[Official] Grindhouse Games to re-release Incursion

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**wilycoyote**

I am really hoping the next update - probably tonight - is going to give us some good news over the shiipping/customs issue. Hopefully Jima nd John have sorted out a distributor so the potentilal extra costs will now be banished and we get a real pick up from here.

There was another tidbit hinting at something for the UK - fingers crossed about this as well.

As for the freebies etc I believe the issue is simply that apart from the odd couple of figures, there is no scope for some silly giveaway seen in some other KS's of late - most of which seem to be almost buy one get one free. Once you are in a Buckets of Blood level you really need no more figures.

Be nice therefore if the plastic doors option was bumped earlier into the list, maybe to be included with the Incursion set and then as possible add ons etc. if the money is there. Likewise the Objectives set .

All in al,l I think this is what it is, a carefully managed KS from a couple of blokes who want to get their game rebooted and out there, but know their limitations

In my view, Grindhouse are one of the best games companies out there in terms of support and listening to their customer base. As this goes forward, unlike some other KS's I have been in for, I expect little tweaks to try and give us the best value they possibly can.

**Azazelx**

rwwin wrote:
And that's a bad thing?
Ask Studio McVey if they think Sedition Wars was a "success". It brought in huge numbers from kickstarter with lots and lots of free stuff, but had tons of complaints on the back end largely because the campaign became too big.
If the Incurson campain funds for just a penny over the goal, with just 500 backers then that's fine with me. I have confidence that Grindhouse set the funding goal at a realistic level and a smaller print run should make it easier to stick to the published schedule and meet quality expectations.
If value is driven only by the number of figures in the box, then yes Incursion won't measure up to CMON kickstarters, but I believe that there's more to games than a bucket of figures.

Well, they're the ones with the million-plus dollars of stretch goals on the KS page.

If they didn't want to play the stretch-goal game, they could have just left it with a simple funding goal with a statement of "this is it, we don't want to overextend ourselves" and not loaded the page with stretch goals in the obvious hope that they'd like to get a million bucks and more. Skip all the BS ones adding one zombie, or two zombies and go straight for the actual game improvements, like the plastic doors and extra zombie sculpts. Or adding the objectives into the base game box. (If the full base game is @$75k, plastic doors could be at $100 or $150k, I'm sure.) Since they've decided to play the stretch-goal game, they'll naturally be compared to the other big campaigns, which naturally includes the CMON ones.

But here's the thing.

There's also a huge difference between going crazy with it, overextending yourself like CMON/Sedition Wars did and offering something reasonable. If you want my money a year in advance, there needs to be a payoff. There's quite a few options for sweetening a KS. It might be getting a set of 20 or so "free" zombies (once the moulds are made, the production costs per unit aren't huge). It might simply be getting a reasonable discount rather than paying full RRP (plus shipping) a year+ out.

But as I said, if they weren't eschewing distributors, I'd be happy to just buy the finished retail product next Christmas when it comes out. (How is that a bad thing?) Since they've decided to sell the game direct-only, both to consumers and to retailers, it means that no overseas retailer in their right mind will be ordering from them direct, based on the shipping costs alone. Which means they've decided to restrict their market to US-only (and possibly UK/parts of Europe, if West Wind Step in). As I also said before, their choices here make this game, if I were to go in on the KS, the most expensive boardgame+expack I would own, barring only GW boardgames with AU prices.

I mean, I've got Incursion and SNAFU in their current forms. I've got a few West Wind figures to use with it, and when Maelstrom fethed me over, I picked up a pile of DUST tactics armoured allies to use as APE suits, Warlord Brits to double-duty, DUST Zombies (and Studio Miniatures Nazi Zombies), the Reaper miniatures Gun-Gorilla (and now Bones versions). I don't actually need any of the stuff in the KS, but I'd like to buy it anyway. While the KS setup doesn't appeal, their retail plan seems all kinds of messed up - which is a bit frustrating.

**Catyrpelius**

Looking at it in terms of numbers....

