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I'm not a big game t-shirt fan so whatever design/color you go with is okay by me. I'll find someone to give it to.

If you made it a simple incursion logo and did the shirt in a dri-fit type material that I could wear to the gym, I'd buy two.

The shirt in blue or yellow would be rather nice heh.

 cincydooley wrote:
Honestly, I'd be interested in any non 'traditional-gamer" color.

Give me a day-glo shirt with just a black incursion logo on it and i'd be stoked.

That's actually a good point as well. Well, half of one. I wouldn't go for a day-glo shirt personally, but I'd probably wear one (black, red, sand) with the logo but without the picture of a zombie. Because I am an adult and am happy to wear clothing with cool-looking icons and logos, but notsomuch drawings.

KS is live by the way.

 cincydooley wrote:
KS is live by the way.

Pledged!

Interesting that they've chosen not to early bird, when other recent campaigns (mantic etc) have gone early bird crazy. Probably just as well considering they launched early! The nerd rage would have been unbearable

Seems a bit cynical that the first $350k of planned stretches are figures that should be in the base game anyway - in the last edition there were standees+cards for 2 Blitzhunds, 2 HMG/Blazer Apes, 3 Bomberzombies etc - now these cards have been taken away to (maybe) be re-added later? Smacks of kickstarter fakery to me but I guess it's a proven ploy.


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Looking at it again, aside from faction dice (& transfers) do the stretch goals really improve the boxed game before plastic doors @ 700k or just 'ungimp' it? I think the extra grunts may be new but can't be sure..

I was a bit underwhelmed to be honest, especially knowing that the boxed game is going to be the same price at retail as it is in the KS and there doesn't seem to be much beyond the 1KS exclusive model that you "get."

I've got it on watch to see in the deal gets better, but right now I'm not exactly feeling it.

Will people be able to pledge just or add ons?

I bet a lot of people would want to get a box of Nazi zombies for a reasonable price.

I'll be keeping an eye out for the inevitable dinosaur viking spirits!

Two hundred bucks for the base game and expansion delivered to Australia? I'm not feeling that either, especially for a Kickstarter.

This makes it more expensive than pretty much every other boardgame I own, excepting only GW products and including all the huge coffin-boxed FFG stuff - and more expensive than buying it locally at retail would be, but then, I guess that's unlikely to be an option either, since you're eschewing distributors. Because my FLGS isn't going to be willing to pay $30+ shipping from you on an untested product when they can get free or close-enough shipping from their local distributors with other products (or free shipping from someone like Reaper).

I'll also throw it on watch and check back in 3 weeks. Though I'll probably watch this thread for something to do.

I'm a bit torn on this too, I'd assumed Grindhouse were UK based (like WW) or would be using a UK distributor (WW), so stuff could be shipped from the UK to UK customers for a reasonable cost. But that's my mistake.

If it's coming from the US then it's different; the postage is quite rightly going to be high (it's a pretty heavy box!), but with the currency conversion, shipping & customs charges (another 25%), I'm going to be paying above retail. Not that you guys can do anything about it.

I'd have been tempted with a lower specials with cards only pledge (Metalhead without the SNAFU stuff), but even that's sitting at around $160 after shipping + tax.

I'm in a bit of a pickle though, as I'll keep an eye out to see if the freebies tempt me, though I was hoping to have sold my Incursion box and metal German starter set at a show this weekend in order to fund the kickstarter.

Herzlos wrote:
I'm a bit torn on this too, I'd assumed Grindhouse were UK based (like WW) or would be using a UK distributor (WW), so stuff could be shipped from the UK to UK customers for a reasonable cost. But that's my mistake.

If it's coming from the US then it's different; the postage is quite rightly going to be high (it's a pretty heavy box!), but with the currency conversion, shipping & customs charges (another 25%), I'm going to be paying above retail. Not that you guys can do anything about it.

