent thread on Joan of Arc got me thinking.

Sisters need Standards. Make it a one-per-army sort of thing. You choose a Banner from a list, it's attached to a Sister model that, as Bearer of the Standard, has a 4++ and a bolt pistol. Not a combat goddess, by any means, but her role is to survive.

The banner selected provides a set buff or range of buffs. Maybe it makes Penitent Engines troops. Maybe it provides an army-wide +1 WS, +1T or +1W. Maybe it provides an additional 6" shooting range for all weapons. So on and so forth.

The other idea I have behind this is that we know there's a bunch of Minor Orders. In fact. thinking about it a bit more, you could use a baseline Sister Superior (actually, Sister with Imagifier) as the HQ, in place of the Canoness or another HQ, and get the banner and its effects, while other HQ selections don't.

This lets you, if you want to pose it this way, have your "custom banner" on the field, and deploy however many number of Sisters you're deploying, and, in campaign play, you are deploying a significant portion of a Minor Orders Militant.

((Edited because I spell gud))

So, something like the Black Templar's vows but with standards? Choose a standard that you feel would best benefit the army in a particular game? If I'm reading that right, tha would be pretty sweet and add a lot to the the army. Plus that would make for some pretty cool conversions.

Kinda, yeah, though I'm thinking more along the lines of the current Orders Major perks, plus a table of additional effects, simply to add some variety to custom Minor Orders. Between the current perks, BT vows, IG Orders and all the related Imperial faction things along these lines, I'm not even sure the table would need to be all that "custom", just simply re-worded (to make it fit the Sisters' theme) versions of things that are already appearing in other Imperial armies.

Or you could decide that the Order Minor can either choose a single Order Major perk (thus identifying that Order as its founder), and get its perk and all the stuff that goes on with that Order, or roll randomly on the table (kinda-sorta the way Psychic Powers are either taken from a short-list, or rolled randomly)... though I think I'd prefer the previous version, simply so that one's custom Minor Order is not just a Major Order in a new paint scheme.

Thanks for pointing out the toughest girls in the galaxy, kickstarter never sends me things I'd be interested in.

The quality and value of those models from a company who makes customer feedback integral to their process dispels the desire I had for plastic SoB from GW, if they ever do come out they'll only be lesser troops in my TGG collection.

A bit pricey for the real bling from the KS, but if you can swing it, the Lieutenant level supporter gets all sorts of nice prizes.