The first day saw effectively 261 backers. Yesterday they had 45 backers....

So apparently those of us talking about value aren't alone.

Where is everyone seeing that this won't be available through distributers? I can't seem to find it in the kickstarter campaign.

**stormwell**

Catyrpelius wrote:
Looking at it in terms of numbers....

The first day saw effectively 261 backers. Yesterday they had 45 backers....

So apparently those of us talking about value aren't alone.

Where is everyone seeing that this won't be available through distributers? I can't seem to find it in the kickstarter campaign.

It was mentioned earlier in the thread and posted on their FB page (30th July), but I'll quote it.

Incursion will not be offered through big distribution this time around. We're not playing that game anymore. It's a broken system that just crushes the little guy. We will also not be offering this up through discount online retailers of any kind so that they can undercut the community-building retailers who do want to carry our game.

Incursion will be available from select brick and mortar retailers, West Wind, our online store, and from us at conventions and stuff. We do not plan to produce very many more copies than we need as pledge rewards. Again, not playing that game. The goal of this campaign is to get the game with as many freebies as possible into the hands of as many fans as possible, not having to buy a forklift to manage a warehouse full of stock that we're making pennies a copy on.

We will be creating a special Brick and Mortar pledge level. A pledge by a qualified business will gain that business limited access to all exclusive items in the campaign. If you want your local store to carry Incursion, you'd best start bugging them now.
You want Incursion? Best get ready for the Kickstarter because it's not going to show up out there in the discount stores.

Incursion retail price: $100
SNAFU retail price: $60

Though I have to admit that I'm very disappointed that they haven't offered any of the new minis on their own, I would like to get the MI-13 flamethrower guy but I'm not prepared to commit £100 to get him and half a dozen other minis.

**Catyrpelius**

stormwell wrote:
Catyrpelius wrote:
Looking at it in terms of numbers....

The first day saw effectively 261 backers. Yesterday they had 45 backers....

So apparently those of us talking about value aren't alone.

Where is everyone seeing that this won't be available through distributers? I can't seem to find it in the kickstarter campaign.

It was mentioned earlier in the thread and posted on their FB page (30th July), but I'll quote it.

Incursion will not be offered through big distribution this time around. We're not playing that game anymore. It's a broken system that just crushes the little guy. We will also not be offering this up through discount online retailers of any kind so that they can undercut the community-building retailers who do want to carry our game.

Incursion will be available from select brick and mortar retailers, West Wind, our online store, and from us at conventions and stuff. We do not plan to produce very many more copies than we need as pledge rewards. Again, not playing that game. The goal of this campaign is to get the game with as many freebies as possible into the hands of as many fans as possible, not having to buy a forklift to manage a warehouse full of stock that we're making pennies a copy on.

We will be creating a special Brick and Mortar pledge level. A pledge by a qualified business will gain that business limited access to all exclusive items in the campaign. If you want your local store to carry Incursion, you'd best start bugging them now.
You want Incursion? Best get ready for the Kickstarter because it's not going to show up out there in the discount stores.

Incursion retail price: $100
SNAFU retail price: $60

Though I have to admit that I'm very disappointed that they haven't offered any of the new minis on their own, I would like to get the MI-13 flamethrower guy but I'm not prepared to commit £100 to get him and half a dozen other minis.

They just lost my pledge...

**robertsjf**

Latest news:
European fulfillment! Done deal! We just came to an agreement with West Wind in the UK. Alas, between customs fees, import duties , VAT, courier fees, and West Wind's handling fees and overhead, we can't offer a discount on international shipping but you pay NO CUSTOMS DUTIES! We take a hit but it's not too bad. We can live with it. Can y'all help us get the word out?

Game Play video: Okay, okay! We hear you. We're working on one. It'll probably take us a week or so but hang tough. It's coming.