I'd have been tempted with a lower specials with cards only pledge (Metalhead without the SNAFU stuff), but even that's sitting at around $160 after shipping + tax.

I'm in a bit of a pickle though, as I'll keep an eye out to see if the freebies tempt me, though I was hoping to have sold my Incursion box and metal German starter set at a show this weekend in order to fund the kickstarter.

Grindhouse is a US company.

I have to admitt I'm a bit disappointed by the lack of low level rewards, plus I'm only after the MI-13 Flamethrower guy but there doesn't seem to be an option to get him as a single figure.

I've pledged $1 for now, will see how the KS goes.

So I've noticed (Texas, it seems?), so it's entirely a bad assumption on my part; since I just assumed the reason they teamed up with West Wind Productions was that they were local to each other.

The conversations about European postage in the comments section is a little worrying. The shipping discussions so far revolve around no European distribution and countering the very high customs fees by only writing 20% of your pledge amount on the customs declaration forms.

If customs decide to open them, which is highly likely given the size and weight of the eventual parcel, then it will take a fair bit of explaining and some large fees.

That's definitely a big risk; it's only take one to be opened for the rest to be viewed with suspicion.

As far as I can tell, some countries will also want to see a real invoice and not just the packaging value (because marking it as a gift or low value is a common trick), and others may do this at random, so it's certainly not without risk.

Edit: It'll be even worse if they spot that you've colluded to put a false price up. I'd take that down from the kickstarter as they'll probably look there to assess value.

yeah,
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UK cost now includes customs.

Panic...

Panic, don't forget that import duty is also charged on the postage costs so they could add another £4 - £10 on depending on tier level weight.

Pledged $1 just to get the updates....

This Kickstarter just isn't pulling me in like I thought it would.

yeah,
edited out.
customs now included in UK price.

Panic...

The potential customs surcharge is a bummer, but if there is enough non-US demand this could change, as the cost to use a EU distributor will drop.

AS it stands you seem to be getting just a little more than RRP value, but perhaps this is indicative of the ew KS 's. Grindhouse are not a major firm who can offer a shed load of freebies, they would be working for nothing as it is if the goas are met the deals get sweeter.

Another thing to remeber is that this is not on general retail release so you are unlikely to getthe 20-30% mark down from online.Price wise it is comaprable with FFG in a lot of respects

Anyway, I am in and looking forward to marcjh2014

yeah,
edited... uk price now includes customs.


I just don't want to pay for shipping & tax... This is a normal reaction!
I do want this, I already have the card stock version of incursion, I'm in the gang. sans miniatures.
However It's kinda hard to justify the 30% shipping plus customs... in my mind.
Because at the moment thats what the cost is for few extra stretch goal zombies and a fancy Nu Gretel.

This is not solely a grindhouse issue. It's sadly one that turns me off more projects than I fund..
This is my Kickstarter profile.

I buy Cool stuff.
But I hate Postage Costs and Customs Tax, help me Avoid these Things and I'm more likely to take an interest in your project.

Almost to hit home the point...
Last week I bought 21 bases of USA's finest necron scarabs from an ebay.com bits seller for £60. £3 a base not bad...
Today I got hit with £18 customs and royal mail fee... It's now £4 a base and not so great!

Panic...

From the recent comments it looks like they are investigating possible options and should be able to provide an update in a few days.

I think this project really needed a few early bird spots to get things moving, I know that a lot of people hate them but they do create a massive momentum a lot of the time.

It's official

New pledge levels and add-ons in response to your requests!

2 new pledge levels

SNAFU- includes SNAFU, Exclusive Gretel figure (plastic), and applicable freebies/upgrades (per Double Feature), shipped to your door in the USA.

$60 +$30 shippingoutside USA

OG in Plastic-just like Metalhead, but in plastic.

$65 + $30 shipping outside USA

Buckets of Blood allows switch of Exclusives to metal if you want that for some reason. Can't change the language of the pledge level but this is official.