Multiple Pledge levels: pledge as many times as you want at any level you want by adding to your pledge amount. You'll get the stretches for all levels you pledge at. International shipping needs to only be added once, no matter how many different base pledge levels you want. You will notice that it is possible to pledge at SNAFU and Grinder and get more stuff than at Double Feature. This is a hole in the system created by our desire to more fully serve existing fans and our inability to modify existing pledge levels once they are active. We hope you will work with us and just pledge what you need. We will not stop you from pledging whatever you want (or even judge you) but we're hoping you understand.

Pledge Calculator: We're working on one! Again, it may take some time but it's coming.

Alternate t-shirts and add-on dice: When we get to 600 backers, we'll do an alternate t-shirt design. Maybe a poll or something. Haven't decided yet. We'll also put up the special dice as an add-on.

Awesomeness: Sturmzombie packaging: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=608778479145346&set=pb.139536469402885.-2207520000.1375576631.&type=3&theater

**wilycoyote**

This is great news , now I do not have to worry about any additionall costs.

I my opinion the gameplay video is a must to help attract new players, but (I know you and Jim are already hard at it in these early parts of the KS) perhaps more info about the game and how it plays could be added to the front page of the KS as well?

I followed Grindhouse for a long time and I do not see why people are so up tight about your decision for distribution. Big companies like GW, CMoT and the like can afford to produce a lot of possibly redundant copies, that end as online discounts. I can see that on a small scale you need to make every penny count and in the end we benefit as it keeps you in the game alive for possible enhancements or expansions.

**Haight**

I might actually fund this.

Both Incursion and SotR:1949 were great, under-appreciated games. Hell i still have my SOTR books.

Hope this succeeds.

**Alpharius**

Update #3!

Project Update #3: Almost to 75
Posted by Jim Bailey Like

Looks like we're about to fund! I'm certain we could have done it sooner with early bird specials but we just don't roll that way. In a setup like this, everyone should have equal access to the same deal in our opinion. Anyway, let's make it happen, folks!

We will likely be restructuring the stretch goals. I believe we can get everything you guys see in the current spread in a much smaller number, with some serious compression at the pointy end. Been running numbers all weekend. It's a squeaker but I think it will work. John and I need some more time to work through this but before we deploy but I can comfortably say that the first stretch goal (Blitzhund and card) is going to hit at 80k :-)

A note on the stretches involving figure freebies: these are not just random free figures. If you are pledged at Buckets of Blood or Double Feature, the freebies we've laid out in the campaign will give you just about every possible option under the Requisition Point system. It won't handle crazy stuff like 100% MI-13 trooper build-outs but in general, it's a very carefully considered mix to maximize the potential of your games. That said, what comes in the base games is adequate for all but the most hardcore completists...

Roll of Honor! - thanks Jim Slade for a killer idea. We've had a long hard road over the course of years to get us to where we are today. Every one of you that participates in this campaign is doing exactly what Kickstarter was built to do: helping bring a deserving project to fruition. Many of you could care less what freebies there are or how much this bit or that bit is discounted. You, like us, just need to see this project through in its ultimate incarnation. Everyone who participates in this Kickstarter will have their names wrought in a roll of honor within the new Incursion rulebook as a small token of our sincerest thanks. Since we're now all in this together, it's only fitting...

Thank you,

Jim Bailey and John Roberts

**cincydooley**

Alpharius wrote:
Update #3!

!
. Many of you could care less what freebies there are or how much this bit or that bit is discounted. You, like us, just need to see this project through in its ultimate incarnation.

I had a healthy chuckle at this.

**Alpharius**

Don't underestimate the power of wishful thinking!

All kidding aside though, I really do want whatever has to happen to get SoTR2 moving faster!

**wilycoyote**

Funded and now with a more achievable stretch goal list. This with changes to customs costs and the promise of a gameplay video should keep this ticking alomg.

I love the intention to field plastic Para Drop armour, even if funding them seems a mile off, as it makes me think plans to reboot SOTR are not far off as well

**doc1234**

Alpharius wrote:
Update #3!

A note on the stretches involving figure freebies: these are not just random free figures. If you are pledged at Buckets of Blood or Double Feature, the freebies we've laid out in the campaign will give you just about every possible option under the Requisition Point system. It won't handle crazy stuff like 100% MI-13 trooper build-outs but in general, it's a very carefully considered mix to maximize the potential of your games. That said, what comes in the base games is adequate for all but the most hardcore completists...

So what was considered part of the "core" set in the V1 is now just extra for completionists? Much as I like Incursion, putting things that used to be part of the core set in at stretch goals and trying to convince people they're lucky to be getting them (ok overstatement but you see my point) rather rubs me the wrong way.

**CptJake**

doc1234 wrote:
Alpharius wrote:
Update #3!

A note on the stretches involving figure freebies: these are not just random free figures. If you are pledged at Buckets of Blood or Double Feature, the freebies we've laid out in the campaign will give you just about every possible option under the Requisition Point system. It won't handle crazy stuff like 100% MI-13 trooper build-outs but in general, it's a very carefully considered mix to maximize the potential of your games. That said, what comes in the base games is adequate for all but the most hardcore completists...

So what was considered part of the "core" set in the V1 is now just extra for completionists? Much as I like Incursion, putting things that used to be part of the core set in at stretch goals and trying to convince people they're lucky to be getting them (ok overstatement but you see my point) rather rubs me the wrong way.

Compared to the metal sets they sold, the base plastics match. The cardboard stand ups allowed more options/had more iterations of each piece type, but if you bought the figure sets you got the basics... Unless you shelled out more for extras. I assume they are comparing the metal figure sets to what will now be included as plastic.

**cincydooley**

I hate reshuffling of stretch goals like this because It makes it blatantly obvious that the actual costs of production have nothing to do with the stretch goals. I mean, at least maintain that facade......

**Thatguyoverthere**

cincydooley wrote:
I hate reshuffling of stretch goals like this because It makes it blatantly obvious that the actual costs of production have nothing to do with the stretch goals. I mean, at least maintain that facade......

I don't mind so much if there reshuffled down.

**Bolognesus**

Given the rather huge up-front one time component to the 'cost' of a board game with plastic components such as these, the actual 'cost' per unit is so dependent on the amount of units sold that just adding or removing a few models from the box set won't come close to keeping the price/cost ratio constant anyway.

Given the amount of components I'm guessing they're actually not making much of a profit if this project only just goes over the funding goal - actually, they'd probably be taking a loss (or everything I know about the cost of PVC tooling and printing etc is a bit outdated - certainly possible!

) on the project. If this goes well, they'll probably turn a nice profit (since with a lot of these added models being duplicates, there's relatively little additional investment in tooling to be made) - but really, if the project does well would you have a problem with that?

Price and cost rarely have much of a direct relationship by the time a product hits consumer sales. With KS taking away some of the investment risk involved in bringing a product to market without pre-selling a single copy a somewhat closer relationship could be attained but the more complex a product becomes, the harder that will still get.
...Board games aren't exactly the simplest of things to produce, so figure it out

It's generally a good thing though: it incentivizes providing good value (or simply noone will buy the product) and rewards popular products especially when the upfront was big but marginal costs are low.
I can understand you like to get value for your money but I prefer to see folks I'm giving a wad of cash almost a year before receiving product to show some basic market acumen, TBH.

I was on the brink of pulling my pledge when I though it started becoming obvious they didn't, but I'm quite happy now.
Haven't had the time to look at the new stretch track yet but actually handling EU shipping OK is encouraging.
Still rather turned off by the obstinate anti-distribution attitude but I like most of what I see atm.

With regards to SotTR, did that use the same models as Incursion? What kind of model count are we talking there? Don't know the game but have heard good things; could be interested.

**cincydooley**

Bolognesus wrote:
but really, if the project does well would you have a problem with that?
.

Oh no, of course not. I hope it does well. It just seems a bit dishonest to me, that's all, even though I know it probably isnt.