New add-ons:

SNAFU $60. Add $30 for shipping outside USA

APE Set- Ape set from Incursion in plastic. No cards. $25

Incursion core figures- Ape set plus Gretel, Ilsa, Hans, 2x Bomberzombie, Blitzhund in plastic. No cards. $40

SNAFU core figures- MI-13 set including Gracie, Panzeraffe, Drohne, Bazooka APE in plastic. No cards $40

Aeneades wrote:
From the recent comments it looks like they are investigating possible options and should be able to provide an update in a few days.

I think this project really needed a few early bird spots to get things moving, I know that a lot of people hate them but they do create a massive momentum a lot of the time.

I'm actually suprised that this didn't fund in the first few hours. I had expected it to run alot like a CMoN campaign but it doesn't seem to be.

For me the value just isn't currently there... And thats coming from someone who doesn't have to pay outrageous shipping and import fees.

I agree - it is moving at a good clip and will definitely fund, but the whole murky "value" thing isn't there - or at least, not there in a way to really whip this one into a frenzy.

And...that's probably OK!

The Grindhouse guys seem pretty smart to me, and probably know what they can and cannot do.

I would love for this one to go absolutely nuts, light a fire under West Wind and get SoTR2 going faster but...we'll see!

They had me as soon as I saw a plastic "MI-13 Gracie"!

 Alpharius wrote:
I agree - it is moving at a good clip and will definitely fund, but the whole murky "value" thing isn't there - or at least, not there in a way to really whip this one into a frenzy.

And...that's probably OK!

The Grindhouse guys seem pretty smart to me, and probably know what they can and cannot do.

I would love for this one to go absolutely nuts, light a fire under West Wind and get SoTR2 going faster but...we'll see!

They had me as soon as I saw a plastic "MI-13 Gracie"!

I wasn't trying to make it sound like I wasn't expecting it too fund...

It was more along the lines of... I had expected for them to try and go for alot of pledges early in the campaign before they have to put up with CMoN's Wraith of Kings KS which will be launching during Gencon.

I'm actually fine with the slower pace. Too many games that have been up lately seem to go at breakneck speeds and wind up really catching the company off guard.

It seems like the value will start coming in once stretch goals get hit. Most of those goals seem to add freebie figures to the assortment, so it'll be there. Just not yet.

No worries - I was basically agreeing with you!

And, yeah, that's a concern - Wrath of Kings!

I didn't realize it was launching that soon.

I won't be pledging for it, but to hear cincydooley talk, the rest of the world will be!

 Barzam wrote:
I'm actually fine with the slower pace. Too many games that have been up lately seem to go at breakneck speeds and wind up really catching the company off guard.
It seems like the value will start coming in once stretch goals get hit. Most of those goals seem to add freebie figures to the assortment, so it'll be there. Just not yet.

Not really. The freebies are simply extras of the existing plastic minis, but in very small numbers. One plastic zombie here. Three plastic zombies there. One Ape. Two Brits, and so forth. Add to that paying the full retail price in a KS a year in advance and the large international shipping cost.. honestly, looking through the stretch goal list, I don't see anything in this Kickstarter that gets me excited to be involved. Ordinarily that wouldn't be a problem, and I'd happily buy it at retail, but since that's apparently not going to be a real option for those of us outside the US due to their stance on distributors...

It'll definitely fund, but I can't see it reaching even close to the million-dollar mark they've got listed there.

And that's a bad thing?

Ask Studio McVey if they think Sedition Wars was a "success". It brought in huge numbers from kickstarter with lots and lots of free stuff, but had tons of complaints on the back end largely because the campaign became too big.

If the Incurson campain funds for just a penny over the goal, with just 500 backers then that's fine with me. I have confidence that Grindhouse set the funding goal at a realistic level and a smaller print run should make it easier to stick to the published schedule and meet quality expectations.

If value is driven only by the number of figures in the box, then yes Incursion won't measure up to CMON kickstarters, but I believe that there's more to games than a bucket of figures.