**Bolognesus**

...Meh. It's actually nigh impossible to do what you seem to qualify as 'honest' with a project such as this one. Just try to write up (even a very much simplified) business plan for something like this, it doesn't scale evenly enough.

Of course, once it really takes off and you can add a single mini every now and then it actually scales quite predictably but as long as they're still in 'actually losing money on this' ground, which I'm guessing right now they are, it's a mess. Basically what they have to do is do anything which pulls them out of the red as fast as possible, as cheap as possible. There's no fixed cost to that, mainly because it depends on customer response for a large part. That's something you can only measure once the project goes live and I think they've just shuffled stuff around to respond to an unexpected market response, again just to pull this out of the red ASAP.

Actually going for conservative stretches initally wasn't a bad idea - they want to have enough room in the marginal cost per unit to keep adding stuff for a long while during the KS and if this had exploded CMoN KS style they wouldn't have had the room to do that after a short while.
Remember, with such a large one-time cost to a lot of the components having as many backers as possible will actually, in all likelyhood, directly make the game better for you as well (more backers, more stuff) so *everything* they do now is aimed at keeping the hype up as much as they possibly can.

Producing something like this just isn't anywhere near as simple as your gut feeling seems to be adjusted for

- no offence

**Lord GreyWolf**

Ok just spent a little while reading all 10 pages of comments and lets just say it was interesting.

One comment I will make regarding the change of the goals which IMHO was corrected due to comments on the KS comments page about there being NO MYSTERY...

all those planned goals up to 1Mil did not give us anything to aim for so the lads [Jim & John] actually listened unlike some other KS creators and altered the stretch goals to make it obtainable for starters and then leave some mystery for us.

I certainly see NO dodgy dealing in this KS; been on a few KS that had no updates, or were months apart. I have even left a few KS projects due to NO Transparency and a lack of Communication from creator to backers.

I am in for $195USD [$260NZD] and I don't think its to much for what I am getting I have spent more on Zombicide. Yes We got a bucket load of stuff with Zombicide but not all KS projects need to do this. I left Dreadball, Sedition Wars, and a few others due to the "Over abundance of stuff". I felt like they were adding stuff just for the sack of adding stuff. and IMHO it was getting out of hand. For those who think I am whining about free stuff....I AM NOPE...its more about do we NEED those free stuff or is merely a plastic bribe [that sits on my shelf and never gets used due to lame arse rushed rules for that mini.]

I've made comments about enhancing the base game before we get alternate sculpts of more Zombies, but time will tell if we this reflected in the goals but at the moment I am very happy with Grindhouse games and Incursion.

Cheers
LGW

**wilycoyote**

I echp that Lord Greywolf, I have always found Grindhouse honest and up front and to be fair we are not talking about a big set up here who have had a lot of experience with KS's. IMHO they started a bit naively and certainly cautiously. AS LG says they listen, they redid the sums and came up with something better.

I suspect the target funding covers a lot of the initial production costs, the next chunk of money will likely be towards the plastic doors, objectives and the German para drop armour (long way off for these though) so isn't that what a KS is for?

AS for cheating on content from the original, the only difference is Incursion v1 gave you an extra Blitzhund and Bomberzombie cardboard standee, not a lot of difference really (oh the two Drohne standees were there as well but no rules till SNAFU) - if you went out and got the metal swd set you still had to buy that extra Blitzhund, (as well as the 24-30 zombies).

SNAFU was even worse no minis or markers tokens just the book and cut outs if you wanted. A second bpard was a separate purchase - I found better value buying a second box of Incursion itself.

So from a old player of the game it still looks like - at least to me - great value, especially if you consider the new mini pack.

**bbb**

Funding reached. Good job.

**Alpharius**

Update time!

Oi! Lissen up!
Update #4 · Aug 6, 2013 · comment

Okay, bear with me. I'll try to be brief but we have lots of topics to update you on.

For starters, not only did we fund yesterday but we just rocked right on through stretch goal #1 and we're almost halfway to #2, today. Free puppies for everyone! It was soooo much fun to put the "funded" stamp on the Blitzhund.

We have posted five Kickstarter Backer icons on the home page. Scroll on down past the stretches to check them out. You'll find Gretel, Slugger, Bomberzombie, Panzeraffe, and Paddy.

We have also posted the 1st. edition of the Incursion rulebook (including all the background and missions) on the home page plus the original 2009 versions in French and Spanish. Pass it on!

When we hit 600 backers we will do two things: put up all three sets of special dice as add-ons and provide a second t-shirt option. The t-shirt option may be a poll of some sort. We're still working through just how to prosecute that.

Many of you have been asking for new missions as stretches. It seems like lots of people want solo missions (and multi-play). We'll think about the idea of missions as stretches. What we ARE doing right now is developing a solo mission that will be presented for group playtesting during this Kickstarter. If you don't own Incursion, no worries. We're developing a complete print-and-play mini package so you can also participate in the fun! Stay tuned. Peter Bogdasarian and John Roberts are hard at work on the mechanics.

Game play video still underway as is pledge calculator.

Finally, to our OG fans: while we clearly nailed it on the head for many of you, it appears we may have miscommunicated or even missed the boat entirely as far as some of you are concerned. There has been a most engaging discussion since the beginning of the campaign about how best to serve you given the complexity of previous releases. John and I intend to write a detailed flow chart that describes how each of you that have participated at various levels over the years can benefit from this campaign. This includes necessarily, some modification of the entry levels of the campaign itself. Can I cuss here? Just to be on the safe side... No f_cking around. There is absolutely no reason any person who has spent money on any version of the game should not benefit from this Kickstarter. We exist because of our fans. Period.

In closing, John and I just want to thank you all. We really can't say this enough. This is all incredible! We are funded and we are going to plastic, people! Incursion LIVES! Now let's get on down the road and unlock some more stuff.

Jim Bailey and John Roberts

**Azazelx**

wilycoyote wrote:

I followed Grindhouse for a long time and I do not see why people are so up tight about your decision for distribution. Big companies like GW, CMoT and the like can afford to produce a lot of possibly redundant copies, that end as online discounts. I can see that on a small scale you need to make every penny count and in the end we benefit as it keeps you in the game alive for possible enhancements or expansions.

The distribution thing is an issue because it feths over non-US retailers by forcing them to buy direct from GH in the US, paying a ton in international shipping rather then buying a variety of product from various manufacturers from a local distribution source with bulk economical shipping costs. It especially feths over small places like my FLGS who really only stock one or two of new product because they're a small store and can only afford to stock a couple of anything (even Flames of War/GW stuff) since they can order most product and have it in stock within a few days, thanks to (drumroll) their distributors. Their model might work within the US, and possibly within the UK via West Wind, but everyone else gets the pointy end of the stick.

**Lord GreyWolf**

@Azazelx I understand where your coming from as I am In New Zealand I get that this is an issue.

For me I do not have a FLGS in my town closes one is and hour away next one 1 and a half hour and if I want to go some where that has more options and range then its over 2 hours drive.

for me I buy from online stores and after this Kickstarter ends I am planing on doing direct orders to GH or West Wind depending on what minis I am after.
Paying high postage is part of living so far away from those countries that make these awesome games. \

But for me I also see the bigger picture and completely understand why GH are doing what they are doing.

LGW

**Panic**

yeah,
Huzzah!! - No UK customs or surprise postage fees!

I'm in $155.00 for the core game and an extra pack of zombies plus shipping (grumble grumble)

I have one recommendation regarding the extra grunt stretch goals.
The cores set already has 4 basic grunt apes... These goals might be more tempting if they were extra HMG, Flamer or Bazooka apes as this would enable more varied squad building.

Panic...

**Azazelx**

Lord GreyWolf wrote:
@Azazelx I understand where your coming from as I am In New Zealand I get that this is an issue.

For me I do not have a FLGS in my town closes one is and hour away next one 1 and a half hour and if I want to go some where that has more options and range then its over 2 hours drive.

for me I buy from online stores and after this Kickstarter ends I am planing on doing direct orders to GH or West Wind depending on what minis I am after.
Paying high postage is part of living so far away from those countries that make these awesome games. \

But for me I also see the bigger picture and completely understand why GH are doing what they are doing.
LGW

I do see the "bigger picture", but I don't think GH do - outside of their local niche of being located in the US, at least. They talk a good game about wanting to support retailers, but outside of the US, it just doesn't work. (not sure what it's like within the US). Out our way, the local "online discounters" merely serve to give us parity with international prices, without being hit for $30-50 worth of additional USPS charges. Asking retailers (who usually survive by being on 30-60-90 day terms) to pay them a year in advance for product is also a bit rich. They're basically just banking on a fanbase who is happy to pay whatever is asked without asking questions.

We're not far apart geographically (compared to ROW), and I buy from online stores as well, though I try to buy from local ones whenever possible (Games Empire) as long as they're competitive with overseas prices. It saves on shipping for boxed games pretty significantly. Since you're in NZ, have you looked at mightyape.co.nz for stuff? After a quick browse, I see they stock Fantasy Flight Games, Flying Frog (Last Night on Earth), Mantic, Steve Jackson Games (Munchkin), Twilight Creations (Zombies!!!), Mayfair (Catan) and apparently a lot more. Probably save you a packet on shipping, since they have always had flat rate on stuff I've bought from them. Actually, I might have to look at them myself for board games and such from time to time.

Anyway, my FLGS takes me the better part of 45mins to get to, and it's about an hour to get into town for places like Good Games/Mind Games/etc, so it's not that far removed for you to get to Auckland and the stores there, though I dunno what your local FLGS prices are like (I can guess what most will be like from my own local experiences), so maybe you're better off with Mighty Ape et al.

FWIW I found your post on BGG slagging Dakka to be wryly amusing. I'm glad you post here in a more relaxed manner.

**Lord GreyWolf**

@Azazelx <evil grin> I did spend time reading the posts on here and just amazed at some of the comments. some were bang on others were very critical and some even a bit over the top...
I guess we are a bit more conservative here in NZ and don't really voice our true opinions much [tall-poppy syndrome]

I have looked at mighty ape but I found their prices expensive and when ever I wanted to buy some thing they were out of stock must have been just my bad luck.

But your right if I do buy from my local FLGS I can guarantee that I will be paying A LOT more retail price then say some one in the U.K or U.S.

but thank fully I do not buy/play/use any GW stuff....

FWIW I found your post on BGG slagging Dakka to be wryly amusing. I'm glad you post here in a more relaxed manner.

I never slagged the DakkaDakka site I love this place when I do come on here there are awesome galleries and threads but I was really surprised at the COMMENTS on here regarding the Incursion game. I even took alot of what was said here and made comments onto the KS project. So Jim and John have been working on a new pledge level regarding those who own the Incursion game and just need the plastic minis etc...

Creator Jim Bailey about 8 hours ago
Straw poll. New pledge level: Ala carte
Ala Carte-
Choose any add-ons in any quantity. $10 shipping within USA, $40 outside of USA.
If the total amount of your pledge is $40 or more, you get the (Gretel icon) stretch goals.
If the total amount of your pledge is $60 or more, you get the (Panzeraffe icon) stretch goals, free shipping in the USA and $30 shipping outside the USA.
(and yes, Gretel exclusive and SNAFU resources would become add-ons)
Thoughts?

NB: i noticed the two different postage costs its not clear so have just asked Jim which one it is or if:
Gretel Ala Carte = $10 shipping within USA, $40 outside of USA
Panzeraffe Ala Carte = free shipping in the USA and $30 shipping outside the USA.

once I get an annswer I'll post it here.

So if you want to give them some feed back go on there pledge for $1 and let them know or even send them a private message. politely express your feelings/views remember we are adults [yes i know we play with toys/small soldiers and tanks] but you can't expect them to read every forum/post they got heaps just on the KS project comments page to read and answer.

LGW

**Taarnak**

Azazelx wrote:

I do see the "bigger picture", but I don't think GH do - outside of their local niche of being located in the US, at least. They talk a good game about wanting to support retailers, but outside of the US, it just doesn't work. (not sure what it's like within the US).

It likely will not work like they say here either.

As I mentioned before, I have no local game store, friendly or otherwise. So, not only can I not pick this up outside of the KS, Grindhouse have effectively forced me to subsidize other peoples' LGSs by not allowing me to purchase it online at a discount (or at all, really). That coupled with the tantrum-like tone of the post announcing this news turned me off completely. I know this is kind of an extreme view. And to everyone whose answer was "Just buy it from Grindhouse directly, or via the KS": You are not thinking beyond yourselves. There is a bigger picture.

And now we have the readjusted stretch goals...

I can actually understand why they want to cut out distributors, I really do (although, prior to Azazelx posting, I didn't think of what issues that would cause), but the no online/no discount policy seems to be stepping over a dollar to pick up a dime. If they really want to support stores, they could do retailer only specials like tournament packs or early release items (kinda like FFG did with X-Wing). I'm sure there are other ideas/ways they could support brick and mortar stores without cutting out online sales.

To put it in perspective a bit: Most of us seem to hate GW for this attitude/policy, but there seems to be plenty of support for Grindhouse. Odd, that...

What people (stores) do with a product after they have purchased it is none of the seller's (manufacturer's) business. Period.

Azazelx wrote:

FWIW I found your post on BGG slagging Dakka to be wryly amusing. I'm glad you post here in a more relaxed manner.

Got a link?

Still not seeing the value in this KS. I have a friend who really wants to buy in, but I cannot yet recommend he do so. And I really want to change my mind, but I just can't yet.

~Eric

Edit: Formatting

**robertsjf**

Latest update:

The outbreak from within the rock is spreading. Allied forces are succumbing to the infection at a steady but alarming rate. We stop most of the u-boat infiltration with aggressive destroyer patrols but the sky is still contested. The up-gunned ME-262 jets are outperforming our Sabres and the ack-ack is ineffective. I fear the enemy will attempt airborne reinforcement.

ABWEHR INTERCEPT- transmission from USS Lexington, straits of Gibraltar, prior to its sinking

Hey gang!Time for another State of the Incursion address. It's been a fantastic week. We have fought our way through two stretch goals and are well on the way to a third. We've compressed them a bit more because it's so much fun to hit them. We're only going to be able to compress the reinforcements though. Any real new stuff needs to wait until we get on to 155k and beyond. At this rate, we'll tear it up. Thanks to all of you, we're doing great!

Hard news:

We have uploaded our pledge manager version 1.0. You can get it by clicking on the banner on the home page or the link below. It's a work in progress but we think it clarifies things substantially. Please take a few moments to read through it and calculate what your pledge amount should be! There are lots of little clarifications throughout. We'll be tweaking the format and adding imagery as we go.

http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0022/6852/files/pledge_calculator.xlsx?100

Ala carte! As promised, new pledge level for 1st. ed. owners that wish to pick and choose components. Go get some! Start with the brand spankin' new pledge manager. Read it carefully please. We still owe you a narrative describing your options. That's coming this weekend. The language in the pledge manager should do for the majority of you though.

Demo video- we have the studio time booked for Sunday afternoon. Should have it ready mid next week.

T-shirt stuff. We will be offering an option to have the logo on the front and the Bomberzombie image on the back. Maybe we just reverse them all like that? Let us know your thoughts. Furthermore, Buckets of Blood pledges may swap their t-shirt for a second set of Sturmzombies. That's official.

Rosie- the sculpt will be an action pose of some sort rather than the seated pose, by unanimous consent it seems! John Allison will do some sketches.